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Originally posted by CirqueDeTruth
reply to post by HeFrippedMeOff
Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by HeFrippedMeOff
And with all due respect, the fear of God is the beginning of knowledge. And true discipleship hangs on the two greatest laws God has ordained, again to love God above all else, and to love our neighbors as ourselves.
The two greatest laws: love God, and love our neighbors. It has nothing to do with fear.
Lose the fear, HeF, and you are that much closer.
Pakol
"The Pakol also spelled Pakul or Khapol, from Nurestan is a soft, round-topped men's hat, typically of wool and found in any of a variety of earthy colors: brown, black, gray, or ivory. Before it is fitted, it resembles a bag with a round, flat bottom. The wearer rolls up the sides nearly to the top, forming a thick band, which then rests on the head like a beret or cap. It is seen as a hat of the Pashtun people.
The hat may have originated in the Nurestan. However, its ancestor is perhaps the remarkably similar ancient Macedonian kausia.[1] It gained popularity amongst the northeastern Pashtun tribes and the Tajiks of Panjsher and Badakhshan. It is also worn by many in Pakistan."
Kausia
"A kausia (Ancient Greek: καυσία[1]) was an ancient Macedonian flat hat which was worn during the Hellenistic period but perhaps even before the time of Alexander the Great[2] and was also used in lion hunting[citation needed] and as a protection against the sun by the poorer classes in Rome.[3]
Depictions of the kausia can be found on a variety of coins and statues found from the Mediterranean to the Greco-Bactrian kingdom and the Indo-Greeks in northwestern India. A modern descendant of the hat may be the pakul, a men's hat from the mountains of Afghanistan and Pakistan."
but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Originally posted by CirqueDeTruth
How many great minds, ascended masters have we missed because most of the world can't get past a book telling them how to think?
I see the true master as one who makes it to the peak, takes a quick look around to make sure there is nothing left to climb...and then scrambles back down to the valley without delay...ready to accompany someone else..to help, guide, maybe suggest but never direct or command....to the top for themselves...then scramble back down for the next!
But that is just my opinion.
I was thinking of that same wise man you mention...I can't imagine him saying, himself, that he was a master of any sort! Just a servant and nothing more...'for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book'
"If you read it as John intended, you think, 'God is on our side; we of course are on the side of good,' " she says. "Now we could be Lutherans fighting against the Catholic Church, we could be Catholics fighting against Lutherans. ... What I found so remarkable is the way that people on both sides of a conflict could read that same book against each other."
Book Of Revelation: 'Visions, Prophecy And Politics' an interview of Elaine H. Pagels by Terry Gross on NPR
LOVE your neighbor
LOVE your ENEMY!
Judge not!
Fear not!
Feed the hungry...visit the lonely...laugh and sing with the rest.....
(yeah, that last part I added...I didn't make it up...I think someone forgot to put that part in there!)
Why is it that religions spring up around these ascended masters? The tragic consequences are there for everyone to see. Suddenly, something that was meant to be an oral tradition that grows and changes as people and society does - becomes and unchangeable book of dogmatic monotheism. What? Perhaps, for control? To modify and adapt new movements that spring up in the larger population maybe?
How many great minds, ascended masters have we missed because most of the world can't get past a book telling them how to think?
It is believed by Ascended Master Teachings organizations that the Master Jesus was "Chohan of the Sixth Ray" until December 31, 1959, when, according to Elizabeth Clare Prophet, Lady Master Nada fully took on that Office in the Spiritual Hierarchy. According to Prophet, Jesus became World Teacher, along with Kuthumi, on January 1, 1956, succeeding Maitreya, who took the Office of "Planetary Buddha" and "Cosmic Christ".[27][28] This belief is not accepted by adherents of traditional Theosophy and the followers of Alice A. Bailey and Benjamin Creme - they believe that the Master Jesus is still the Chohan of the Sixth Ray and that Maitreya is still the World Teacher.
en.wikipedia.org...
Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by HeFrippedMeOff
but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Fools despise wisdom and instruction.
You got that part right. At least we agree on something.
Who then is a true instructor and guider of the wise in spirit if not God himself where He has made His will to us known?
Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by HeFrippedMeOff
Who then is a true instructor and guider of the wise in spirit if not God himself where He has made His will to us known?
God alone. The Divine alone is the instructor, and the indwelling spirit that connects us with the Divine.
