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"If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon." - Obama. What the MSM isn't telling you.

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posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by TsukiLunar
reply to post by MrWendal
 


I hooked up my good speakers to my comp just to make sure. And, like every other time i have watched it, I hear him say "coon". He may have said something else, but that is what i am hearing.


And by the way about your "good speakers", I work in audio and have professional industry rated $2000 Mackie studio monitors I'm listening to it on so that sort of trumps whatever you're listening on. And I hear the word "PUNKS" most clearly in the cleaned up audio version not "COONS"




posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 04:19 PM
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Everyone on this post should read Trayvan Slimm Martin's facebook wall....

I can't count the times they said...RIP Nigga....

Maybe they should have some respect for themselves too...

It is wrong this kid had to die, but it also wrong to jump to race crime without all the facts...no of this is doing anyone any good.

By the way...the police did say Zimmerman was bleeding from his nose and was covered in grass on his back and was wet...any of that matter? The neighborhood has had numerous breakins and Zimmerman was watching an individual that was suspicious to him....an argument can be made for both sides....but argue the crimes not the colors.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 04:20 PM
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reply to post by rufusdrak
 


I don't know what to tell you. I can not hear punks. Sorry for hearing something else then.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 04:20 PM
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Originally posted by MrWendal

Originally posted by rufusdrak
It is you that obviously have no understanding of American law. It's the same for a bouncer in a club they are allowed to escort out and subdue but not beat someone to a bloody pulp, for instance use strikes to the face etc. You're really reaching and it's only exposing your ignorance on the matter.


Wrong again. A Bouncer in a club can escort someone out without touching them. If they touch the customer without provocation, it is assault by the Bouncer. If the customer attempts to assault the Bouncer, the Bouncer than has legal rights to defend himself with an appropriate level of force. The reason a Bouncer can not beat you to a bloody pulp is because at some point it no longer is a case of self defense. Self Defense (since you missed it the first time), is using the appropriate level of force to stop an imminent threat.

Also, your example also brings up the issue of property rights. Which is not applicable in the case we are discussing, but I am sure with your amazing understanding of Law, you knew that already


Exactly you just proved my entire argument right and disproved yourself. You are allowed to use a REASONABLE amount of force which in the court of law quickly becomes UNREASONABLE when you are wailing away at someone's face with your fists while SITTING ON TOP of them. So just as you aptly pointed out, Martin's hypothetical defense has zero possibility of using 'self defense' because at that point when Zimmerman was on the ground beneath him, already had cuts requiring stitches and a broken nose, bleeding profusely on his face, it was no longer a reasonable amount of force that Martin was doling out on him.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 04:21 PM
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Originally posted by rufusdrak
You can't clearly hear a "P" being enunciated? Listen to it again but clear your mind of your premade notions which is why you're hearing the word "Coon" and listen for "PUNK" or "PUNKS"



No... there is literally no P whatsoever

It's either coons, C*nts or cops



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 04:22 PM
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Zimmerman's lawyer: 'Stand your ground' doesn't apply in Trayvon Martin case



www.cnn.com...

A lawyer for the man at the center of the Trayvon Martin death investigation said Florida's "stand your ground" law doesn't apply to the shooting that killed the unarmed teen.

"In my legal opinion, that's not really applicable to this case. The statute on 'stand your ground' is primarily when you're in your house," said Craig Sonner, attorney for George Zimmerman.
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Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, who signed the "stand your ground" bill into law, said Friday that he does not believe it applies to the case.

"Stand your ground means stand your ground. It doesn't mean chase after somebody who's turned their back,"



The man's own lawyer says stand your ground doesn't apply.

I wonder how many of the ATS legal experts will listen.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 04:23 PM
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Originally posted by TsukiLunar
reply to post by rufusdrak
 


I don't know what to tell you. I can not hear punks. Sorry for hearing something else then.


I can't debate you on that because honestly to me it makes no difference. The only reason it makes a difference what he said to the police is that it changes the level of the hypothetical charges to a 'hate crime' but it makes no difference in terms of the evidence of who did what, the evidence which clearly proves that Martin was attacking Zimmerman (though not necessarily who attacked first).

What I'd be most curious to know is what level of damage if any at all Martin had on his face at the time of death. For instance if he had no marks on his face/body at all this could go a ways towards indicating that Martin attacked first since Zimmerman on the other hand WAS proven to have suffered major damage such as a broken nose and wounds that would have required stitches, etc.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 04:23 PM
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Originally posted by rufusdrak
reply to post by MrWendal
 


He very clearly says "Fu##ing PUNKS" to me. The "P" in the beginning of the word is clearly enunciated (as clear as such things can be that is, relatively speaking).

