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"If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon." - Obama. What the MSM isn't telling you.

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posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 10:19 AM
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posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 10:19 AM
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A stupider comment has never been uttered. Geraldo blaming the clothing the kid was wearing. Like blaming the victim in the mini skirt if she happens to get raped. She was asking for it. He was asking for it. She's a whore, he's a gangsta.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 10:23 AM
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Originally posted by SonoraUndergroundLabs

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by MrWendal
 



Actually it IS normal to walk at night to get skittles and iced tea! I walk to my corner store damn near every single night for anything. A soda. A pack of smokes. A candy bar cause I suddenly got a sweet tooth. Just last night at 3am I walked to the corner store because I was in the mood for ice cream!

Yep.

It is so normal.... That most municipalities have a little ordinance called a CURFEW that keeps minors off the streets at night, unless they are with a parent or guardian. They make such ordinances just to avoid having crap like this happen.


Thank you for bringing up what I've been asking these dim wits for an hour now. If the kid was after curfew it would mean he's breaking the law!!! How hard is that to see people. Then In case Zimmerman tried to detain the truant and the kid took off creating.g more suspicion. But people cannot understand things like that they woe rather see an innocent man burn out of entertainment to their own racial ties.


The so called Dim Wits did answer. Stamford has no curfew. So therefor he was not breaking the law. This is a dead argument. So there was no "truant kid". And even if he was, Zimmerman has absolutely ZERO legal authority to hold anyone. He was neighborhood watch. And to add to that, he wasn't even a legally registered neighborhood watch. So lets just take that out of this case to begin with. Zimmerman was simply a citizen with a license to carry a firearm.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 10:24 AM
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RIGHT and zimmerman is not psychic and how did he KNOW for a fact treyvon did NOT HAVE A GUN OF HIS OWN.. get real..


No you get real. Zimmerman did not know anything about Martin. Thats fine, he should have observed and left it at that.

Instead, he CHASED DOWN Martin and decided to find out, despite the fact that that is not is job and THE PEOPLE have not certified him to do so.

That is wrong.




Treyvon tried to whoop up on the wrong guy that night


What. What? What!? WHAT!? After being chased and fleeing from a armed vigilante, its Martin who made the mistake of trying to defend himself?




Treyvon was very capable of having a gun and making zimmerman fear for his life


Martin did not have a gun. And even if he did it would not be Zimmerman problem unless, say, Zimmerman chased him down and confronted him. Your point is moot.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 10:25 AM
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Originally posted by MrWendal

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by MrWendal
 



Actually it IS normal to walk at night to get skittles and iced tea! I walk to my corner store damn near every single night for anything. A soda. A pack of smokes. A candy bar cause I suddenly got a sweet tooth. Just last night at 3am I walked to the corner store because I was in the mood for ice cream!

Yep.

It is so normal.... That most municipalities have a little ordinance called a CURFEW that keeps minors off the streets at night, unless they are with a parent or guardian. They make such ordinances just to avoid having crap like this happen.



Sanford Florida has no such curfew. Would you like to address the facts of this case, or just throw out more nonsense in an attempt to cloud the issue that one man shot and killed an unarmed kid?


Here's some facts. Seminole county has a curfew on a school night at 10 pm on a school night on weekends its 12. Get your head out your #



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 10:25 AM
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Originally posted by blupblup

Originally posted by popsmayhem
Treyvon was very capable of having a gun
and making zimmerman fear for his life




What?

So you're now trying to say that he might have had one so it was OK to shoot just in case.


You really are a moron


No your saying that.

What I am saying is when treyvon attacked zimmerman
first and zimmerman was screaming for help with
treyvon ontop of him beating his face in zimmerman
had no way of knowing if he had a gun or not in the situation
and had every right to use deadly force against the attacker treyvon
Have you seen and heard the eye witness who saw this all go
down? Was you there? No the witness was and the witness
has submitted a testimony, just due to the msm, obama, and the politcal
wheel being spun here your just finding out about the witness
who saw this all happen.

yes i believe the eye witness WHO WAS THERE
AND SAW zimmerman get attacked first then you!
edit on 24-3-2012 by popsmayhem because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 10:27 AM
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Okay, so now the argument is that Martin broke curfew? Why does that justify being chased down and shot by someone who is NOT in a position to be an authority over you.
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I am not making that argument. I simply made a point. The poster that I was responding to said that it is normal for someone to go out to buy Skittles and ice tea at 3 am. The 'someone' in this case was a minor. Communities pass curfew ordinances for a reason. They don't want unescorted minors out and about at night.... For good reason.

