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reply posted on 3-10-2004 @ 02:22 AM by The Vagabond
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Just put a little more thought into this...
We've got strange lights, strange clouds, fema activity, and fighters scrambled as of the 22nd in ohio.
The same day, this "old guard" that is responsible for security in DC goes on alert? (Still waiting to see some sort of confirmation of that).
Two days later, we first notice these strange radar returns over mid-western cities, and they have been moving around to different parts of the
country since.
I'm not gonna say whats going on because I dont know.
For all i know there was just strange weather on the 22nd as well as military exercises and then everyone got hyped up about ground clutter on the
radar...
I'm just keeping room for the possibility that something more uncommon may be unfolding.
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reply posted on 3-10-2004 @ 02:27 AM by weirdo
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reply posted on 3-10-2004 @ 08:42 AM by ledbedder20
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Yeah, I'm in a camp just east of Annapolis, MD.  It's not too bad here, we have the internet and they gave us cell phones, it's actually quite
nice.
Thanks, FEMA!
I hope there's nothing to it guys, I really do.
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reply posted on 4-10-2004 @ 08:34 AM by drbryankkruta
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not to beat an old dog so to speak but what ever became of this issue why the movements was it the terror issue or premidigation of what would soon be
another weather related issue or something
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reply posted on 4-10-2004 @ 05:02 PM by Indigo_Child
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Don't worry, these are only training exercises and psychological preperations for the public. Notice how weather is being used as pretext to do these
exercises, so that people become accustomed to the military managing them in times of crisis. The exercise is a success; they have confirmed Americans
are clueless.
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reply posted on 4-10-2004 @ 05:18 PM by MagicaRose
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what are the detention camps for?
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reply posted on 4-10-2004 @ 05:54 PM by Indy
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Wow. This is some interesting stuff. Where to start? I have two thoughts on this where this might be going. Neither scenario involves terrorism or
NWO.
1. From what I understand a sun dog is an atmospheric event that is common in the Antarctic. If this were observed over Ohio wouldn't this indicate
the presense of extremely cold temperatures in the atmosphere? This could be a bad sign. If that were the case then the contrails observed may have
been from a series of jets taking a sample of temperatures in a grid like pattern in order to get a much more complete reading than could be provided
by scattered weather balloons. If upper air temperatures were starting to resemble that of the Antarctic there would be obvious serious problems.
I think this to be the least likely of the two scenarios.
2. This may be the first hotspot observed related to a failing/changing magnetic field. Look at all the wild activity over the past few weeks. The
increase in volcanic activity and earthquakes in the US. This is on top of an already weak magnetic field. Once it fails you should see a growing
number of unusual atmospheric events. Much like the unusual situation observed over Ohio. A situtation like this would certainly get FEMA
mobilized.
Sorry I'm too tired to expand more on this. Maybe once my caffeine kicks in.
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reply posted on 4-10-2004 @ 07:35 PM by Cassandra
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Originally posted by Indy
From what I understand a sun dog is an atmospheric event that is common in the Antarctic. If this were observed over Ohio wouldn't this indicate
the presense of extremely cold temperatures in the atmosphere? This could be a bad sign. If that were the case then the contrails observed may have
been from a series of jets taking a sample of temperatures in a grid like pattern in order to get a much more complete reading than could be provided
by scattered weather balloons.

Scalar creates cold explosions. The grid was a manifestation of a scalar "woodpecker" grid. This grid is used for many things; a primary use is
targeting (which might explain FEMA).
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reply posted on 4-10-2004 @ 07:42 PM by Indy
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I am not familiar with Scalar. Is this some kind of experiment? If so why would it be conducted over a populated area like that when there are many
other remote locations to use. I wouldn't think you would do any testing or experiments in an area where it could be clearly viewed by the masses.
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reply posted on 4-10-2004 @ 09:20 PM by sturod84
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perhaps prepareing for upcoming election riots, since theres that possiblility that the elections will be rigged! why dont we all just put our worries
aside and make an above top secret defense bunker! hiding in the rockies our bunker will be a mile underneath the surface, with survailence, heavy
arsenals. we could grow our own food and have chickens and stuff! the central network for ATS. i dont know where we would get electricity though....
:/ and for those of you not living in the US consider yourselves lucky!
