"If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon." - Obama. What the MSM isn't telling you.

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posted on Mar, 23 2012 @ 05:15 PM
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Bulls***!!

Zimmerman put himself in a position to be attacked by following this kid!

I got news for you. I walk to the store almost every night. Follow me some time, in the dark, and I don't know you. Guess what?? I'm jumping your ass too!

The only difference is, I am not 17. I wont jump you from behind a bush. I am going to walk right up on you and find out why your following me and if you dont have the right answer, you can pick your teeth up off the ground while you think about it.




posted on Mar, 23 2012 @ 05:16 PM
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I don't think anyone can form an opinion on this case until all the facts come out. Either way, it's a tragedy that someone had to die.

The only thing I can say is that I find it very convenient that gun rights and 'stand your ground' laws are now under scrutiny at a time that many states are seeking to adopt the policy.



posted on Mar, 23 2012 @ 05:16 PM
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The shooter has some kind of inferiority complex that required him to live in fear.This was the guy who empties his magazine when a bush would rustle. He bought into the "gangsta" thing and profiled the kid. Maybe because he is hispanic he wanted to express his will.That ,however, was in no way a time to shoot.He stalked the kid first, so he showed hostile intent and put himself in a position of responsibility. He'll burn for this,slam dunk.
If I was step outside after every suspicious person I see every day,My doctor would put me away and rightly so.



posted on Mar, 23 2012 @ 05:20 PM
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Originally posted by sheepslayer247
I don't think anyone can form an opinion on this case until all the facts come out. Either way, it's a tragedy that someone had to die.

The only thing I can say is that I find it very convenient that gun rights and 'stand your ground' laws are now under scrutiny at a time that many states are seeking to adopt the policy.


Point taken, but I would like to point out that "stand your ground" laws are all about self defense. If I am following you, the suspicious person, I am not standing my ground I am advancing my ground. That makes Zimmerman the aggressor.

Fact is, Zimmerman put the circumstances in motion that lead to this young man's death. This kid ran away from Zimmerman. Zimmerman followed. Zimmerman made contact. Zimmerman at any time could have made a decision to stand back and watch from a distance or not follow at all once he called police. This kid had 2 chocies.. fight or flee. He tried to flee and it was unsuccessful due to Zimmerman's actions.



posted on Mar, 23 2012 @ 05:20 PM
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Originally posted by MrWendal
reply to post by popsmayhem
 


Bulls***!!

Zimmerman put himself in a position to be attacked by following this kid!

I got news for you. I walk to the store almost every night. Follow me some time, in the dark, and I don't know you. Guess what?? I'm jumping your ass too!

The only difference is, I am not 17. I wont jump you from behind a bush. I am going to walk right up on you and find out why your following me and if you dont have the right answer, you can pick your teeth up off the ground while you think about it.


There have not been any justifiable reports of Zimmerman following, or stalking as the MSM makes it out to be, Trayvon. Zimmerman could have been following him for 10 seconds, or 10 minutes; either way, Trayvon attacked him. What you would do does not matter because you are not Trayvon, who attacks somebody for asking a question. Zimmerman shot out of self defense, and even tried to preform CPR on the 17 year old.


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posted on Mar, 23 2012 @ 05:24 PM
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It's very possible that Zimmerman was the aggressor and overreacted. It's also possible that Trayvon was an agressive drug-dealing thug. I don't know and will wait to see what facts come out before I take a side.

What I am worried about is the MSM and American people's knee-jerk reaction that puts our gun rights and self-defense rights in danger. That would be the REAL tragedy that comes out of all this.



posted on Mar, 23 2012 @ 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by popsmayhem
This is just huge, fox 13 tampa has spoke to
the witness, the witness saw treyvon jump out
from behind a bush and attack zimmerman.
ZIMMERMAN WAS THE ONE SCREAMING
ON THE TAPES..

ZIMMERMAN was acting in self defense IT IS ALL
COMING OUT NOW FOLKS~~

treyvon martin agressor
Trayvon Martin was the "The Aggressor"http://motherjones.com/mojo/2012/03/glenn-beck-blaze-trayvon-martin
www.hollywoodreporter.com...
Trayvon Martin Case: 911 Tapes 'Not As Conclusive As People Think,' Says Defense Attorney
www.ibtimes.com...


A WITNESS HAS JUST CAME OUT
STATING THEY SAY TREYVON BEING THE AGRESSOR
THIS IS HUGE..

Just hitting the wires folks...
ZIMMERMAN IS INNOCENT
THE PROOF IS HERE
UPDATE NO CHARGES ARE GOING TO BE FILED..
I told you so.

Feds Doubt They Can Charge Trayvon's Killer
www.montananewsreports.com...

Zimmerman is innocent.

The feds know zimmerman acted
in self defense. Treyvon attacked
him first this is why they have no case.
Treyvon bullied the wrong guy this time..


This is just a MSM political race war.
Obama has made sure to stick his
nose into it.. Dont let a good crisis go to waste.


