Pentagon says it has no records of bin Laden's death; CIA hasn't answered open records request

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posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 04:12 PM
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WASHINGTON - The hunt for Osama bin Laden took nearly a decade. It could take even longer to uncover U.S. government emails, planning reports, photographs and more that would shed light on how an elite team of Navy SEALs killed the world's most wanted terrorist. Ten months after that electrifying covert mission, an administration that has pledged to be the most transparent in American history is refusing to release documents about it under the Freedom of Information Act. The records could provide insights into how bin Laden died, how the U.S. verified his identity and how it decided to bury him at sea, as well as photographs taken during and after the May 2011 raid on his compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan.


How come the delay on photos already released to the public? Is it the fact that these are "official" requests that make this idea so scary, as opposed to the photos given to the public for consumption?


The Pentagon said it could not find any death certificate, autopsy report or results of DNA identification tests for bin Laden, or any pre-raid materials discussing how the government planned to dispose of bin Laden's body if he were killed. It said it searched files at the Pentagon, U.S. Special Operations Command in Tampa, Fla., and the Navy command in San Diego that controls the USS Carl Vinson, the aircraft carrier used in the mission.


Ok, so we KNOW Bin Laden had doubles, (or the Al-CIAeda had doubles for HIM) so how did the seals team establish that this was in fact THE Bin Laden without any proof of his identity like the ones called for here?

Did they "eye" it? Did they trust a "source" for the supposed greatest manhunt of the 21st century? ow did they declare him dead and gone without any of this info they refuse to acknowledge?


On the AP's request for the helicopter records and equipment reports, the Defense Department invoked what is known as a "Glomar response." The reference dates to the 1970s when the CIA refused to confirm or deny the existence of the Glomar Explorer, a ship the agency used in the attempted salvage of a sunken Soviet submarine. The AP is appealing the Defense Department's decision. The CIA, which ran the bin Laden raid and has special legal authority to keep information from ever being made public, still has not responded to AP's request for records about the mission.


Why the need to basically cover up great PR for Obama? This has already been released as well, why the need for secrecy when it comes to independent confirmation?


The information blackout means that the only public accounts of the mission come from U.S. officials who have described details of that night. In the hours and days after bin Laden's death, the White House provided conflicting versions of events, falsely saying that bin Laden was armed and even firing at the SEALs, misidentifying which of bin Laden's sons was killed, and incorrectly saying bin Laden's wife died in the shootout. President Barack Obama's press secretary attributed the errors to the "fog of combat."


So once again "lack of transparency", despite Obama's say so to the contrary. And also once again, only a "select few" have knowledge of the "truth".


Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., a senior member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said he viewed one photo that showed brain matter coming out of bin Laden's eye socket. Inhofe said others were taken as the body was being prepared for burial at sea and were less jarring. He said Thursday that he favors making at least a few of the less graphic photos public to dispel any doubts that bin Laden is dead. "There are probably still people out there who don't think he was killed," Inhofe said.


Yeah, no #. I wonder why. Who would be crazy to believe those "conspiracy theorists" when it's been complete transparency and facts right from the gate.

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posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 04:34 PM
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a similar article was posted by cbs news...

this seriously pisses me off

The establishment propped Osama up as the worlds boogeyman, face of the war on terror, and mastermind of 911 only to neglect his significance for over 5 years... then declare his death in a raid, dump his body in the ocean (????) 24 hours after finding him.. aaand now they aren't able to provide a SINGLE piece of evidence to cite his death


The information blackout means that the only public accounts of the mission come from U.S. officials who have described details of that night.
As if I trust a word that comes out of their mouth

these #ing liars need to be brought to justice and 911 needs to be investigated independently from scratch



posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 04:34 PM
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All points aside, I'm under the impression that the government is trying to make the pentagon look more credible and trustworthy than they are. It's almost as if they are trying to start some internal feud among government agencies, such as the CIA, FBI, and the military. I will also go further to say that it's almost as if they are trying to "consolidate" agencies of the government to both cut on spending and to conveniently place all power in the hands of the pentagon. I mean, this is essentially what's occurring worldwide anyway... consolidation of powers.

Don't let all the technicalities over Bin Laden's fake death confuse you. That's not the point. That's the distraction. The point is the "disagreement" between CIA and the pentagon. They are creating a reason to fight/separate/cause discord within the government.



posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 04:38 PM
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(sigh) The Pentagon has no records because the Pentagon didn't run this operation. Err... Obama thought of that, or his people did anyway.


If the Pentagon officially ran this raid they would have FOIA records. If CIA or another agency that isn't as well known ran it, then the records essentially have no place in the world of FOIA or anywhere sunlight ever reaches. The CIA regularly and legally refuses to even confirm an entire operation ever existed, let alone the outcome or lives changed/ended by it.

