Originally posted by Astyanax
This is not an argument against the existence of a Supreme Being, it is a reason to hope such a being does not exist.
If an omnipotent God allows evil to exist in the universe then that God is, by definition, accommodating towards evil. Such a God could not be good,
nor can we trust that in the universe He created right will always triumph in the end. We could not hope for justice, understanding, or affection from
such a God. We should always be in fear, not just of His wrath, but of His purposes, His whims, His lusts and His follies. As for our own attempts to
do good, our own expressions of kindness, charity and affection, they would be nothing but a futile, tragic joke for God's derisive amusement.
This being the case, a thinking person has only two rational choices:
- Believe in an amoral God who is as quick to do evil as He is to do good, and act accordingly oneself;
- be an atheist, accepting the universe as a mechanical system to which the application of moral values is meaningless, and act according to one's
own understanding of what is right.
It is your personal right and opinion, I suppose, that you would define God the way you did. Religion is a personal issue, as I had mentioned before,
and what you said is something you alone are responsible for.
But just to entertain you, let's presume all mankind were to do away with God and His teachings, and choose to be atheist as you so structured the
options in the manner that you want and yet dare call it 'logical', for betweeen choosing presumed 'evil' or do 'what's one own understanding is
'right', what would the world be like?
No two humans think alike. Think of the chaos that you would create as an atheist,if allowing 'what's one own understanding is 'right', to be the
socio-economic-political policy of the land. Chaos would result.
For example:- California lets majority of its legislated laws to be voted by the majority, instead of allowing the elected legislatives sort out laws
for the common good. Direct democracy is good, but it is easily manipulated by the rich against the poor. And today, we saw the result of a
dysfunctional and bankrupted California.
Fatwa, or an islamic edict, can be made by just about any muslim, and thus any muslim can simply call for Jihad - Holy War, upon others. Many muslims
had been lied to and manipulated by evil beasts masquerading as men whom are only hell bent on extermination of the human race, to support such
atrocities upon innocents, as witnessed worldwide for a decade.
Israel' gov, through the control of a few far right radical robotic rabbis and land grabbing rich elites, through their refusal to hand over occupied
lands, had escalated the sufferings of both common Israelis and Palestinians, with needless precious human lives lost.
I can go on, but you would see the point. Humans are only flawed beings, and if we do not know 'evil', seeing it for ourselves and understanding, we
will never know what is 'good' or to treasure it, as beings given free will.
And where did good come from? It certainly didn't just came out of the blue, but through our ancestors, and much of it had historical records to prove
where civilisational guidances and guidelines came from.
As an atheist, one too has free will, to do as he wishes - perhaps governed by teachings and guidelines which can only come from one's ancestors, or
to do evil, acts which will harm and hurt himself as well as others.
Like wine, some claim it is an evil. But wine had been something taught and passed down by our ancestors. It was certainly better than untreated river
water during ancient times which was not ready for the tech knowledge of today, for far too many were serfs and slaves, deprived of education then.
Thus, can we claim that wine and such technology are 'evil'? No. Wine or grapes or alchohol alone is not evil. There are only acts of man that is
evil. It is when wine is taken in excess that causes evil, such as violence, drunk driving, etc. Similar for many bounties our planet is blessed
It is what we do with our free will given, in order that we may get it right or to make mistakes, correct them by being convinced of it by ourselves,
that we as a species can progress and evolve. A man convinced, by his own efforts, has far more potential for positive growth than one that is forced.
Free will and civilisational teachings are gifts to us by our common Creator.
PS:- As to your defination of God, I am much confused by those statements you made. I presumed that you and I read the same books, but how could our
definations differed so wide? Perhaps you could re-read them, not take words out of contexts but situational perspectives on why some actions had to
be done, and join more fellowships with families, relatives and friends to discuss and debate, to find out more?
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