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"If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon." - Obama. What the MSM isn't telling you.

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posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 10:06 AM
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Originally posted by TsukiLunar

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
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Geraldo says "Don't wear a hoodie." You are asking for trouble.


Don't wear a hoodie because i might get shot for no reason and its my fault because i wore a hoodie?

No, its not up to you to decide on my taste of clothes. I can wear a hoodie and i should be able to do so without getting shot.

Someone clear this up for me, is a hoodie threatening?


According to Geraldo, wearing a hoodie is a red flag for the police and security guards.

When you are on the job for about 5 years, you begin to see patterns.

Actual perpetrators of crimes who get arrested more often than not wear

hoodies in order to evade security video cameras.


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posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 10:06 AM
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reply to post by TsukiLunar
 


Like I said before but you cannot seem to answer. Was it after curfew?



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 10:10 AM
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reply to post by Chalupas
 


Why would the MSM tell us any of that? They love it when racist blacks take to the streets.. gets people riled up and boosts their ratings.

But thanks for sharing with us.. We all knew the kid wasn't some innocent angel .. that people like the watchman wouldn't shoot someone for no reason at all .. clearly he confronted the kid, probably got his ass kicked, and used his gun in self defense.


Originally posted by randomname
well, still he was unarmed. since when do security guards have the right to follow you, harass you, then shot you when you tell them to take a hike.

these mall cops are police rejects or worse, police wannabe's. imagine how f-uped you have to that you don't even qualify to be a cop in america, and have to settle to be a toy cop.


Watchmen are volunteers .. neighborhood watch...... they are not security guards per se. Just normal citizens. But to answer your question, and armed security guard in most states would have been 100% within their rights to try to stop mr. martin and ask him what he was doing. If they were attacked they would have been within their rights to shoot him.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 10:10 AM
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reply to post by DerekJR321
 


Both of your numbered points are distracting.

Here is the bottom line. Lets go step by step.

Zimmerman sees a suspicious person walking through his neighborhood.

EVERYONE has the right to follow and observe ANYONE they feel is acting suspiciously and report it to the police. It would be up to Zimmerman to articulate exactly why he found Martin to be suspicious. Race should not be a reason to find someone suspicious. It should be based on the individual's actions. An exception would be if a description of a suspect is released to the public then race obviously would play a factor.

Have we heard the IN DEPTH articulation from Zimmerman as to why he thought he was suspicious. Unless I have missed something, no we have not heard what his in depth reason was.

Zimmerman's sole reason could be because Martin was a black kid walking through a mostly white neighborhood. This would be unacceptable.

Zimmerman's reasoning could include specific actions by Martin which would have led a reasonable person to think he was acting suspiciously. Zimmerman articulated on the 911 call that there was a crime trend in the area of people breaking into cars.

Zimmerman is told to not follow Martin by the police dispatcher. If a police dispatcher tells you not to follow a suspect it is probably because past experience has shown that following a suspect is dangerous and bad things happen. Case in point, THIS INSTANCE. Zimmerman should have followed the directions of the police dispatcher.

Now is when it gets unclear. Either Zimmerman attempted to confront Martin or Zimmerman lost Martin and began to walk back to his vehicle and Martin attacked him.

If Zimmerman attempted to stop Martin then Zimmerman is wrong. Zimmerman is not a police officer. Zimmerman does not have the authority to make an investigative detention based on reasonable suspicion. That action is reserved for sworn police officers. A "citizen's arrest" does not apply because based on the current testimony, Zimmerman did not witness a crime occur. For a citizen to detain another citizen until the police arrive, one has to actually witness a crime occur. ANYONE would go into fight or flight if an armed man, who did not identify himself as a police officer, tried to stop him or her.

If Martin attacked Zimmerman as he was walking back to his vehicle, Martin is wrong. If Martin had a problem with Zimmerman's suspicions, he should have continued running, stopped and waited for the police to arrive or attempted to get a neighbor's attention to witness what was going on.

Zimmerman was carrying a gun. The laws in florida allow for carrying a concealed weapon with a permit. The laws in Florida also allow for "standing your ground" and making it uncessesary for one to retreat before defending his or her self as long as that person has a legal right to be where they are at the time of self defense.

Did Zimmerman have a permit to carry a concealed handgun? If no, then Zimmerman should not have had the weapon outside of his home in the first place.

Should this be a racial issue and have been taken in the direction it is now? No.

First of all, it does not matter what race each party is. Most cannot tell if Zimmerman is White or Hispanic. It has been reported that he is biracial anyway. It is totally irresponsible for people to make a black vs. white race issue out of this.

Second, the loudest advocates for the race issue have already charged, tried and sentenced Zimmerman. What ever happened to due process? No one has all of the facts. The only people who have MOST of the facts are the investigators. The investigators take those facts and apply them to the STATE LAWS.

