AMERICA SEEKS TO DESTROY THE AUSTRALIAN ECONOMY

Originally posted by daaskapital

Originally posted by pirhanna
There's no such thing as an "illegal tax". Or I should say a carbon tax is no more illegal than any other kind of tax. Ever tried to buy cigarettes? Taxes are 50% + of the cost. An illegal mining tax? Where do you come up with this stuff? There are quite literally TAXES ON EVERYTHING.

edit on 20-3-2012 by pirhanna because: (no reason given)

It is illegal, when a leader conducts a coup, while publicly stating that she won't bring in a Carbon Tax, when there is evidence that she was talking to a whole lot of companies about the Carbon Tax, 1 month before the election with Abbot. We didn't get to vote, to keep Rudd, or let him go, we didn't get to vote about the Carbon Tax, when 3 quarters of Australiadespises it. There are forces at play here, and if you can't see it, then you are blind.

It's not illegal. The public voted, Labor won, the Labor party ousted Rudd (which is not illegal).

We never get to vote on the leader of a party. We vote for the party.

We don't get to vote on every policy a party brings in when they are in power.

Originally posted by daaskapital
He said that he doesn't care about the taxes, because they will not hurt him or his companies financially.

So if this won't hurt his companies or profits, how is it damaging Australian mining?

Originally posted by aaron2209

Originally posted by daaskapital

Originally posted by pirhanna
There's no such thing as an "illegal tax". Or I should say a carbon tax is no more illegal than any other kind of tax. Ever tried to buy cigarettes? Taxes are 50% + of the cost. An illegal mining tax? Where do you come up with this stuff? There are quite literally TAXES ON EVERYTHING.

edit on 20-3-2012 by pirhanna because: (no reason given)

It is illegal, when a leader conducts a coup, while publicly stating that she won't bring in a Carbon Tax, when there is evidence that she was talking to a whole lot of companies about the Carbon Tax, 1 month before the election with Abbot. We didn't get to vote, to keep Rudd, or let him go, we didn't get to vote about the Carbon Tax, when 3 quarters of Australiadespises it. There are forces at play here, and if you can't see it, then you are blind.

It's not illegal. The public voted, Labor won, the Labor party ousted Rudd (which is not illegal).

We never get to vote on the leader of a party. We vote for the party.

We don't get to vote on every policy a party brings in when they are in power.

The vote between Gillard and Abbot was an interesting one. Gillard said numerous times that tehre wouldn't be a Carbon tax under her govt. but when she gets in power , BAM. I have evidence that she was talking to anti-Carbon companies.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Gillard said numerous times that tehre wouldn't be a Carbon tax under her govt. but when she gets in power , BAM.

Happens all the time with politicians.

Originally posted by aaron2209

Gillard said numerous times that tehre wouldn't be a Carbon tax under her govt. but when she gets in power , BAM.

Happens all the time with politicians.

I understand. I just have one question though. Why do you support a Carbon Tax?

I understand. I just have one question though. Why do you support a Carbon Tax?

Probably off topic for this thread so I'm not going to go into great detail but I believe it will encourage and promote renewable energy sources.

edit: Just realised this is a "Rant" so I guess it won't be off topic lol

reply to post by Jace26


This Admin has been actively trying to destroy any previous alliances and toady to those who do not like the US and it's western counterparts.

And to top it off, Obama has a [Snip] against the coal industry.

Look at how this Admin treats the UK for instance. I'm not suprised that they are doing the same to the AUS/NZ.

I know it is hard, but within the year he'll be out along with his sycophants.

Hopefully the next guy can bring about a return to normal relations amongst our two great Nations. A guy can hope...can't he?

(I gotta admit it, I love the Aussies, If I could ever bring my guns, I would immediately immigrate)

Firstly, the CIA / US is not stupid enough to want to destroy the Australian economy, why would they want to kill a goose that lays golden eggs? But they do want some of these eggs. Australia is not telling the US to stick like Iran so I cannot preserve any motive for economic destruction, just some argy bargy over economic retribution.

As an Australian I do support the Carbon and Mining taxes. The only reason we are sticking with coal, oil and gas is the status quo and dependant social infrastructure. Why do solar cells greater than 20% efficient get locked up in national security? Why are systems like Blacklight power that only cost 1 cent/kwh with no emissions not getting the backing when coal costs 8 cent/kwh? There is a lot of economic, environmental and social harm going on all around the world, try not to get too diverted from the bigger issues.

