Sheriff Joe wants Obama's original draft card. WooT

Originally posted by Furbs

Originally posted by bobs_uruncle

Originally posted by Furbs
Obama's Draft Card has already been released..

File a Freedom of Information Act request to get a copy of it for yourselves.

Would that be a copy of another doctored document like the birth certificate. Is there a third fraudulent document out there? After all, everyone knows that two wrongs don't make a right, but three do.

Cheers - Dave

Just to ask the question; What document would be 'good enough'? Does the document need to say that Obama is from Kenya? Obviously any document that doesn't say that must be a fraud, correct? Seriously, I have no idea what you could possibly be asking for if every government document is likely a fraud because it is issued by the government.

What impossible standard are you looking to achieve?

edit on 22-3-2012 by Furbs because: (no reason given)

Do not expect an answer to this question. It never gets answered. There is no document that will suffice. All and every item supporting a United States birth will be deemed fraudulent. If I made a birth cirtificate with my crayolas and colored in a picture of the African continent in the background. Did the writing with my trusty bic pen and signed it using my dumb hand ( in this case the right because I'm a lefty) that would be held up by the birthers as the only true and verifiable copy of his birth certificate because it says he was born in Africa.

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Pssssst, let me letyou in on a little secret.
There are no forgeries.

Originally posted by brettrix
reply to post by EvilSadamClone

 

Hey Drew - it is ridiculous that the White House can pass off a piece of crap forgery like his 'scan' of his birth certificate and most people think it's real.

You clearly are not denying ignorance - the BC is not a scan of an original document, to be sure!

Ok to be sure..... but please you absolutly must say what makes you so sure. You state this so emphatically that you must know something the rest of us do not. How are you so sure the document scaned was not an original ? Were you there when it was scanned into the system ?

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Sure there is. But birthers wouldnt take their word for it any more than any other word that does not say he was born in Kenya. Sorry thats the way it is. If it says he was born in Hawaii, it will be deemed a fraud. If it says Kenya it will be real. This is only playing is a few places now. ATS being one of them. The rest of the world has moved on. I am amazed how this keeps popping up here. Like a pitbull. Once they get a hold on something they are loathed to let go.

Originally posted by spoor
Oh dear, that birther lie again....

You're wrong again. Obama's mother had to stay in Kenya, and was PREVENTED from flying back to Hawaii because of the late stage of her pregnancy, and that's WHY Stanley Ann Dunham, Obama’s mother, gave birth to little Barack in Kenya

Berg cited a number of unanswered questions regarding the Illinois senator’s background, and in today’s lawsuit maintained that Sen. Obama is not a natural born U.S. citizen or that, if he ever was, he lost his citizenship when he was adopted in Indonesia. Berg also cites what he calls ‘dual loyalties’ due to his citizenship and ties with Kenya and Indonesia.

Even if Sen. Obama can prove his U.S. citizenship, Berg stated, citing the senator’s use of a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii verified as a FORGERY by three independent document forensic experts, the issue of ‘multi-citizenship with responsibilities owed to and allegiance to other countries’ remains on the table.

In the lawsuit, Berg states that Sen. Obama was born in Kenya, and NOT in Hawaii as the senator maintains. Before giving birth, according to the lawsuit, Obama’s mother traveled to Kenya with his father but was PREVENTED from flying back to Hawaii because of the late stage of her pregnancy, ‘apparently a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight.’ As Sen. Obama’s own paternal grandmother, half-brother and half-sister have also claimed, Berg maintains that Stanley Ann Dunham–Obama’s mother–gave birth to little Barack in Kenya and subsequently flew to Hawaii to register the birth.

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Dear Sad Lady, Not only are the birthers blind but apparently they are stubborn too. No amount of proof will be enough. Why don't you admit that . That is the only real issue here and is the only one there has ever been. There will never be enough proof for you.

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No it hasn't.
No second line necessary but here it is for the mods.

Originally posted by karen61057
If it says he was born in Hawaii, it will be deemed a fraud.