Third, if Zimmerman is not charged or found not guilty, it will spark unrest which will be fueled by radicals. People will blame Zimmerman, the police and the courts for not installing their radical form of justice. The blame should be placed on Florida law and the legislature that passed it. The people of Florida need to employ their state legislature to amend or completely abolish the law that allowed Zimmerman to confront Martin and use deadly force in the name of "self defense."
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posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 10:10 AM
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Zimmerman IS being charged. He is going to be brought into court and it will be decided there.


Has he been charged with anything yet? Do we know for sure? He definitely has been before a grand jury. They will decide how to proceed, right? The cops could have charged him immediately but they didn't. I'm asking because I have not followed it too closely on television.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 10:11 AM
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Way to go Mr Obama, race baiting are we ?..........like all our friends and associates without all the facts "again".

Will your DOJ do anything about the NBPP's "Wanted Dead or Alive poster or will they ignor that like the last time these clowns were in the news?? "Gots to kill a few white babys you know" I think was the quote.

This is the "president of the United States" that is saying these things. No move to console the masses to calm, just race baitting to his black base.

For all the people that voted for this person just because of the color of his skin....................how is that working for you??? YAH !! I'd say we have an historic moment going here.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 10:12 AM
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Just because you live nearby does not make your understanding of the case any better or greater than anyone elses. We all have ears to hear and eyes to see and read. We get the news via TV here in Virginia. Yep all the way from Florida even.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 10:13 AM
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According to Geraldo, wearing a hoodie is a red flag for the police and security guards. When you are on the job for about 5 years, you begin see patterns. Actual perpetrators of crimes who get arrested more often than not wear hoodies in order to evade security video cameras.



This stupid. Why do you think that wearing a hoodie justifies being chased down and shot?



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 10:14 AM
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Actually it IS normal to walk at night to get skittles and iced tea! I walk to my corner store damn near every single night for anything. A soda. A pack of smokes. A candy bar cause I suddenly got a sweet tooth. Just last night at 3am I walked to the corner store because I was in the mood for ice cream!

Yep.

It is so normal.... That most municipalities have a little ordinance called a CURFEW that keeps minors off the streets at night, unless they are with a parent or guardian. They make such ordinances just to avoid having crap like this happen.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 10:14 AM
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Originally posted by SonoraUndergroundLabs
reply to post by TsukiLunar
 


Like I said before but you cannot seem to answer. Was it after curfew?


I dont know, but why do you think being out after curfew justifies being chased down and shot?



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 10:15 AM
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Atually trayvon was 6'3" 140 lbs, not 170 lbs. And zimmerman was 5'9" 250lbs. A huge weight difference since having a lower center of gravity is better and trayvon was a string bean don't give me this bs that this guy was so fat and overqeight he couldn't do #, come one he followed the kid, "stalked" him actually and that is FACT from the 911 tapes. You guys are pathetic.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 10:15 AM
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Originally posted by SonoraUndergroundLabs
reply to post by TsukiLunar
 


Like I said before but you cannot seem to answer. Was it after curfew?


What does a curfew have to do with anything? Zimmerman is a private citizen. Even if there is a curfew in this area, it is not Zimmerman's job to enforce it. Not only is it not his job to enforce a curfew, but violating a curfew does not carry the death penalty.


To answer your question though, I can find no information at all to suggest that Sanford Florida has any type of curfew in place.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 10:16 AM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by TsukiLunar
 


Geraldo says "Don't wear a hoodie." You are asking for trouble.



Is that like saying a woman wearing a dress that may or may not be short deserves to get raped? You should be able to wear what you want, when you want within reason. Last I knew dress codes only apply to a majority of schools, not walking the streets. The ONLY dress code I've seen for the streets is some towns don't allow baggy pants. Then again, that might be a shooting offense as well......



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 10:16 AM
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Originally posted by TsukiLunar
reply to post by Eurisko2012
 




According to Geraldo, wearing a hoodie is a red flag for the police and security guards. When you are on the job for about 5 years, you begin see patterns. Actual perpetrators of crimes who get arrested more often than not wear hoodies in order to evade security video cameras.



This stupid. Why do you think that wearing a hoodie justifies being chased down and shot?


I said it was a red flag.

Don't put words in my mouth.

Geraldo is taking heat for his remarks but has doubled down on his position.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 10:17 AM
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reply to post by Cosmic911
 


Neighborhood watches are just ordinary people. In the general public there are people who have permits to carry weapons. Some of these people may belong to neighborhood watch groups. Normally folks are unarmed just keeping their eyes open and notifying the authorities if needed.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by NoJoker13
reply to post by Chalupas
 


Atually trayvon was 6'3" 140 lbs, not 170 lbs. And zimmerman was 5'9" 250lbs. A huge weight difference since having a lower center of gravity is better and trayvon was a string bean don't give me this bs that this guy was so fat and overqeight he couldn't do #, come one he followed the kid, "stalked" him actually and that is FACT from the 911 tapes. You guys are pathetic.


RIGHT and zimmerman is not psychic
and how did he KNOW for a fact treyvon did NOT
HAVE A GUN OF HIS OWN..
get real..