JUST WAIT AND SEE


Neither one of your links back up what you are saying. Please provide the link you got your rock solid info from.



posted on Mar, 23 2012 @ 05:30 PM
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Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by MrWendal
 


It's very possible that Zimmerman was the aggressor and overreacted. It's also possible that Trayvon was an agressive drug-dealing thug. I don't know and will wait to see what facts come out before I take a side.

What I am worried about is the MSM and American people's knee-jerk reaction that puts our gun rights and self-defense rights in danger. That would be the REAL tragedy that comes out of all this.



In this, you and I agree.



posted on Mar, 23 2012 @ 05:31 PM
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And you would probably get shot just the same!!!



posted on Mar, 23 2012 @ 05:31 PM
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Well one thing
"Obama has bought into this by saying "If I had a son he'ed look like Trayvon"

This will get used as part of the gun confiscation "brainwashing" AG Holder was planning to do to go along with the "Fast and furious" attack on the second amendment

and likely it will get used to cause race related paranoia to be used during the election...


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posted on Mar, 23 2012 @ 05:33 PM
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Let's end this intelligently.

Children are taught about stranger danger. When a man is following a person around in a vehicle, one has the right to be frightened for their life, especially when running away proved to be a exercise it futility.
According to the law, and everything that kid probably learned about from a young age about weird men following along in cars, he was definitely in his right to stand his ground.

If Zimmerman was attacked it was because the young man was afraid. He tried to run, it didn't work. He tried to avoid him, it didn't work. Zimmerman already had some intent in his mind when he said "They always get away". He decided to pursue a young man, minding his business, thus forcing a confrontation.

Flight shoots off in the young man's mind. His girlfriend alerts him to run, he does so. Zimmerman pursues and approaches him. Guess what Florida Stand Your Ground Law states...uh-oh, Mr.Martin was definitely in some fear for his life. He was being followed by a strange man for no apparent reason. He attempted to flee, and it didn't work. A scared young man being followed by a non authority figure when there is no one around is forced to run or fight. If he did fight, he did so not as his first resort. He stood his ground after exhausting other options.

Zimmerman is a fool, and a poor excuse of a human being. He disregarded the operator's instructions and intended to confront the young man to distribute some kind of justice. "They always get away"
There is some mens rea there for some type of physical altercation. If Zimmerman scared the young man to a point where violence occured, then Martin held a legal right to retaliate under state law. That means Zimmerman entered an altercation by stalking, provoking, chasing, provoking, and assaulting (not battery, look up the law) the young man to the point where the situation forced Martin to act within his legal right to defend himself. Zimmerman looks as if he lost the confrontation and shot the young man. Wrong move bud, wrong move.

And that's if Zimmerman was attacked (rightfully so). Hell, I bet some of you are going to say Mr.Martin should have called 911. Young Black man who Zimmerman is already suspecious of reaches for an indistinguishable object and POW. Dead anyways.

Mr. Martin was not going to walk away from this situation in any way shape or form unless he outran his pursuers vehicle, which he was unable to. A young man is dead, and people are turning this into a defend the other guy because Martin "may" have been doing something wrong...which there is no evidence of.
edit on 23-3-2012 by TheOneElectric because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 23 2012 @ 05:34 PM
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Just way and see..
I JUST watched the local
news local news my fox 13 tampa bay
they have the witness
who saw trey hit zimmerman first!!!

it is all coming out.
trust me if they could they
would
of arrested him already
they cant cuzz zimmerman
is
innocent



posted on Mar, 23 2012 @ 05:35 PM
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The young man had a phone. He could have called the police.


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posted on Mar, 23 2012 @ 05:38 PM
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Originally posted by Chalupas

There have not been any justifiable reports of Zimmerman following, or stalking as the MSM makes it out to be, Trayvon.


This is a bold faced LIE and PROOF that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Listen to the 911 call. At 1:55 after Zimmerman's breathing clearly begins to sound labored the operator asked Zimmerman, "Are you following him?" Zimmerman's reply is "Yes"

Is that a "justifiable" enough report for you?


Zimmerman could have been following him for 10 seconds, or 10 minutes; either way, Trayvon attacked him. What you would do does not matter because you are not Trayvon, who attacks somebody for asking a question.


Wrong again. First of all it does matter if Zimmerman was following him in the sense of, could Trayvon have perceived Zimmerman as a threat?

Again, it is night time and it is raining. You are walking down the street minding your business and some stranger is following you. We teach grade school kids that when this happens, that means danger and to run and find a cop or an adult. Just because you are 17 now does not mean that this is an ok situation to find yourself in. I am 40 and I already told you how I would react to some stranger following me at night, in the dark. Trayvon doesn't know this is a neighborhood watchman. Trayvon doesn't know this man from the man on the moon. He is a stranger following a 17 year old kid... is it really that difficult to understand how Trayvon would perceive this man as a threat and run from him? He ran, Zimmerman followed. When running from danger does not work, you fight or you die a wussy.


Zimmerman shot out of self defense, and even tried to preform CPR on the 17 year old.