You're absolutely RIGHT about that the alleged online posted Obama BC is FAKE, here in this Alex Jones show, expert Rob Dew explains how Obama's BC posted online is a FORGERY, and other experts which i also mentioned during this thread confirm Obama's BC as FRAUD. www.infowars.com...

Our investigation of the purported Obama birth certificate released by Hawaiian authorities today reveals the document is a shoddily contrived HOAX! Infowars.com computer specialists dismissed the document as a FRAUD soon after examining it.

If it says Kenya it will be real.

You're absolutely RIGHT about that Obama was BORN in Kenya, his mother Stanley Ann Dunham was PREVENTED from flying back to Hawaii because of the late stage of her pregnancy, and therefore she was FORCED to stay in Kenya and had to give birth to Obama RIGHT THERE in Kenya.

This TV program shows Police Officer Clint Grimes, and Lucas D. Smith, showing the actual identical Birth Certificate he claims he went to KENYA to get in February, 2009 proving Obama was born there, that's right, they actually SHOW the ACTUAL Obama Birth Certificate from Kenya

www.therightperspective.org... Lawmaker in Kenya James Orengo confirm that Obama was born in Kenya

Michelle Obama admits: Obama was born in Kenya

But i don't care where Barack Obama is born in the world, in my opinion he is a great representative of the United States, and he seems to do a good job as President, there is of course this economic crisis situation, and it is difficult to see who else would do a better job than Obama, fact is George W. Bush Jr. left the United States in a serious economic debt hole, and no matter who else serves as President after Bush Jr., any person who serves as President of the United States will always be target for critics no matter what, and nations like China and India became serious economic competitors, which does not make it easy. In my opinion Obama shall be re-elected as President of the United States. Possible debate ahead, look out, Sarah Palin Challenges Obama to a Debate!

Originally posted by Anunaki10
As you can see for yourself, THERE IS NO RECORD that indicate that Obama was EVER born in these hospitals in Hawaii.

Former Hawaiian Senior Elections Clerk, Tim Adams, Provides Sworn Affidavit Indicating Obama was Not Born In Hawaii

thedailypen.blogspot.com...
Third Hawaiian Official Denies Existence of Birth Certificate: 'Obama Not Born In Hawaii'
Former Hawaiian Senior Elections Clerk, Tim Adams, Provides Sworn Affidavit Indicating Obama was Not Born In Hawaii - And Joins Hawaiian Governor and Former DPH Chairman, Brian Schatz, As List of Eyewitnesses To Shocking Roster of Mounting Evidence Against Obama Grows

Honolulu, Hawaii – Eventually, the conflagration of mounting evidence will reach critical mass and command the attention of the American judicial and legislative authorities…one way or another. Then Obama will have a choice to continue perpetuating his covert identity, or fulfill his own standards of "transparency" with the American people.
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Obama cannot run from his dark past forever.

Former senior elections clerk, Tim Adams, became the third of current or former Hawaiian officials bearing intimate knowledge about Obama's natal documentation to formally indicate that the Aloha State does NOT possess an original, 1961 birth certificate documenting the natural-born citizenship of Barack Obama. Adams says Obama was definitely NOT born in Hawaii, but he does not know where else Obama might have been born because there is NO original documentation showing his attested birthplace.

On January 20th, 2010, Adams signed a sworn affidavit which reasserts testimony he gave in an interview with WLRM radio’s James Edwards, in early June of 2010, when he first publicly said that the state of Hawaii does not possess an original “long-form”, 1961 Certificate of Live Birth on file for Barack Obama, and therefore, Obama could not possibly have been born in the state of Hawaii. In the interview, Adams said, “There is NO birth certificate – it’s like an open secret. There just isn’t one. Everyone in the government in Hawaii knows this.”

Adams managed the Absentee Ballot Office of the Honolulu County and City Elections Office. He served as the Senior Elections Supervising Clerk during the 2008 election and had access to vital records in his primary duty of verifying voters’ identities. Overseeing approximately 45 workers, it was his job to confirm the personal information of voters in collaboration with absentee balloting.

