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Originally posted by camus154
reply to post by Gab1159
I'm honestly not trying to twist your words, but I will admit to reacting strongly to some of your verbiage in the initial post. And if I implied that I thought you were attacking American citizens directly rather than our leaders, I apologize. I know you weren't.
In any case, this is the best I can tell you. A lot has gone on since 9/11 that I do not agree with. A lot of things do concern me. I'm no more a fan of our government than apparently you are. But all of that being said, I can tell you that from a practical level, I am not living in a police state. Maybe you could go through the various constituent factors that presumably define a police state and find some example where the US fits the bill. This reminds me of people who read a psychological checklist of symptoms and come to the horrifying conclusion that they suffer from any number of mental disorders.
That said, I must also say that you have raised my awareness on several points that I will be researching further, and for that, I do sincerely thank you.
Originally posted by Razor84
I also have an issue with the people that have an issue with the TSA.
First off, getting into the TSA is not easy. I tried it myself and got into the final phases before realizing it wasn't quite my thing, and then ducked out of the process. The oral interviews are tougher than that of some police departments (I've tried a couple of those as well). They consist of (at least mine, anyway) you being stuffed into a little room with 3 or 4 TSA interviewers who drill you with a ton of questions, which seemed like 100, but I think was probably significantly fewer. I managed to do rather well at my interview, but I was sweating balls. I've passed three oral teams consisting of three people per team in police department interviews with ease compared to this.
Anyway, they're federal agents, whether you like it or not. In my opinion, if you want to fly (anywhere in the United States), you submit to their rules and screenings. It is being done to keep everybody safe. I've worked for private security companies in the past, and I cannot imagine private security doing any better than the TSA can do, for many reasons. TSA agents aren't half the bums and "rent-a-cop" (I hate that phrase. Technically, private security are rent-a-cops) thugs you believe them to be. As I said before they are federal agents, have earned that title and deserve to be respected as such. I'm not saying there's no bad apples, as you've obviously seen reports about agents that abuse their powers and whatnot. I know a few agents and believe me, the only thing on their mind is keeping everybody safe.
I don't get what the big deal is either. I would gladly submit to any screening or pat down they wanted to give me. Everybody should simply comply with the TSA and accept the fact that there ARE people who do want to do harm to the US and citizens, which is why the TSA is there in the first place. The only way to accomplish their mission is to of course scan everybody that intends to fly. Because, after all, selecting only people that "look like terrorists" would just be something else to bitch about.
My two cents...
Originally posted by koder
Its all just conditioning...to accept police state gradually...one day sheeple will realize this country is slowly closing its fist around their throats...you know, the ones used to express what they want..without being arrested or beaten..
Originally posted by camus154
Have you ever wondered if those of us who play nice with Big Brother are the smart ones?
Think about it the next time you call us "sheeple". Keyser Soze, is what I'm saying.
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Real life and movies are not the same thing, and it seems you are grossely underestimating the resolve of those with trillions to do what they please. The money that gets printed during a bull cycle does not magically vanish during a bear cycle.
Originally posted by BIHOTZ
will you will be playing along when they say that everyone else is an enemy of the state and must be eliminated?