It is not self defense when you are the aggressor! Zimmerman follows him after he ran away out of fear. That is not self defense.

If you break into my home and I confront you with a firearm, and you run away. It is not self defense if I follow you. The law is VERY clear on this point. I can not even shoot you if you got one foot out of my door. So even if you break into my home and run away, I follow you and you attack me, the attack was a result of my following you. A choice I made. That is not self defense. I put myself in that situation by following. By following, I am looking for a confrontation. That is what we call a mutual combative situation, that is NOT self defense.

Here is the 911 call. Zimmerman asked if he is following, he says YES. This is not up for debate.
edit on 23-3-2012 by MrWendal because: added 911 call video


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posted on Mar, 23 2012 @ 05:39 PM
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Actually, from his facebook posts we can assume he was a known drug dealer.


Why exactly can we assume this?

I can't even tell anymore if I'm on ATS or Stormfront.



posted on Mar, 23 2012 @ 05:40 PM
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Originally posted by Chalupas

Originally posted by MrWendal
reply to post by popsmayhem
 


Bulls***!!

Zimmerman put himself in a position to be attacked by following this kid!

I got news for you. I walk to the store almost every night. Follow me some time, in the dark, and I don't know you. Guess what?? I'm jumping your ass too!

The only difference is, I am not 17. I wont jump you from behind a bush. I am going to walk right up on you and find out why your following me and if you dont have the right answer, you can pick your teeth up off the ground while you think about it.


There have not been any justifiable reports of Zimmerman following, or stalking as the MSM makes it out to be, Trayvon. Zimmerman could have been following him for 10 seconds, or 10 minutes; either way, Trayvon attacked him. What you would do does not matter because you are not Trayvon, who attacks somebody for asking a question. Zimmerman shot out of self defense, and even tried to preform CPR on the 17 year old.
So listening to the 911 call, and hearing the dispatcher ask "Are you following him?" to which Z responded "Yes", to which the Dispatcher responded immediately "We don't need you to do that..." which could be interpreted as DO NOT PURSUE.

You didn't hear that part?
Race unrelated, Mr neighborhood Watch Followed. then confronted an unknown person who was simultaneously relaying what was happening to him to his GF via cellphone. Doing so even when advised against it. Mr Watch mans failure to keep an "Observe and Report" stance is directly related to this kids death, and punishment should be due.



posted on Mar, 23 2012 @ 05:41 PM
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You didn't read my post, did you. I cover that. And Zimmerman's phone call already proved that the situation I covered would have occurred regardless. Zimmerman mentioned something about a waistband and possible weapon on the "perp". Any action from Martin involving reaching for a phone would have been seen as reaching for a weapon causing a shooting to occur anyways.

Under Florida Law, Martin sounds like he was definitely in is RIGHTS to enter into an altercation. He not only tried fleeing in a stand your ground state, but he bothered to run until he couldn't anymore. If he stood his ground, I can not fault him. A weird man was following him with unclear intent. That's enough to be frightened for your life in my book. If Martin could legally carry, and he shot him...the law would definitely be on his side.


If he decided to stay on the phone with his girlfriend, I wouldn't blame him. A familiar voice is always comforting in these frightening situations.



posted on Mar, 23 2012 @ 05:41 PM
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It does not matter if he was a drug dealer or not. Zimmerman did not see him dealing drugs. This has no bearing on the circumstances surrounding the decision to follow and shoot this kid.



posted on Mar, 23 2012 @ 05:42 PM
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Yeah I feel the same way.

The reactions to this story from the media and the populace amaze me. The extremism kicked in immediately!

"Oh that kid must have been a no good drug dealing rapist! He got what he deserved!"

or the other side

"Oh poor innocent child killed by an evil gun wielding vigilante, this just proves only authority figures should have weapons and we as citizens should combat violence with hugs!"

Please...the information available is sketchy as it is without ignorant people making wild accusations which become embedded online and in the MSM as memes.

What if both parties were in the wrong? Did anyone think of that? Or think it even possible?



posted on Mar, 23 2012 @ 05:46 PM
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Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by MrWendal
 


It's very possible that Zimmerman was the aggressor and overreacted. It's also possible that Trayvon was an agressive drug-dealing thug. I don't know and will wait to see what facts come out before I take a side.

What I am worried about is the MSM and American people's knee-jerk reaction that puts our gun rights and self-defense rights in danger. That would be the REAL tragedy that comes out of all this.



I agree with you on this, and sadly people will fail to realize that the law is already clear on this. It has nothing to do with gun rights. It has everything to do with someone playing policeman and infringing on the rights of another.

It is not illegal to walk down the street. It is not illegal to walk at night. It is not illegal to walk in the rain. It is not illegal to wear a hoodie. It is not illegal to look at houses from the street. It is not illegal to run from someone who is following you at night. This is all about a neighborhood watchman who decided he was the ultimate authority and that he had any say so about who can enter his neighborhood. Guess what? He has no say! People are not required to check in with him if they are going to be in his area.





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