While serving in the Honolulu office of elections, Adams also checked with both major medical facilities in the city, Kapi’olani Medical Center and Queens Medical Center and was told by administrators of both hospitals that they possessed NO medically verified record of Obama’s birth in their facilities, including ANY birth certificate signed by a doctor or hospital administrator.

Even to this date, NO hospital in Hawaii, nor any agency within the government of the State of Hawaii has EVER verified or confirmed possession of ANY original records documenting Obama’s 1961 birth there.

Adams discontinued his position with the Honolulu Office of Elections in September 2008 and now is an English professor at Western Kentucky University.

“I had direct access to the Social Security database, the national crime computer, states' driver’s license information, international passport information, basically just about ANYTHING you can imagine to get someone’s identity…I was informed by my boss that we did NOT have a birth record for Obama.” Adams said.

Two weeks later, in an interview with an ABC affiliated TV broadcast, Adams again said, "As of the time I was in Hawaii, working in the elections office, we had many people who were asking about the eligibility of Senator Obama to be president. I was told at the time there is NO long-form birth record (an original birth certificate from 1961), which would have been the case if President Obama was born in a hospital in Honolulu. There is NO such form in Hawaii."

“Adams claims the Hawaii government was ENGAGED in a COVER-UP designed to tell the American public through the Obama-supporting mainstream media that Obama was born in Hawaii!!! Even though NO long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Obama could be found on record in the Hawaii Department of Health.”

In this interview, Obama's Grandmother reportedly said that Obama is born in Kenya , and his half brother and half sister claim Obama was born in Kenya," the suit states. opengov.ideascale.com...

The suit alleges that while records exist of a "registry of birth" for Obama in Hawaii (filed four days after his claimed birthday), NO records exist of his mother's stay in any Hawaii hospital, suggesting she may have given birth elsewhere and filed the registration shortly thereafter on American soil.

"Obama's grandmother on his father's side, half brother and half sister claim Obama was born in Kenya," the suit states. "Reports reflect Obama's mother went to Kenya during her pregnancy; however, she was PREVENTED from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii at her late stage of pregnancy, which apparently was a normal RESTRICTION to AVOID births during a FLIGHT. Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) gave birth to Obama in Kenya, after which she flew to Hawaii and registered Obama's birth."

The claim could not be verified by WND inquiries to Hawaiian hospitals, since state law bars the hospitals from releasing medical records to the public.

Even if Obama produced authenticated proof of his birth in Hawaii, however, the suit claims that the U.S. Nationality Act of 1940 provided that minors lose their American citizenship when their parents expatriate. Since Obama's mother married an Indonesian citizen and moved to Indonesia, the suit claims, she forfeited both her and Barack's American citizenship.

Originally posted by Anunaki10
Former Hawaiian Senior Elections Clerk, Tim Adams,

As I have already pointed out, he was NOT a senior Elections clerk, so why do you keep posting that lie?

I will answer it for as that is all birthers have, lies. Some hate the fact that a black man is the legal POTUS, so will post any rubbish to try and prove in their own mind that he is not the legal President, as they cannot believe a black man was voted President over any white candidate!

and now is an English professor at Western Kentucky University.

Is he? Funny how there is no mention of him here...
www.wku.edu...

So that looks like yet another lie!

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by braindeadconservatives

Obama is not a dictator...

Yes he is.

He tells me I have to buy insurance, "or else".

What's next? I have to buy a car, "or else"?

I have to buy a boat, "or else"?

A man telling you what to buy and when to buy it sure sounds dictatorial to me.

yeah...well, i'm telling you that you have to pay your taxes, and you have to buy car insurance if you drive, and you have to register for the draft on your 18th birthday, and you have to buy home insurance when you get a home loan, and you have to pay interest on a credit card.............I'M A DICTATOR!!!

Originally posted by spoor

Originally posted by Anunaki10
Former Hawaiian Senior Elections Clerk, Tim Adams,

As I have already pointed out, he was NOT a senior Elections clerk, so why do you keep posting that lie?

I will answer it for as that is all birthers have, lies. Some hate the fact that a black man is the legal POTUS, so will post any rubbish to try and prove in their own mind that he is not the legal President, as they cannot believe a black man was voted President over any white candidate!

and now is an English professor at Western Kentucky University.

