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Originally posted by Astyanax
reply to post by Tecumte
There can be no 'good' without 'evil'??? Why exactly?
The suggestion is that good and evil are conceptual opposites, and that we would not be able to define or perceive one except in relation to the other. I agree that this is a conjecture based on unexamined premises and it could very well be wrong. However, since we all know good and evil from our own experience, it doesn't make any practical difference whether the proposition is true or not.
It is a bit cynical to suggest, as the OP seems to do, that it is necessary for there to be evil in the world in order for us (or for God) to be good.
'Free will"??? Is it the same in everyone? Is the will of those coerced just as 'free' as the will of those not?
I have to say I never see the exercise of free will in others – whenever I observe somebody else speak or act rationally, it is clear that they are acting under the impetus as well as the constraints of current circumstances, history and genetics. When they act irrationally it is usually under the influence of some drug, hormone or mental trauma. Either way, their will does not seem very free.
When I perceive myself speak or act, on the other hand, I strongly feel as though my chosen actions are freely willed. I perceive myself weighing facts, considering circumstances, making decisions and acting on them. Quite the man of decision, me.
But when I review all later, in tranquillity, I notice those same forces – circumstances, history and genetics – have influenced my behaviour, too. Often it is clear to me that I could not have acted any other way than that in which I did.
One of the proposed solutions to the Problem of Evil is that free will is a good thing and we recognize it as such, and that is why our Creator has endowed us with it. The price of free will, however, is that we often make the wrong choices, do the wrong things, and hence pain and suffering – evil – come into the world. God could eradicate evil pain and suffering, but only at the cost of extinguishing our free will, which would turn us into his unthinking puppets – so He doesn't, much as it pains Him to look down upon our suffering.
There are several serious objections to this view, which you can probably work out for yourself. However, the whole argument collapses if it turns out there is no free will after all...
'Better to shun the bait than struggle in the snare.' You've internalized Blake's words and employ them as a tactic.
You feel your definition of Evil is adequate and I don't.
This discussion has accomplished everything it ever will, and continuing at this point is an exercise in futility.
There is no such thing as "your truth" or "my truth".
The truth of this thread is that we will not agree, and no number of smug retorts will change that.
reply to post by getreadyalready
TextThere is no such thing as evil, and that is exactly why without evil there can't be any good, because the only way to define either good or evil is to put it on a sliding scale and compare and contrast each unique occurence in your own opinion...... but even then everyone's opinion will be different.
Originally posted by IamJoy
It has been postulated by some posters on other forums that perhaps the purpose for which humans were made - is to conquer evil and to destroy it.