Treyvon tried to whoop up on the wrong guy
that night

Treyvon was very capable of having a gun
and making zimmerman fear for his life



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by MrWendal
 



Actually it IS normal to walk at night to get skittles and iced tea! I walk to my corner store damn near every single night for anything. A soda. A pack of smokes. A candy bar cause I suddenly got a sweet tooth. Just last night at 3am I walked to the corner store because I was in the mood for ice cream!

Yep.

It is so normal.... That most municipalities have a little ordinance called a CURFEW that keeps minors off the streets at night, unless they are with a parent or guardian. They make such ordinances just to avoid having crap like this happen.


Okay, so now the argument is that Martin broke curfew? Why does that justify being chased down and shot by someone who is NOT in a position to be an authority over you.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 10:17 AM
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Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by MrWendal
 



Actually it IS normal to walk at night to get skittles and iced tea! I walk to my corner store damn near every single night for anything. A soda. A pack of smokes. A candy bar cause I suddenly got a sweet tooth. Just last night at 3am I walked to the corner store because I was in the mood for ice cream!

Yep.

It is so normal.... That most municipalities have a little ordinance called a CURFEW that keeps minors off the streets at night, unless they are with a parent or guardian. They make such ordinances just to avoid having crap like this happen.


Sanford Florida has no such curfew. Would you like to address the facts of this case, or just throw out more nonsense in an attempt to cloud the issue that one man shot and killed an unarmed kid?



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 10:18 AM
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Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by MrWendal
 



Actually it IS normal to walk at night to get skittles and iced tea! I walk to my corner store damn near every single night for anything. A soda. A pack of smokes. A candy bar cause I suddenly got a sweet tooth. Just last night at 3am I walked to the corner store because I was in the mood for ice cream!

Yep.

It is so normal.... That most municipalities have a little ordinance called a CURFEW that keeps minors off the streets at night, unless they are with a parent or guardian. They make such ordinances just to avoid having crap like this happen.


Thank you for bringing up what I've been asking these dim wits for an hour now. If the kid was after curfew it would mean he's breaking the law!!! How hard is that to see people. Then In case Zimmerman tried to detain the truant and the kid took off creating.g more suspicion. But people cannot understand things like that they woe rather see an innocent man burn out of entertainment to their own racial ties.



posted on Mar, 24 2012 @ 10:18 AM
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Originally posted by areyouserious2010
reply to post by DerekJR321
 


Both of your numbered points are irrelevant.

Here is the bottom line. Lets go step by step.

Zimmerman sees a suspicious person walking through his neighborhood.

EVERYONE has the right to follow and observe ANYONE they feel is acting suspiciously and report it to the police. It would be up to Zimmerman to articulate exactly why he found Martin to be suspicious. Race should not be a reason to find someone suspicious. It should be based on the individual's actions. An exception would be if a description of a suspect is released to the public then race obviously would play a factor.

Have we heard the IN DEPTH articulation from Zimmerman as to why he thought he was suspicious. Unless I have missed something, no we have not heard what his in depth reason was.

Zimmerman's sole reason could be because Martin was a black kid walking through a mostly white neighborhood. This would be unacceptable.

Zimmerman's reasoning could include specific actions by Martin which would have led a reasonable person to think he was acting suspiciously. Zimmerman articulated on the 911 call that there was a crime trend in the area of people breaking into cars.

Zimmerman is told to not follow Martin by the police dispatcher. If a police dispatcher tells you not to follow a suspect it is probably because past experience has shown that following a suspect is dangerous and bad things happen. Case in point, THIS INSTANCE. Zimmerman should have followed the directions of the police dispatcher.

Now is when it gets unclear. Either Zimmerman attempted to confront Martin or Zimmerman lost Martin and began to walk back to his vehicle and Martin attacked him.

If Zimmerman attempted to stop Martin then Zimmerman is wrong. Zimmerman is not a police officer. Zimmerman does not have the authority to make an investigative detention based on reasonable suspicion. That action is reserved for sworn police officers. A "citizen's arrest" does not apply because based on the current testimony, Zimmerman did not witness a crime occur. For a citizen to detain another citizen until the police arrive, one has to actually witness a crime occur. ANYONE would go into fight or flight if an armed man, who did not identify himself as a police officer, tried to stop him or her.

If Martin attacked Zimmerman as he was walking back to his vehicle, Martin is wrong. If Martin had a problem with Zimmerman's suspicions, he should have continued running, stopped and waited for the police to arrive or attempted to get a neighbor's attention to witness what was going on.

Zimmerman was carrying a gun. The laws in florida allow for carrying a concealed weapon with a permit. The laws in Florida also allow for "standing your ground" and making it uncessesary for one to retreat before defending his or her self as long as that person has a legal right to be where they are at the time of self defense.


Why are my points irrelevant? Someone quoted a post but it wasn't me, they were quoting someone else but came up as me. I am pretty much in agreement with everything you said here. Except for the "Stand your ground". Because he decided to pursue Martin after being advised by Police Dispatch to STOP following him, Stand Your Ground does not apply anymore. The only applicable defense Zimmerman has now is simple "self defense". And that is kind of hard to prove when he was provoking the situation.



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