No priest, no bishop or pope or President or pastor or vicar or preacher can tell us how to live. Only the indwelling Divine.
Namaste, HeF
Does Light dwell with darkness, can the Holy Spirit indwell and stay along with the spirit of sin?
If no, then by whom does mankind look to for the receiving of the Holy Spirit in Love and truth if we are all sinners?
How are we made righteous in the eyes of a God who refuses sin that we may be prepared and ready for the receiving of His Holy Spirit?
Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by HeFrippedMeOff
Does Light dwell with darkness, can the Holy Spirit indwell and stay along with the spirit of sin?
If no, then by whom does mankind look to for the receiving of the Holy Spirit in Love and truth if we are all sinners?
How are we made righteous in the eyes of a God who refuses sin that we may be prepared and ready for the receiving of His Holy Spirit?
The flesh (mortal body) is prone to lust, coveting, anger.....the spirit (higher self) lies within as well, and strives to train the mortal eye/brain toward the Divine reality of which we are all part.
We already have the Holy Spirit. There is no "ready" about it.
We are born with it.
Our task is to learn to master the 'mortal' and look to the Divine for our rest and freedom.
I suggest you read The Varieties of Religous Experience: A Study in Human Nature (google it....I've already posted links to it) by William James. Brilliant treatise on the differences in natural temperament (optimistic or melancholy), and how there are 'religious sects (and/or cults)' that suit both.
Originally posted by CirqueDeTruth
reply to post by HeFrippedMeOff
Christ wasn't the only God who claims a return from death.
You would believe this without Spirit or History but not Christ? oh well.
Osiris rose from death not once but twice! Though in his second resurrection he was reborn into the god Horus.
Unless in the beginning God. And through His Holy Spirit revealed to godly men his plan for salvation in a perfect sacrifice for sins. Many men have wanted to be God making themselves out to be God but are still yet in the grave. Many of those god's you list too could be argued as being the fallen angels but I wont go there . Anyways, they are not God and are not Christ who also was in the beginning with the Father. The slightest of parallels in spite of having real evidence or following after death in no way makes them equal to God or His son; not in Spirit or in truth but I know you will believe according to what makes you feel good about your own knowledge and not about grace and our Father's gift although I would that you see it. Again, oh well.
Other gods include Mithra, Krishna, and Dionysus. All these reference much older sources and Jesus reflects these gods in the current anthropomorphized composite of Christ. It's the same old mythologies wrapped in the new religious package.
Many of those god's you list too could be argued as being the fallen angels but I wont go there . Anyways, they are not God and are not Christ who also was in the beginning with the Father. The slightest of parallels in spite of having real evidence or following after death in no way makes them equal to God or His son;
The National Council of Churches is a community of Christian communions, which, in response to the gospel as revealed in the Scriptures, confess Jesus Christ, the incarnate Word of God, as Savior and Lord.
These communions covenant with one another to manifest ever more fully the unity of the Church.
Relying upon the transforming power of the Holy Spirit, the communions come together as the Council in common mission, serving in all creation to the glory of God."
--from the Preamble to the NCC Constitution
National Council of Churches Interfaith Relations Commission Handbook pg 3
1 God presides in the great assembly.
He judges among the gods.
2 “How long will you judge unjustly,
and show partiality to the wicked?”
Selah.
3 “Defend the weak, the poor, and the fatherless.
Maintain the rights of the poor and oppressed.
4 Rescue the weak and needy.
Deliver them out of the hand of the wicked.”
5 They don’t know, neither do they understand.
They walk back and forth in darkness.
All the foundations of the earth are shaken.
6 I said, “You are gods,
all of you are sons of the Most High.
7 Nevertheless you shall die like men,
and fall like one of the rulers.”
8 Arise, God, judge the earth,
for you inherit all of the nations.
-- Psalm 82, WEB
5 Have this in your mind, which was also in Christ Jesus,
6 who, existing in the form of God,
didn’t consider equality with God a thing to be grasped,
7 but emptied himself,
taking the form of a servant,
being made in the likeness of men.
8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself,
becoming obedient to death, yes, the death of the cross.
9 Therefore God also highly exalted him,
and gave to him the name which is above every name;
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
of those in heaven, those on earth, and those under the earth,
11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
- Philippians 2, WEB