Part of the flawed premise here is that these man-made religions have anything to do with an objective "truth".
I have spiritual beliefs, but I don't subscribe to any religion, nor would I ever want to. Do I feel a need to impose my spiritual views on society or anyone else? Of course not. Should religion be allowed to exist and thrive? Yes.
I don't care. Except when religious people want me to start living my life in accordance with their outdated, superstitious "rules" and "beliefs".

Religious people seem to be full of self-righteous entitlement. They want to impose their views on society as a whole. Countless atrocities have been committed in the name of many religions, by, supposedly "religious" people.

I think some people have confused Human Rights with Civil Rights. The Right to have a legal, equally recognized marriage is a Civil Right.

Being LGBT is NOT a choice. It's how you're born. Science has plenty of proof to support this FACT. To believe otherwise, is to be making assumptions from a place of ignorance. Has anyone noticed that there are no "facts" associated with religious belief? It's just a "belief" based on "faith"- no facts or proof at all are involved. Religious people just believe the "story in the the book", and they'll defend that blind faith to their death ( or yours ).

Perhaps homosexuality is evolution at work. The planet is quickly becoming over-populated, with a finite amount of resources. Perhaps nature knows best, and wants to curb reproduction in order to restore some natural balance. Perhaps this concept is wrong.

To be predjudiced at all, whether it's racism, religious intolerance, or homophobia is ignorance. If you're a homophobe, or a racist, you're certainly entitled to your world view. Have at it. And if you're either one of those things, you're ignorant, plain and simple.

Trying to get ignorant people to accept logic and reason is in most cases a futile effort, because their self-worth is attached to their egos, and they're very comfortable with their self identity, even if it is based in ignorance. Change, understanding, and empathy are largely beyond their capacity. Ignorant people are in a fundamantal way disabled, so to speak. Ultimately they deserve our empathy and understanding.

I'm part of the LGBT community, and I"m proud of that. I don't want to be anything other than what I am. I'm comfortable with myself.
I don't expect everyone to personally accept or like homosexuality, but I do expect to be treated with the same basic respect and dignity that is afforded to everyone else who is NOT like me. I expect to be able to live my life without the threats of violence and governmental / institutional discrimination. I'm entitled to both my Human AND Civil Rights, and everything that is implied by them.

You can hate me for what I am because you feel personally threatened by my existence.
You can drive yourself crazy by imagining what may or may not happen in my bedroom.
You can say, do, think and feel anything you want to.
However, I'm NOT going anywhere, I'm here to stay. I'm not going to hide, feel ashamed, or live in fear.
I won't accept being robbed of my dignity and basic human respect by surrendering, and "going along just to get along".
And ALL of my Brothers and Sisters are here to stay as well.
Our existence is a fact. We are real, and we're everywhere.

DENY IGNORANCE !

Taking Any right from free people is a very bad thing.
what do you do when they take the last of them!

Originally posted by moonzoo7
Part of the flawed premise here is that these man-made religions have anything to do with an objective "truth".
I have spiritual beliefs, but I don't subscribe to any religion, nor would I ever want to. Do I feel a need to impose my spiritual views on society or anyone else? Of course not. Should religion be allowed to exist and thrive? Yes.
I don't care. Except when religious people want me to start living my life in accordance with their outdated, superstitious "rules" and "beliefs".

Religious people seem to be full of self-righteous entitlement. They want to impose their views on society as a whole. Countless atrocities have been committed in the name of many religions, by, supposedly "religious" people.

I think some people have confused Human Rights with Civil Rights. The Right to have a legal, equally recognized marriage is a Civil Right.

Being LGBT is NOT a choice. It's how you're born. Science has plenty of proof to support this FACT. To believe otherwise, is to be making assumptions from a place of ignorance. Has anyone noticed that there are no "facts" associated with religious belief? It's just a "belief" based on "faith"- no facts or proof at all are involved. Religious people just believe the "story in the the book", and they'll defend that blind faith to their death ( or yours ).

Perhaps homosexuality is evolution at work. The planet is quickly becoming over-populated, with a finite amount of resources. Perhaps nature knows best, and wants to curb reproduction in order to restore some natural balance. Perhaps this concept is wrong.

To be predjudiced at all, whether it's racism, religious intolerance, or homophobia is ignorance. If you're a homophobe, or a racist, you're certainly entitled to your world view. Have at it. And if you're either one of those things, you're ignorant, plain and simple.

Trying to get ignorant people to accept logic and reason is in most cases a futile effort, because their self-worth is attached to their egos, and they're very comfortable with their self identity, even if it is based in ignorance. Change, understanding, and empathy are largely beyond their capacity. Ignorant people are in a fundamantal way disabled, so to speak. Ultimately they deserve our empathy and understanding.