Originally posted by aaron2209

Originally posted by daaskapital

Originally posted by pirhanna
There's no such thing as an "illegal tax". Or I should say a carbon tax is no more illegal than any other kind of tax. Ever tried to buy cigarettes? Taxes are 50% + of the cost. An illegal mining tax? Where do you come up with this stuff? There are quite literally TAXES ON EVERYTHING.

edit on 20-3-2012 by pirhanna because: (no reason given)

It is illegal, when a leader conducts a coup, while publicly stating that she won't bring in a Carbon Tax, when there is evidence that she was talking to a whole lot of companies about the Carbon Tax, 1 month before the election with Abbot. We didn't get to vote, to keep Rudd, or let him go, we didn't get to vote about the Carbon Tax, when 3 quarters of Australiadespises it. There are forces at play here, and if you can't see it, then you are blind.

It's not illegal. The public voted, Labor won, the Labor party ousted Rudd (which is not illegal).

We never get to vote on the leader of a party. We vote for the party.

We don't get to vote on every policy a party brings in when they are in power.

Maybe you have memory problems but Australians never voted for Labour. It was a hung parliament and Labour decided to take power through the Greens (CIA).
So it is illegal whichever way you look at it.

Maybe you have memory problems but Australians never voted for Labour. It was a hung parliament and Labour decided to take power through the Greens (CIA).
So it is illegal whichever way you look at it.

No I remember. As many Australians voted for Labor as voted for the Coalition. Deals had to be made with The Greens and Independents to gain their support in order to form a Minority Government.

Labor were better deal brokers than the Coalition and got the support they needed.

Would you be feeling the same if it was the Coalition in power right now due to making deals with a 3rd Party and independents?

If so, what is your solution?


edit: Sorry, my info was a bit off. It wasn't equal at all, more people preferred Labor.
Two Party Preferred Results

Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by Jace26

 

This Admin has been actively trying to destroy any previous alliances and toady to those who do not like the US and it's western counterparts.

And to top it off, Obama has a [Snip] against the coal industry.

Look at how this Admin treats the UK for instance. I'm not suprised that they are doing the same to the AUS/NZ.

I know it is hard, but within the year he'll be out along with his sycophants.

Hopefully the next guy can bring about a return to normal relations amongst our two great Nations. A guy can hope...can't he?

(I gotta admit it, I love the Aussies, If I could ever bring my guns, I would immediately immigrate)

edit on 20-3-2012 by TDawgRex because: (no reason given)

I'm glad you agree with me, but please know that voting out Obama won't solve the problem.
This is the American government purposely attempting to destroy Australia's economy via espionage. You would have to get rid of all the American politicians and the CIA in order to fix it.
But as I don't ever seeing that happen, the only path Australia can take is to cut ties with the US.

Nevertheless I hope you guys suceed in electing Ron Paul.

Originally posted by aaron2209

Maybe you have memory problems but Australians never voted for Labour. It was a hung parliament and Labour decided to take power through the Greens (CIA).
So it is illegal whichever way you look at it.

No I remember. As many Australians voted for Labor as voted for the Coalition. Deals had to be made with The Greens and Independents to gain their support in order to form a Minority Government.

Labor were better deal brokers than the Coalition and got the support they needed.

Would you be feeling the same if it was the Coalition in power right now due to making deals with a 3rd Party and independents?

If so, what is your solution?

edit on 20-3-2012 by aaron2209 because: (no reason given)

I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say.

Kevin Rudd desposed as leader. CIA

Julia Gillard wins support of Greens. CIA

Julia Gillard says there will be no Carbon tax then after being being by the CIA backed Greens she says there will be one........ CIA

If you still don't get the message here it is once more for you.. CIA!!!

Originally posted by Jace26

Originally posted by aaron2209

Maybe you have memory problems but Australians never voted for Labour. It was a hung parliament and Labour decided to take power through the Greens (CIA).
So it is illegal whichever way you look at it.

No I remember. As many Australians voted for Labor as voted for the Coalition. Deals had to be made with The Greens and Independents to gain their support in order to form a Minority Government.

Labor were better deal brokers than the Coalition and got the support they needed.

Would you be feeling the same if it was the Coalition in power right now due to making deals with a 3rd Party and independents?

