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Originally posted by justsaying
reply to post by Tecumte
The reason food is not given when someone is close to dying is because when the body is dying the digestive system can no longer digest food. Hospice runs lab tests that checks a specific enzyme (I can't remember what it is) and when it reaches below a certain level, they recommend to the family that no more food be given. Food in the digestive system at this point would just come back up and then the patient runs the risk of aspiration. So, keeping in mind that hospice care is to help make the patient as comfortable as possible for the inevitable, it is in the best interest of the patient to no longer give them food. They aren't hungry and the smell of food is nauseating to them. Fluids are usually given as long as kidney function is still evident. But when kidney failure is occurring, even IV's are discontinued. So while it may seem cruel or cold that the basics of food and water are being withheld from a loved one, from the hospice and medical perspective, they are being allowed to die with as least amount of stress to them as possible and with as much dignity as possible.
Also, morphine is given to keep them as comfortable as possible. Pain, sometimes severe pain, is felt as each body system stops working (example, pleurisy is excruciating pain). The goal of hospice is to help the patient first and foremost, die with as much comfort as possible. This may be hard for some family members to accept, but the most loving act you can do for someone in this situation is to let them go.edit on 20-3-2012 by justsaying because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by justsaying
reply to post by Tecumte
What is stated is a medical fact. I am in my last year of nursing school. I have been through hospice twice with my own parents and also several times in my clinical rotations. Please go educate yourself and read up on the dying process.
Now we see Hospice is Federally funded though Medicare. I have even noticed a pattern with people who were under hospice care. I notice some of the patients needed some assistance who were independent who had cancer or some other terminal illness. They where pretty alert and independent. All of sudden the same thing I hear happening over and over. The nurse gives morphine for the pain at night. The patient goes into a coma and dies. Hospice has been reported to starve patients to death with no food or water. So is Hospice the Euthanasia arm of Obamacare to cull the herd?
Originally posted by BellaSabre
There are two hospices in my town, plus the in-home services. In order to enter one of the hospices you must have a life expectancy of three weeks or less, and two doctors must sign off on the admission papers.
Yes, the morphine kills them fast, because they are already weak and dying, but it shocking sometimes how quickly they die once they get there.
Nonetheless, if I am dying and in pain, I want to be there just to get it over with.
I've had two friends go there. One went into a coma after his first injection, and died 18 hours later. Every time he groaned, they gave him another shot.
The other was conscious until he died two days later after entering hospice, but he was dazed and confused. I was relieved though. He is the type that would panic if he had full realization he was dying.
Originally posted by NeoVain
reply to post by Highergrounds
The old people need to go. It is a sad fact of life, but it is necessary for our survival. The younger generations will be worse off having to take care of all the old people as well as themselves, paying taxes through their nose to pensions and sick-care etc. This is especially true at these economic times we live in right now, and with the 1940-born people "baby boomers" all getting their pensions right about now, it will break the backbone of the economy keeping all these old non-productive people alive. This young doctor probably knew this and wanted to get rid of this old lady so he recommended she was sent to the "morphine house" to die peacefully.
Originally posted by retiredTxn
I can see both sides of the argument for or against Hospice care brings out serious emotions and opinions. My mother had to have a feeding tube placed, and after a week at home, she still was not getting the nutrition she needed. She was readmitted to the hospital, and ultimately the feeding tube had to be removed. At this point she weighed 58 lbs. Her body just would not accept any nutrition whatsoever.
She began experiencing bouts of dementia, and bodily functions started shutting down. It became clear nothing else would help. She wanted to come home. The hardest talk I ever had, was asking if she knew what that would mean. She did, and said she wanted to be in her bedroom at my house during her final days. We contacted a local Hospice provider, made all the arrangements, and brought her home.
This was one of the best weeks of my life. We laughed, cried, called friends and family, she made me sing to her, and we took advantage of every moment. As she started having pain and small strokes, we began administering Morphine. I wanted the time to talk and laugh, but I was not going to allow her to be in pain. Ultimately, it was decided I needed to leave the room, as she seemed to fight going with me in the room. Shortly after I left her room, she passed quietly.
Was this murder or compassion? I know the answer for me, but to some they may feel differently. Prior to this, I had to make the decision to take my brother off of life support. In both of these instances I feel I made the right decision. I just hope someone will be there for me when the decision needs to be made.
Originally posted by Unity_99
Hospice is a wonderful program for most people here It generally means they no longer try to ration pain meds, because the person is deemed as not getting better, so they are made as comforatable as possible, often at home, with care given from the team and family and friends and loved ones around and is a much better way to deal with the situation than in hospital for many people, far more dignity.
Also, if a miracle is going to happen, it can happen in late stages as well.
Does this mean there may not be weird happenings, crimes of family trying to gain inheritance or some odd things, such as the wrong people occasionally in the job and working to have power over others, like prison guards and some social workers, yes, there probably is, and family need to be very protective.
Its supposed about them and the patients rights. Its supposed to empowering and dignified with as high levels as needed for pain medication.