I am a realist in at least this point..... My minor children are not roaming around in the wee hours without me.



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posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 10:28 AM
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Ok so if a kid was hits your car with a bat you have to watch him walk away? No so what's any different with a truant he's breaking the law. I can sit here all day this convo is not dead to me.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 10:31 AM
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Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by NoJoker13
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Atually trayvon was 6'3" 140 lbs, not 170 lbs. And zimmerman was 5'9" 250lbs. A huge weight difference since having a lower center of gravity is better and trayvon was a string bean don't give me this bs that this guy was so fat and overqeight he couldn't do #, come one he followed the kid, "stalked" him actually and that is FACT from the 911 tapes. You guys are pathetic.


RIGHT and zimmerman is not psychic
and how did he KNOW for a fact treyvon did NOT
HAVE A GUN OF HIS OWN..
get real..

Treyvon tried to whoop up on the wrong guy
that night

Treyvon was very capable of having a gun
and making zimmerman fear for his life


If Zimmerman was afraid that Trayvon had a gun... why did he approach him then?

You make the mistake of thinking that Zimmerman is a Police Officer. He is NOT. Even a Neighborhood Watch Commander has not more rights than a Private Citizen. He has no job to stop crime, apprehend people, or interrogate anyone. His "job" ends when he reports an incident to Police.

That being said, maybe instead of listening to reasonable people explain this simple concepts to you, we will let people of authority explain it to you. And for all you "curfew people" please pay very close attention to the time of "night" this event took place.


Chris Tutko, director of Neighborhood Watch for the National Sheriffs' Association, said Zimmerman broke some cardinal rules.

First, he approached a stranger he suspected of wrongdoing. "If you see something suspicious, you report it, you step aside and you let law enforcement do their job," Tutko said. "This guy went way beyond the call of duty. At the least, he's overzealous."

Second, Zimmerman carried a handgun. Police departments and sheriff's offices that train volunteers advise them never to carry weapons — though Zimmerman broke no laws by doing so because he has a concealed-weapons permit. "There's no reason to carry a gun," Tutko said.

Police said Zimmerman was running an errand in his SUV — with his gun — when he first spotted Trayvon walking back from 7-Eleven about 7:15 p.m. Zimmerman called police to report Trayvon as suspicious, and although a dispatcher said he didn't need to follow the teen, the two got into a scuffle.

Zimmerman shot Trayvon once in the chest with a 9 mm handgun, officers said. The 17-year-old died steps from the home of his father's fiancée, where he had been visiting. Zimmerman claimed self-defense and was not arrested. Because of public outrage, a special prosecutor, the U.S. Department of Justice and the FBI are investigating.


Source

So here we have the Director of Neighborhood Watch for the National Sheriffs' Association saying the same things many of us have said. Is he wrong to? Does he not know better?

edit on 24-3-2012 by MrWendal because: added source to quoted text



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 10:32 AM
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Originally posted by SonoraUndergroundLabs

Here's some facts. Seminole county has a curfew on a school night at 10 pm on a school night on weekends its 12. Get your head out your #


Here is a fact.. the incident occurred at 7:15 pm.

What was that about curfew?



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 10:35 AM
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Originally posted by SonoraUndergroundLabs
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Ok so if a kid was hits your car with a bat you have to watch him walk away? No so what's any different with a truant he's breaking the law. I can sit here all day this convo is not dead to me.


Destruction of PERSONAL property is different from a curfew violation. A curfew violation, especially one like this, had no victims. Second, Zimmerman does not have the right to enforce the law on passing civilians. That is a job for the police.

And I can find NOTHING about a curfew and no one, not even Zimmerman's lawyer, has said anything about it. Except people on this site that want to justify the murder of a child.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 10:35 AM
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Why are my points irrelevant? Someone quoted a post but it wasn't me, they were quoting someone else but came up as me. I am pretty much in agreement with everything you said here. Except for the "Stand your ground". Because he decided to pursue Martin after being advised by Police Dispatch to STOP following him, Stand Your Ground does not apply anymore. The only applicable defense Zimmerman has now is simple "self defense". And that is kind of hard to prove when he was provoking the situation.

I apologize, I used the wrong wording in that. I did not mean your points are irrelevant and did not mean to minimize your opinion and arguments. Again, I apologize.

What I meant to say is that all of the points seem to be distracting from the underlying issue. That underlying issue is the state law that allowed for Zimmerman's actions in the case to be protected by "stand your ground" laws. That is the main issue, the bad law not racial profiling or the fact that Zimmerman has not been charged.