If so, what is your solution?

edit on 20-3-2012 by aaron2209 because: (no reason given)

I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say.

Kevin Rudd desposed as leader. CIA

Julia Gillard wins support of Greens. CIA

Julia Gillard says there will be no Carbon tax then after being being by the CIA backed Greens she says there will be one........ CIA

If you still don't get the message here it is once more for you.. CIA!!!

Yes yes, I understand what you attempting to say. Problem is, there is no evidence for any of this.

Originally posted by aaron2209

I understand. I just have one question though. Why do you support a Carbon Tax?

Probably off topic for this thread so I'm not going to go into great detail but I believe it will encourage and promote renewable energy sources.

edit: Just realised this is a "Rant" so I guess it won't be off topic lol

edit on 20-3-2012 by aaron2209 because: (no reason given)

LOL LOL LOL

If the government wanted to encourage and promote renewable energies why did the end the subsidies for them?? HMM?

This carbon tax is nothing more than a socialist program aimed at destroying Australia's middle class. Have a look at Gillards background she is both a Fabian and a communist.

FFS open your eyes and think, since when did the government give a # about the environment.

reply to post by Jace26


I would love to see ALL politicians booted out of office. Even the good ones. They can run again of course if they do not have a law degree.

This coming from some one of a conservative mindset.

Myself? I would hate to see our nations cut ties with one another. As a people we have a lot in common...our governments on the other hand, hmmmm.

To be truthful the only folk from Oz I have met that are pessimistic are here on ATS. Everyone else I have met in person are always a optimistic bunch, even in a firefight or argument in a pub.

I always found that a bit odd, but I liked it.

If the government wanted to encourage and promote renewable energies why did the end the subsidies for them?? HMM?

Same reason all temporary subsidies end.

This carbon tax is nothing more than a socialist program aimed at destroying Australia's middle class.

How is this going to destroy the middle class of Australia?

Everyone else I have met in person are always a optimistic bunch, even in a firefight or argument in a pub.

Not this guy lol *WARNING - FOUL LANGUAGE*

reply to post by TDawgRex


But your viewing it from the American perspective where everything in the ANZUS alliance seems rosy. Thats because America benefits from it, they use our soldiers for your wars, use our land for your intelligence and military, and use our political and financial standing to aid in your country's interest.

From an Australian perspective we are making enemies with countries for no reason, being used in your wars and not recieving an inch of recognition, having my own country's interests stopped from American intervention (for example, Australia wanted nuclear devices until America put a stop to it), and now my country's economy is being subverted by American espionage.
The only time America is nice to us is if they need something.
Australia is always nice but you have to agree the alliance only benefits one nation while shafting another.

The US needs to be cut off from Australia completely and have Britain reinstated as its best ally.

Originally posted by aaron2209

If the government wanted to encourage and promote renewable energies why did the end the subsidies for them?? HMM?

Same reason all temporary subsidies end.

This carbon tax is nothing more than a socialist program aimed at destroying Australia's middle class.

How is this going to destroy the middle class of Australia?

But if they wanted to encourage renewable energy than they would use subsidies on companies to encourage them to embrace the technology.
Instead there plan is to put the worlds highest carbon tax on a nation that produces less than 0.00001 % of global emissions. The tax will just be passed onto consumers AKA the Middle Class of Australia.

Originally posted by Jace26

Originally posted by aaron2209

If the government wanted to encourage and promote renewable energies why did the end the subsidies for them?? HMM?

Same reason all temporary subsidies end.

This carbon tax is nothing more than a socialist program aimed at destroying Australia's middle class.

How is this going to destroy the middle class of Australia?

But if they wanted to encourage renewable energy than the would use subsidies on companies to encourage them to embrace the technology.
Instead there plan is to put the worlds highest carbon tax on a nation that produces less than 0.00001 % of global emissions. The tax will just be passed onto consumers AKA the Middle Class of Australia.

Ok. Carbon Tax comes in --> Prices of goods rise --> tax Payers are subsidised --> We can either keep buying the same thing or buy Product X made by Company X that has invested in renewable energies therefore doesn't pay the Carbon Tax therefore their product will be cheaper. Companies not investing in renewable energies are getting hit with the Carbon Tax and if they want to compete in the market will need to change their practices to avoid paying the Carbon Tax in order to sell their products at the same prices as those onboard with renewable energy therefore promoting and encouraging investment in this area.