there are a variety of types of murder, for the very reason you point out. involuntary, accidental etc. that's why a broad blanket approach might
not work but I agree, harsh as hell punishments should be in place to deter as much crime as possible.
as to your accusation of me fueling the fire, the only thing I've done, is debate the opening post and point out that the member who brought us this
nonsense is as biased as the media he rails about.
How this became a race issue is beyond me, because it wasn't...
This incident happened fairly local to me, and it was simply a case of an old man who was fed up with people skateboarding in a local park, taking the
law into his own hands. There was no race crime to be had here. You know how some old people get when they have too much time on their hands, and they
get fed up with kids making noise. Especially someone who is a school bus driver, and does not want to hear kids when they are off duty.
Apparently he went into the park, trying to play community police officer to confront a kid who was skateboarding. The victim, who was uninvolved with
the situation at the onset, went to the defense of the kid and a verbal altercation started. Threats were made on both sides, then the gun was
brandished at some point, the father tried to take the gun from him, and he was shot.
Its a tragedy, its sad, but its not a hate crime, and this guy is NEVER going to win on a “stand your ground case”.
Its not “stand your ground” because he not only went into a park armed to start a confrontation, which was not his place to do, but also because
he brandished a firearm around children, causing the other man to act in self defense.
From Hillsborough County Sheriff’s Department:
Deputies Arrest Suspect In Park Shooting Details:
Hillsborough County Sheriff’s detectives arrested Trevor Dooley at his residence on Tuesday at approximately 3:35 p.m. charging him with
Manslaughter with a Firearm, Improper Exhibition of a Firearm and Openly Carrying a Firearm in connection with the September 26, 2010 death of David
On September 26, 2010 at approximately 3:45 p.m., the victim, David James, and his 8-year-old daughter, were playing basketball within a neighborhood
park located at the end of Partridge Point Trail in Valrico, Florida. At that time, another 14-year-old witness approached the victim and asked if he
could ride his skateboard on the basketball court in which the victim was located. Once the victim agreed, the defendant observed these actions,
exited from his residence armed with a firearm and told the 14-year-old juvenile that he was not allowed to ride his skateboard within the park area.
The victim then told the defendant that there were no posted signs confirming his statements and that he told the witness it was ok to do so. At that
point the defendant left the driveway of his residence, walked across Partridge Point Trail and approached the victim who remained positioned on the
Upon the approach of the defendant, the victim stepped off the edge of the basketball area and met the defendant in the grass located next to
basketball area. The defendant continued to demand that there was no skateboarding on the basketball court and did so while displaying the handle of a
firearm that was secured in the waistband of his pants. The firearm was then observed by a witness, who was playing tennis on an adjacent tennis
court. After some conversation with the victim the suspect realized that the victim was not going to tell the 14-year-old juvenile to stop riding his
skateboard on the court. The suspect directed profanity at the victim, turned and started to walk away from the victim. The victim then called out to
the suspect, questioning his display of a firearm. The suspect turned and produced the firearm, when the victim lunged towards the suspect in an
attempt to disarm him. As the two parties struggled over the firearm, they both fell to the ground where the firearm was discharged one time striking
the victim in the chest. The victim told his 8-year-old daughter to call an ambulance and then suddenly collapsed from his injury. A witness ran to
the aid of the victim and called 911 after the observed incident. The suspect remained at the scene and unloaded his firearm prior to the arrival of
Hillsborough County Sheriff’s Office. The victim was pronounced deceased at the scene by Emergency Medical Services.
it's about race because the op couldn't find any other black on white crime to use for his claim that the jewish owned media is biased against white
people. it's a standard argument we get on ats whenever a crime like this takes place, or when a dead black celeb gets more press than a dead white
celeb. I think we saw this kind of nonsense when MJ got more press than farrah fawcett, both having died on the same day.
It wasn't a hate crime because race was not a factor in how either man acted.
Dooley went into the park, which was literally in his front yard, to confront a kid about skateboarding, not to have an altercation with the victim
because he was white. Now, if he had gone out there to chase the “white people” out, then maybe you'd have a case to say “hate crime”.
Nothing about race was involved in this incident. It was strictly about noise, and this mans feeling that due to the proximity of the park to his
house, that it was somehow an annex of his own property to enforce his rules upon.
If you own a house in an area with a lot of retired folks, you'd understand where I am coming from with this. Some old folks, with too much time on
their hands, feel its their job to police everyone else in the neighborhood. I know we have that problem here in my neighborhood as well. Its a major
problem here in Florida were we have a lot of retirees. I know that I have gotten busy, and forgotten to take in the news paper, only to have one of
the retired people here pick it up and place it against my door so it fell in my house when I opened the door. They also like to police how fast
everyone drives, the condition of your yard, how much noise everyone makes, etc...
Aren't the agorigines dark skinned and weren't they there long before the brits started shipping their criminals there?
Aborigines aren't black they are descendents from the Indonesian archipelago and the Indian subcontinent.
The colour of your skin doesn't determine whether you are black or white its your race.
A caucasian person can still be very dark like the arabs but still technically white because of their racial characterisitics.
There is nothing we can do about it because the media gets it's rocks off trying to make race an issue.
People are easily swayed one way or the other and when we have a bunch of selfish idiots, regardless of race, running around killing people and
screwing up peoples lives it just throws fuel on the fire.
Remember life is a team sport. Religous teams, race teams, financial class teams(for lack of a better term).
It is litterally ignorance or the lack of respect for another human being.
I think you have it wrong my friend...the facts in the case involving the young african american is nothing like this other case...facts are Zimmerman
in effect hunted this kid down and then shot him...he outweighed hime by at least a hundred pounds....he was the one with a gun the kid did not even
have a stick. The fact that some many are out raged and not just blacks many whites are as troubled by this...is the fact that this man is walking
free without even being charged.
The fact the police did not arrest him nor even investigate beyond the story he told. Listen to the 911 tapes and this guy was following a kid who had
candy in his pocket and was running because it started raining and he wanted to get out of the rain...where is the crime ? The crime is this idiot
shot an unarmed kid because of the color of his skin..
Now I am white so listen good...I am outraged...am I playing the race card ? No simply outraged that someone shoots an unarmed kid and might get away
with it...how was his life ever in danger...no gun...no knife...no weapons unless you count skittles...candy in his pocket...you are the one throwing
the race card around...the rest of us are simply outraged that someone...white...black...purple or whatever could walk free of a murder...plain and
Every night on the news I hear about someone being shot.. sometimes the suspect and the victim are of different color. It happens every day! I bet
if the suspect was white and the victim was black.. it wouldn't make news.
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