Is he? Funny how there is no mention of him here...
www.wku.edu...

So that looks like yet another lie!

edit on 24-3-2012 by spoor because: (no reason given)

cheeez....c'mon, you're just another liberal trying to use common sense....don't you know ONLY COMMIES DO THAT!!!....what....DO YOU BURN THE AMERICAN FLAG when you actually spend a couple of minutes on research.

Originally posted by spoor
As I have already pointed out, he was NOT a senior Elections clerk, so why do you keep posting that lie?

Obviously it's not a lie, "His title was senior elections clerk in 2008," said Glen Takahashi, elections administrator for the City and County of Honolulu

Is he? Funny how there is no mention of him here...

Tim Adams, currently teaching at Western Kentucky University in the graduate program and worked as senior elections clerk for the city and county of Honolulu in 2008

Some hate the fact that a black man is the legal POTUS, so will post any rubbish to try and prove in their own mind that he is not the legal President, as they cannot believe a black man was voted President over any white candidate!

I don't hate Obama, which i also made clear in my post "reply posted on 24-3-2012 @ 11:35 AM by Anunaki10" on Page 17 where i actually said >>But i don't care where Barack Obama is born in the world, in my opinion he is a great representative of the United States, and he seems to do a good job as President, there is of course this economic crisis situation, and it is difficult to see who else would do a better job than Obama, fact is George W. Bush Jr. left the United States in a serious economic debt hole, and no matter who else serves as President after Bush Jr., any person who serves as President of the United States will always be target for critics no matter what, and nations like China and India became serious economic competitors, which does not make it easy. In my opinion Obama shall be re-elected as President of the United States.It's okay to be President even if you are not born on American soil

What I have 'never' understood throughout this whole insane mess (speaking of both the 'birthers' and the Obamaites) is;

"IF" the fact is (and at this point based on the evidence I reserve judgement for fact) that there is nothing wrong or illegal with "the story of and or the documents" then why do so many people fight against an investigation?

The only supposedly authenticated document which either camp can produce at this time is a "COPY" which is only available online and which my 12 year old grandson exposed as BOGUS the first time I showed it to him. Phony as a three dollar bill.

And yes, I've heard the rhetoric over and again, i.e. "but it has been proved". BUSWAH.

The "ONLY" proof to date, for or against "OUR" President having been born somewhere in Hawaii, (which BTW holds the slightest chance of being authentic) is a letter of statement from officals in Hawaii who say they saw the original birth certificate in an 'old binder' hidden somewhere in a place which restricts public viewing.

At this point of course I will hear all the hoo haw and inane blah, blah, blah about 'do you want to see the proof', 'how can you not believe the Hawaian officials', blah, blah, blah.

Let me preempt your statement with my question to which I would love to hear your answer;

AT this point in time, when a large percentage of the citizens of the United States (which obviously includes me) have lost complete respect, confidence and trust in most of those in our government, e.g. the Congress and the President, then how in the blue blazers do you expect anyone to believe in a supposed and purported hard copy of a birth certificate (which you or anyone else outside of a couple of "Hawaiian Officials" has ever seen) as 'AUTHENTICATED' LMAO? And as a matter of FACT, by people 'you' or I have never met? LMAO... and the same type of government officials who most have identified as being untrustworthy and lacking our respect.

Come on, this is not circituitous reasoning on my part folks, simply wtf mate... its slappin ya in the face and how can you pick and choose what public official to trust?

Respectfully then folks, I just don't get it.

BTW... I didn't and won't vote for the President as he is proven to be working against my second amendment rights which is totally unacceptable to me and millions, and sadly there is no one else to vote for either as the GOP has mostly a cast of IDIOTS and sterotypical rich folks, cept for Ron Paul.

Please don't waste my or your time speaking to how "I" am attempting to cast doubt or black the eye of OUR President, as he is already doing that himself in several areas.

Please do speak to the question; how can either side currently expect to stop this madness as NEITHER side has proof 'authenticated' by anyone a large percentage of the public respects of trusts.