Listen to it again with the word "punks" in your mind and it becomes very clear


I posted what I posted and as I said in my post, it is for you to decide what was said.

Again, I have no intention of discussing anything related to race on this topic. If that is what you wish to discuss, please address your comments elsewhere.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 04:24 PM
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Zimmerman was the one with the gun, Zimmerman was the one that made the decision to persue Trayvon Martin. Trayvon was unarmed. There was no evidence what so ever that Trayvon was breaking any laws, nothing, he just looked suspicious to Zimmerman.

Had Zimmerman had just stayed put, that boys life would not have been unnecesarrily taken. I'm glad Zimmermans face is planted all over the media, this is the least deserves. He needs fess up or demonstrate exactly why he persue this unarmed kid with a gun, or he needs to demonstrate exactly what threat trayvon posed against him, considering HE had the gun and Trayvon was unarmed.
edit on 24-3-2012 by Southern Guardian because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 04:24 PM
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Originally posted by blupblup

Originally posted by rufusdrak
You can't clearly hear a "P" being enunciated? Listen to it again but clear your mind of your premade notions which is why you're hearing the word "Coon" and listen for "PUNK" or "PUNKS"



No... there is literally no P whatsoever

It's either coons, C*nts or cops



I trust my expert audio ears and professional $2000 studio monitors over your biased judgement based on listening in on crappy $49.99 logitech speakers but that's just me.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 04:24 PM
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There is a difference in meaning here man. I am surprised you don't see it. Nigga, is exclusively used as a term of friendship between two people of African American descent.

Ni***er on the other hand is used as an insult.

Two words can sound similar and have a common root word (negro) but based on context and established use, have different meanings.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 04:26 PM
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Originally posted by Southern Guardian
reply to post by timetothink
 


Zimmerman was the one with the gun, Zimmerman was the one that made the decision to persue Trayvon Martin. Trayvon was unarmed. There was no evidence what so ever that Trayvon was breaking any laws, nothing, he just looked suspicious to Zimmerman.

Had Zimmerman had just stayed put, that boys life would not have been unnecesarrily taken. I'm glad Zimmermans face is planted all over the media, this is the least deserves. He needs fess up or demonstrate exactly why he persue this unarmed kid with a gun, or he needs to demonstrate exactly what threat trayvon posed against him, considering HE had the gun and Trayvon was unarmed.
edit on 24-3-2012 by Southern Guardian because: (no reason given)


He has already 'demonstrated' why he pursued him very clearly: The neighborhood had suffered from breakins recently and Zimmerman was a neighborhood watch captain os that was his duty to pursue suspicious activity and report it to the police, so I'm not sure why that is not clear to you.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 04:26 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Zimmerman's lawyer: 'Stand your ground' doesn't apply in Trayvon Martin case



www.cnn.com...

A lawyer for the man at the center of the Trayvon Martin death investigation said Florida's "stand your ground" law doesn't apply to the shooting that killed the unarmed teen.

"In my legal opinion, that's not really applicable to this case. The statute on 'stand your ground' is primarily when you're in your house," said Craig Sonner, attorney for George Zimmerman.
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Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, who signed the "stand your ground" bill into law, said Friday that he does not believe it applies to the case.

"Stand your ground means stand your ground. It doesn't mean chase after somebody who's turned their back,"



The man's own lawyer says stand your ground doesn't apply.

I wonder how many of the ATS legal experts will listen.


Approximately zero since I posted the same thing on page 22 and people still insisted that the "stand your ground" defense was justified.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by TsukiLunar
reply to post by timetothink
 


There is a difference in meaning here man. I am surprised you don't see it. Nigga, is exclusively used as a term of friendship between two people of African American descent.

Ni***er on the other hand is used as an insult.

Two words can sound similar and have a common root word (negro) but based on context and established use, have different meanings.


"N*gga" is not used "exclusively" as a term of friendship. It is used equally as an aggressive negative term towards an enemy as often as it is used towards a friend so you're wrong here.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 04:28 PM
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He has already 'demonstrated' why he pursued him very clearly: The neighborhood had suffered from breakins recently and Zimmerman was a neighborhood watch captain os that was his duty to pursue suspicious activity and report it to the police, so I'm not sure why that is not clear to you.