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reply posted on 4-10-2004 @ 11:47 PM by ledbedder20
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Great idea about the bunker. Let's just hope that the ATF or the FBI doesn't try to turn it into a Waco or Ruby Ridge. So, I'll grab the shovel and
start digging! How deep you guys want this thing? A mile. No problem!
Seriously, it could be any of a few scenarios. Unfortunately, I think alot of events have taken place which can only indicate some sort of attack.
Yes, the government has been tying to acclimate the public to living under military control.
Look up the "exercises" that have been going on for the past 3 or 4 years in which marines come into towns and take over after a terrorist cell has
taken over. Of course, that's the drill's scenario, but they actually raid people's houses, arrest people and hold them, without charging them.
It's supposed to be part of the exercise, but people are unwillingly having their homes searched and unwillingly being detained. You can google it
and find some reports about these things, but it's actually getting harder these days to find them.
Unfortunately, the land of the free is slowly becoming the land of the secure, (at least that's the justification we're fed as to why we're giving
up certain civil liberties and constitutional rights). But, we'll soon see that when the public gives an inch, the government takes a mile. Most
people don't want to believe this is the case, but it's already started. The patriot act, these military exercises in towns, the govt. assisted 9/11
and '93 wtc bombings, the oklahoma city bombing. It's been going for some time. When are people going to start fighting back? When they lose all of
their rights? When the govt. kills 3,000 more people and blames it on terrorists? The truth is, as long as Americans can come home, watch t.v. and
drink a beer, they don't care what happens, they're lazy and that's why we're going tp have every constitutional right ripped from us and burned
right in front of us. And the one's doing it will be lining their pockets and laughing, at the cost of the environment and at the cost of millions of
people's health and happiness.
The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and
for liberty to yield.
-- President Thomas Jefferson. 1743-1826
Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not
have, nor do they deserve, either one.
-- President Thomas Jefferson. 1743-1826
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
-- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), Letter to Josiah Quincy, Sept. 11, 1773.
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
-- Mark Twain. 1835-1910
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reply posted on 5-10-2004 @ 03:21 AM by sturod84
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those damn dirty scoundrals!
hey man, i am up for some diggin. nothing better then fresh air and excercise!
www.prisonplanet.tv...
heres a great article on the higher class and lower class. comparing the people who are on top to the BORG from star trek. kinda creepy, i can imagine
those NWO/Police troopers telling you resistance is futile with a monotary expression. saw some old lady on the news doing nothing but giving police a
peice of her mind about Bush, in the paddy wagon she goes. its like if you step one inch out of line your are to be arrested??? basically what this
is, is that the government can do whatever they want and any nay sayers go away to jail, if you do not turn into one of the robots good bye.
from the article
"As Mussolini wrote in 1932: "The State not only is authority which governs and molds individual wills with laws and values of spiritual life, but
it is also power which makes its will prevail abroad . . . For the Fascist, everything is within the State and . . . neither individuals or groups are
outside the State . . . . For Fascism, the State is an absolute, before which individuals or groups are only relative . . . everything in the State,
nothing outside the State, nothing against the State."
as long as the govt has the means to protect its assets, then why not? technology makes it so darn easy too. better safe then sorry, and with
propaganda devouring ever facet of media there are few to be sorry about all the people who deny their cause, and those on the receiving end of the
impiracle spectrum. i supose one has to consider the drastic changes our county has undergone in the last couple decades. increases in population,
differences in moral opinion, it is understandable for a more controlled state to come about. unfortunatly the way they are going about has been
proven a improper method by the great empires of history. once chaos engulfs the population, which is most likely going to happen at some point. then
their moral obligation will cease, and tyrany will ensue. imo.
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reply posted on 5-10-2004 @ 03:54 AM by Shadowflux
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You guys are behind the times. We've had soldiers armed with m-16s and fully armored riot police all over New York City since 9/11. (when FEMA took
over!)
Oh, and everyone but us civilians has a gas mask, no joke, they even gave them to the token booth clerks. It's never good to be the only one without
a gas mask
Even if I got a gas mask they'd arrest me for being a terrorist if they saw me carrying it around. You can even get a ticket for not having your ID
on you!