All of the outrage should be directed at getting the law amended to be more specific and not at the racial issues. If people are mad, be mad at the law not the police or legal system which follows the laws enacted by the people.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 10:36 AM
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IMO, Obama's words are irresponsible. This is one case among many that happen every day. People are shot, people go missing, crime is a sad reality of the world we live in. For the POTUS to interject a very biased comment regarding a specific case should cause him shame. As someone who should know law very well, he should know that his words have tainted the entire jury pool if this case were to go to trial. With one sentence, he could very well have made it impossible for Zimmerman to get a fair trial. The POTUS could also have made a tense situation worse by throwing another match on the fire, so to speak.


As for the case itself, it sounds like the investigating officer looked at the available evidence and decided to not take Zimmerman into custody at the time of the shooting. As far as I know, the investigation has remained open and that means the possibility of charges being pressed against him were always there, IF the evidence were to present a case for it.

My problem is so many jumped on this call for justice with little more than a rally cry from the parents of the victim. IMO, people jumped onto it far to soon and didn't allow the justice system to work. Kind of reminds me of the Kony bandwagon everyone was jumping on about a month ago without really looking into the facts.

I guess my point is EVERY death is a sad event, just as every failure of our justice system is sad, but can we at least give the justice system the chance to complete an investigation, gather all the facts and make the final call before we jump onto the protest bandwagon.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by MrWendal

Originally posted by SonoraUndergroundLabs

Here's some facts. Seminole county has a curfew on a school night at 10 pm on a school night on weekends its 12. Get your head out your #


Here is a fact.. the incident occurred at 7:15 pm.

What was that about curfew?


Nice! Did not catch that. So the curfew violation is OUT THE WINDOW.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 10:40 AM
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Originally posted by TsukiLunar

Originally posted by MrWendal

Originally posted by SonoraUndergroundLabs

Here's some facts. Seminole county has a curfew on a school night at 10 pm on a school night on weekends its 12. Get your head out your #


Here is a fact.. the incident occurred at 7:15 pm.

What was that about curfew?


Nice! Did not catch that. So the curfew violation is OUT THE WINDOW.


Yes the issue of curfew is a completely moot point being used to justify the actions of someone who is not a Police Officer and has no duty to investigate crime at all. His duty is to report. It is to observe. He is a Neighborhood WATCH Captain... the keyword in this phrase is WATCH.

Zimmerman's actions that night goes against the things Law Enforcement even tells Neighborhood Watch to do as I showed in the article I linked above.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 10:40 AM
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Originally posted by karen61057
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A stupider comment has never been uttered. Geraldo blaming the clothing the kid was wearing. Like blaming the victim in the mini skirt if she happens to get raped. She was asking for it. He was asking for it. She's a whore, he's a gangsta.


Geraldo is standing by his opinion.

The police call it profiling. It works more than you realize.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 10:43 AM
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Geraldo is standing by his opinion. The police call it profiling. It works more than you realize.


First, keyword : Police. Second, such profiling obviously backfired horribly in this case.

Which is moot since Zimmerman is NOT an authority.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 10:43 AM
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RIGHT and zimmerman is not psychic
and how did he KNOW for a fact treyvon did NOT
HAVE A GUN OF HIS OWN..
get real..

Treyvon tried to whoop up on the wrong guy
that night

Treyvon was very capable of having a gun
and making zimmerman fear for his life

Everyone with at least one hand with a thumb and a couple fingers is CAPABLE of having a gun. The testimony is that Martin had Zimmerman on the ground and was punching him, not shooting him or reaching for a weapon.

Simply stating that someone is CAPABLE of possessing a firearm is not reason to use deadly force. There must be a particular action that would make a reasonable person believe someone is armed. More articulation is required.

Zimmerman's overzealous actions appear to be protected by the "stand your ground" laws. Overzealous and unreasonable actions should not be protected.

If it is found that Zimmerman attempted to stop Martin, which he had no legal authority to do, he should be charged. If there is sufficient evidence to support a guilty verdict, he should be punished.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 10:45 AM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012


Geraldo is standing by his opinion.

The police call it profiling. It works more than you realize.


Well than Geraldo better run out and get this guy arrested or shot. He is known for wearing hoodies ALL the time. Clearly, he is a menace and he must be stopped.







and Yes that is Bill Belichick the Head Coach of the New England Patriots and an avid wearer of Hoodies. He even sometimes cuts the sleeves off his hoodies and he must be stopped


/sarcasm



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