What isn't clear to those of us that aren't racist is what made Trayvon look suspicious besides him being black???

Maybe your genius intellect could point this out to us.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 04:29 PM
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Originally posted by TsukiLunar

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Zimmerman's lawyer: 'Stand your ground' doesn't apply in Trayvon Martin case



www.cnn.com...

A lawyer for the man at the center of the Trayvon Martin death investigation said Florida's "stand your ground" law doesn't apply to the shooting that killed the unarmed teen.

"In my legal opinion, that's not really applicable to this case. The statute on 'stand your ground' is primarily when you're in your house," said Craig Sonner, attorney for George Zimmerman.
...
Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, who signed the "stand your ground" bill into law, said Friday that he does not believe it applies to the case.

"Stand your ground means stand your ground. It doesn't mean chase after somebody who's turned their back,"



The man's own lawyer says stand your ground doesn't apply.

I wonder how many of the ATS legal experts will listen.


Approximately zero since I posted the same thing on page 22 and people still insisted that the "stand your ground" defense was justified.


Moot point because 'stand your ground' is not required to kill someone who is attacking you. New York state has no stand your ground law yet a man got off scot free by a jury when he killed an assailant, it's just much harder to do so in other states but you can still do it if you prove the person attacking you was threatening your life which in this case I'd say is the case considering Zimmerman was badly hurt/damaged by Martin's assault.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 04:30 PM
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Anyone read this article?


www.americanthinker.com...


it shows the identical situation having occurred but reversed where the shooter is black and the shooter got off scott free.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 04:31 PM
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Those who've read my posts know where I stand on this issue, those who have not...




  1. Zimmerman was advised to not pursue but did so anyway.
  2. Trayvon attempted to flee when advised by his girlfriend.
  3. Eventually there was a confrontation, where Trayvon may, or may not have had the advantage physically.
  4. Trayvon was shot.
  5. Zimmerman claimed self defense, or stand your ground law.


Now it seems the Black Panthers have put a $10,000 bounty on Zimmerman's head and is actively recruiting 5000 members to search for Zimmerman. This I do not agree with. This will only lead to more tragedy and if the POTUS wanted to become involved, NOW is the time. Try and bring sanity to the situation. They're already bringing in a new D.A. to handle the case, as well as the F.B.I. We are going to find ourselves back in the 60's if something isn't done to bring sanity and let the new investigators handle the case, not more vigilantes. Before someone else gets hurt, please. We already have one death to deal with, do we really need more the satisfy the thirst for blood and vengeance. We don't need that, what was needed was justice. I know, in anger, it's easy to confuse the two. I speak from a "been there, done that" when it comes to vengeance. Vengeance doesn't heal. It only hurts more.

Black Panthers



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by rufusdrak


Exactly you just proved my entire argument right and disproved yourself. You are allowed to use a REASONABLE amount of force which in the court of law quickly becomes UNREASONABLE when you are wailing away at someone's face with your fists while SITTING ON TOP of them. So just as you aptly pointed out, Martin's hypothetical defense has zero possibility of using 'self defense' because at that point when Zimmerman was on the ground beneath him, already had cuts requiring stitches and a broken nose, bleeding profusely on his face, it was no longer a reasonable amount of force that Martin was doling out on him.


Problem #1. My point is that Zimmerman created the chain of events which lead to the death of Martin. Weather or not Martin attacked Zimmerman is irrelevant. Maybe you should go back to my previous post on the topic of involuntary manslaughter for more details.

Problem #2 You are assuming that Martin assaulted Zimmerman. When the truth is, all we know is what position they were in during the confrontation. We do not know what caused the physical part of the confrontation or who was at fault. And again... since you keep missing the point, it is irrelevant to my argument for a case of involuntary manslaughter.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by rufusdrak

Originally posted by TsukiLunar
reply to post by timetothink
 


There is a difference in meaning here man. I am surprised you don't see it. Nigga, is exclusively used as a term of friendship between two people of African American descent.

Ni***er on the other hand is used as an insult.

Two words can sound similar and have a common root word (negro) but based on context and established use, have different meanings.


"N*gga" is not used "exclusively" as a term of friendship. It is used equally as an aggressive negative term towards an enemy as often as it is used towards a friend so you're wrong here.


Kinda like the word "Bro" right? No, nigga is something used to denote friendship. Like the word "bro" it can be used as kind of mocking term"Come at me, bro" or "Come at me, nigga". But the meaning is still the same, but it just isn't being used in a literal fashion. Language can be confusing.



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