I'm part of the LGBT community, and I"m proud of that. I don't want to be anything other than what I am. I'm comfortable with myself.
I don't expect everyone to personally accept or like homosexuality, but I do expect to be treated with the same basic respect and dignity that is afforded to everyone else who is NOT like me. I expect to be able to live my life without the threats of violence and governmental / institutional discrimination. I'm entitled to both my Human AND Civil Rights, and everything that is implied by them.

You can hate me for what I am because you feel personally threatened by my existence.
You can drive yourself crazy by imagining what may or may not happen in my bedroom.
You can say, do, think and feel anything you want to.
However, I'm NOT going anywhere, I'm here to stay. I'm not going to hide, feel ashamed, or live in fear.
I won't accept being robbed of my dignity and basic human respect by surrendering, and "going along just to get along".
And ALL of my Brothers and Sisters are here to stay as well.
Our existence is a fact. We are real, and we're everywhere.

DENY IGNORANCE !

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The usual nonsense from pseudo science does not constitute as facts.
There is no evidence to support 'born this way' theory.
And talking about spirituality, it has roots in religion and i can't think of any true spiritual leader defending sex for pleasures.

Originally posted by FraternitasSaturni

You know... sometimes in the history of our planet comes a single event that completely changes EVERYTHING. The way you think, look, dress, eat, walk... even the way you live. Whole societies changed from day to night after reaching their complete lack of values apex... then they fell and changed. Over night.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, they said the exact same thing about interracial marriages. Allowing interracial marriages was going to cause our society to go to hell in a hand basket. The children of these marriages were going to be freakishly mutant half-animals (Halle Berry is a freakishly mutant half-animal, isn't she).

That was 50 years ago, and we're still here. The states that have legalized gay marriages are doing just fine after reaching their "lack of values apex".

I must be one of the few who think it's absurd for marriage to be a legally binding contract to begin with.

Another example of how there is no true separation of church and state.

Originally posted by kaylaluv

Originally posted by FraternitasSaturni

You know... sometimes in the history of our planet comes a single event that completely changes EVERYTHING. The way you think, look, dress, eat, walk... even the way you live. Whole societies changed from day to night after reaching their complete lack of values apex... then they fell and changed. Over night.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, they said the exact same thing about interracial marriages. Allowing interracial marriages was going to cause our society to go to hell in a hand basket. The children of these marriages were going to be freakishly mutant half-animals (Halle Berry is a freakishly mutant half-animal, isn't she).

That was 50 years ago, and we're still here. The states that have legalized gay marriages are doing just fine after reaching their "lack of values apex".

I hope you know that hale berry cant spring from a gay couple...

Originally posted by deepankarm

Let me make it clear to you--- You can't force beliefs on any society.
Even if you shout lifelong in front of me, i won't recognize same sex marriage.
Same sex unions are just MUTUAL MASTURBATING LICENCES, nothing more.
You can delude yourself as you wish.

You are under the delusion that gays are only about sex. Yep, that's all they do, all day long. They don't have jobs, they don't eat, they don't shop, they don't know how to care, nurture, think, laugh, cry. They don't care for another, they don't grow old together, they don't sit by their dying partner's bedside for 72 hours straight. They don't cry when bullied by people like you. All they do and all they are is sex, sex, sex. Wow. You are deluded.

Originally posted by FraternitasSaturni

Originally posted by kaylaluv

Originally posted by FraternitasSaturni

You know... sometimes in the history of our planet comes a single event that completely changes EVERYTHING. The way you think, look, dress, eat, walk... even the way you live. Whole societies changed from day to night after reaching their complete lack of values apex... then they fell and changed. Over night.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, they said the exact same thing about interracial marriages. Allowing interracial marriages was going to cause our society to go to hell in a hand basket. The children of these marriages were going to be freakishly mutant half-animals (Halle Berry is a freakishly mutant half-animal, isn't she).

That was 50 years ago, and we're still here. The states that have legalized gay marriages are doing just fine after reaching their "lack of values apex".

I hope you know that hale berry cant spring from a gay couple...

No, but she came from that demonized union of a black person and a white person. The horrors!

The world will eventually be forced to abandon their gay prejudices. And the world will continue to go on.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere


The best thing any homosexual couple, heterosexual couple, polygamous group, resource sharing roommates, whoever can do to work against it is to ignore it. Stop believing in it's power and it will die. Then we'll be free.

OR, have the U. S. Supreme Court rule that it is unconstitutional to ban same same-sex marriages, on the grounds of discrimination. It worked for interracial marriages.

The 'queering agenda' at least is finally put on the shelf away from the winds of influence.
This at least should put the whole thing in the closet where it belongs.
I don't like nor hate the whole gay thing.
And you can't tell me the sodomite acts they indulge in in any way normal, that's why they get the whole stigma and controversy.