At this point, I understand the legal side of an approved BC being acceptable in a court of law. To that I say, I trust the system, but I question whether I can always trust the actors, in this case the politicans. Do you?

BTW... IF any of you care, Bush had all of his info whisked away and hidden forever, to which I and many agree was WRONG...

If there is ever to be transparency in our Government, FIRST there must first be transparency in our "politicians".

Again, all of this is meant respectfully.

INS DOC FOUND: U.S. CERTIFICATE ISSUED TO ONE
EAST AFRICAN-BORN CHILD OF U.S. CITIZEN IN 1961!
obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com...
IMPLICATIVE DISCOVERY: A government document found buried in the online reference section of a Boston Public Library archive bolsters a growing mountain of evidentiary data against Barack Obama’s constitutional eligibility to be president. The document indicates that a consular officer issued a single certificate of statutory citizenship, within the time frame including August 4, 1961, to a child born to a U.S. citizen between July 1st and December 31st, 1961 in the Kenyan region of Africa. The record also reveals that the certificate was the only one issued for this specific type of arrival in the U.S. over a span of more than 18 months, among thousands from other parts of the world.

By Dan Crosby of THE DAILY PEN

NEW YORK, NY – A recently discovered rare immigration record found by researchers working on behalf of an ongoing investigation into the Constitutional eligibility of Barack Obama to hold the office of the U.S. presidency reveals that an American consular officer issued a single Certificate of Citizenship to only one passenger arriving in the U.S. from the Kenyan region of Africa between July and December of 1961.

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These dates not only align with the alleged date of Obama’s birth on August 4, 1961, but also with evidence indicating that Ann Dunham departed from Hawaii beginning in February, 1961, shortly after her undocumented marriage to Obama Sr.

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What a bombshell !!!

Did you send this to Sheriff Joe & the Posse ?



Now what do we do ?

Originally posted by xuenchen
reply to post by Stormdancer777

 

What a bombshell !!!

Did you send this to Sheriff Joe & the Posse ?

Now what do we do ?

We wait for the insults , lol

Originally posted by Stormdancer777

INS DOC FOUND: U.S. CERTIFICATE ISSUED TO ONE
EAST AFRICAN-BORN CHILD OF U.S. CITIZEN IN 1961!

IMPLICATIVE DISCOVERY: A government document found buried in the online reference section of a Boston Public Library archive bolsters a growing mountain of evidentiary data against Barack Obama’s constitutional eligibility to be president. The document indicates that a consular officer issued a single certificate of statutory citizenship, within the time frame including August 4, 1961, to a child born to a U.S. citizen between July 1st and December 31st, 1961 in the Kenyan region of Africa. The record also reveals that the certificate was the only one issued for this specific type of arrival in the U.S. over a span of more than 18 months, among thousands from other parts of the world.

By Dan Crosby of THE DAILY PEN

NEW YORK, NY – A recently discovered rare immigration record found by researchers working on behalf of an ongoing investigation into the Constitutional eligibility of Barack Obama to hold the office of the U.S. presidency reveals that an American consular officer issued a single Certificate of Citizenship to only one passenger arriving in the U.S. from the Kenyan region of Africa between July and December of 1961.

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These dates not only align with the alleged date of Obama’s birth on August 4, 1961, but also with evidence indicating that Ann Dunham departed from Hawaii beginning in February, 1961, shortly after her undocumented marriage to Obama Sr.

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IF this is in fact true, and I'm NOT questioning the poster, then this document will disappear if not protected somehow.

OC, your guess is as good as mine, I don't know.
obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com...

Originally posted by OldCurmudgeon
The "ONLY" proof to date, for or against "OUR" President having been born somewhere in Hawaii, (which BTW holds the slightest chance of being authentic) is a letter of statement from officals in Hawaii who say they saw the original birth certificate in an 'old binder' hidden somewhere in a place which restricts public viewing.

What are you on about? Where is the proof any previous President was born where they claim?

All original birth certificates are hidden in binders in a place which restricts public viewing, so why do you think the fact that Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate is the same as every other original birth certificate means anything?

Birthers have lost the plot once again!