I'm just hoping lighting doesn't strike twice
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reply posted on 5-10-2004 @ 11:56 AM by evecasino
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VP Debates in Ohio
The VP debates are in Ohio this evening. Maybe Dick has planned an attack nearby and FEMA is staged so that it looks like the current office is on top
of things and also to look like the VP was a target.
Just my guess.
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reply posted on 5-10-2004 @ 01:54 PM by ledbedder20
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Wouldn't be surprised! And if you guys think that the govt. isn't capable of attacking it's citizens and blaming it on terrorists, then look up
Project Northwoods.
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reply posted on 5-10-2004 @ 01:59 PM by evecasino
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Originally posted by ledbedder20
Wouldn't be surprised! And if you guys think that the govt. isn't capable of attacking it's citizens and blaming it on terrorists, then look up
Project Northwoods. 
It's discussed here.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
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reply posted on 5-10-2004 @ 02:12 PM by Misfit
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Originally posted by evecasino
The VP debates are in Ohio this evening. Maybe Dick has planned an attack nearby and FEMA is staged so that it looks like the current office is on top
of things and also to look like the VP was a target.
Just my guess. 
That would NOT happen in the United States of America !!
Where is your patriotic pride and sense of respect?
That kind of things only happens in other countries, countries without freedom and rights.
sacasm level = I just blew the woofers
Misfit
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reply posted on 6-10-2004 @ 09:34 AM by QuietSoul
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In an attempt to debunk a portion of this story, regarding a roadblock in Fosteria, OH that was recorded on the radio broadcast, I present you with an
email..
The message I sent:
 Dear Ralph C. Wise,
My name is Joe and I work for the WTAM 1100AM morning show, Wills and Coleman in the Morning, and we recieved a number of calls regarding strange
activity in the early morning hours of Sept. 22nd in Northern Ohio..
Please see the link below to listen to the calls:
www.wtam.com...
We recieved one call that aroused suspicion in several of our listeners and our cast, and we're trying to follow-up to see if there's any truth to
the claim..
A caller by the name of Dave, called in to say there was an army roadblock on Route 12 in Fostoria, and we're trying to followup on this claim
Listen: www.wtam.com...
Please reply asap, as we will be broadcasting our findings as soon as you reply, thank you!

obviously I dont work for the station
The message I recieved:
 I think Dave in Fostoria was dazed and/or confused.
The only road block on Ohio 12 (which runs east/west by the way and not north/south) is between Fostoria and Bettsville. The traffic is detoured
because the village of Bettsville is installing a new sewer collection system.
So, either Dave got a whiff of that sewer gas that is collecting early in that system or I'm part of a conspiracy to keep the real truth from your
listeners.
Thanks for your interest.
Ralph Wise
Director of Public Safety and Service
City of Fostoria
419-435-2561 
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reply posted on 6-10-2004 @ 02:13 PM by WindWalker
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Originally posted by SimpleMan
[color=Red]Keep in mind, that when you start seeing NATO troop movements in America we are getting close. Logistics require time to stage troops, and
you'll see UN white vehicles on highways as they are deployed. 
Acutally i have never seen so much NATO activity in the 6 year i have lived on Iceland. i live close to a NATO base(
www.globalsecurity.org... ). the last 5 days there has been heavy activity 24/7. several vessels has gone out to
sea + heavy air traffic, mostly C-130 and P-3. Ive checked in the newspaper, and there is no information about NATO exercises( which there normally
are)...Could this has anything to do wither the other moveings...anyone elser live close to NATO bases??
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reply posted on 6-10-2004 @ 06:06 PM by Indy
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"quote: I think Dave in Fostoria was dazed and/or confused.
The only road block on Ohio 12 (which runs east/west by the way and not north/south) is between Fostoria and Bettsville. The traffic is detoured
because the village of Bettsville is installing a new sewer collection system.
So, either Dave got a whiff of that sewer gas that is collecting early in that system or I'm part of a conspiracy to keep the real truth from your
listeners.
Thanks for your interest.
Ralph Wise
Director of Public Safety and Service
City of Fostoria
419-435-2561"
I have never seen a greater case of nonsense than this reply from the Director of Public Safety and Service. Since when does the military block the
road for utility work? Answer. They don't. It is either police or utility security workers. This person's arrogant response and poor response is
pretty much proof that he is hiding something.
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