They can file FOIA till the cows come home..and they can blame everyone on Earth for why they get laughed at. In the end, you have people in Defense that recently led Intelligence and people in the White House who figure they personally run them both by their own set of whims and desires.

To expect a legitimate response to a request like this is laughably assuming there is a legal system still functioning to respond. There isn't..and hasn't been for quite awhile. Maybe we can work to change that after the Criminal in Chief is out, but probably not...
Either way, what the CIA does, never happened..and if it did, they never confirm it. If they are forced to confirm it actually happened, nothing for details actually happened.......or if they did..well, you get the idea. I wish 'em all the luck here. They'll need with, combined with the patience of Job.



posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 04:53 PM
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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
(sigh) The Pentagon has no records because the Pentagon didn't run this operation. Err... Obama thought of that, or his people did anyway.


If the Pentagon officially ran this raid they would have FOIA records. If CIA or another agency that isn't as well known ran it, then the records essentially have no place in the world of FOIA or anywhere sunlight ever reaches. The CIA regularly and legally refuses to even confirm an entire operation ever existed, let alone the outcome or lives changed/ended by it.

They can file FOIA till the cows come home..and they can blame everyone on Earth for why they get laughed at. In the end, you have people in Defense that recently led Intelligence and people in the White House who figure they personally run them both by their own set of whims and desires.

To expect a legitimate response to a request like this is laughably assuming there is a legal system still functioning to respond. There isn't..and hasn't been for quite awhile. Maybe we can work to change that after the Criminal in Chief is out, but probably not...
Either way, what the CIA does, never happened..and if it did, they never confirm it. If they are forced to confirm it actually happened, nothing for details actually happened.......or if they did..well, you get the idea. I wish 'em all the luck here. They'll need with, combined with the patience of Job.


I understand what you're saying here, in a very "left-handed" way of speaking, however the problem with your synopsis, (if I'm reading you correctly) is the fact that Obama took credit for it. If this was some "spook" mission, it would've never been made public, but it clearly was, and as such the Pentagon has the absolute right to request this info, and should ALREADY have this info prior to it actually happening.

As for a ways to combining forces, intelligence agencies, etc, that usually comes through screw-ups and castastrophes, (false flags or not) not on sucess stories that no one seems to want to re verify for "some" reason



posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by seenavv
a similar article was posted by cbs news...

this seriously pisses me off

The establishment propped Osama up as the worlds boogeyman, face of the war on terror, and mastermind of 911 only to neglect his significance for over 5 years... then declare his death in a raid, dump his body in the ocean (????) 24 hours after finding him.. aaand now they aren't able to provide a SINGLE piece of evidence to cite his death


The information blackout means that the only public accounts of the mission come from U.S. officials who have described details of that night.
As if I trust a word that comes out of their mouth

these #ing liars need to be brought to justice and 911 needs to be investigated independently from scratch


Which officials? Apparently there has been no live feed of the raid itself, either because it was not provided to the white house to begin with, or because of technical problems.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

I am not sure if the head of the CIA retracted that statement.



posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 05:02 PM
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why would you execute an unarmed bin laden, knowing the information he has could completely dismantle al qaeda.

second, the geneva convention prohibits torture. how will you be able to extract info if he's all lawyered up and awaiting trial on the u.s.s. cole bombings.

this was the problem facing obama.

what would be your solution.

mine would probably be what obama is accused of doing. faking his death, transporting him to an ultra secure black site, give him a confidential source no. to pass the intelligence around, then proceed to extract information from him.

if everybody believes he's dead. no more questions.



posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 05:08 PM
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I MIGHT believe that if in fact OBL was in fact on the FBI's most wanted terrorism watch list. Yet, surprisingly, he never was.

Just like the constant cry about Iran & Israel, even though Ehud Barak & Leion Panetta BOTH say there are no nukes, and now from RT saying even the Mossad is saying it's a fairy tale about Iran, and yet the war drums continue to beat on.

It makes ZERO sense when you have obvious proof of the contrary, yet continue to praddle on as if these facts didn't exist. No one from official sources wish to even acknowledge these facts, yet they continue to make them!

MY aggravation isn't directed at you btw, just the total lobotomy the LSM is performing on the public.



posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 05:12 PM
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Obama is just playing the same game Reagan played with Iran and the Contras and a range of other Presidents have played from the brush fire wars across Africa in the 60's to the brush fire wars across Africa in the 80's. Clever...to have used it in the middle of a perfectly legitimate series of military actions...but hardly an original idea.

He had the best of all worlds.....He could watch the best of the U.S. Military Temporary Duty'ed to Intelligence Agency command...so they vanish off FOIA covered books, yet he can claim all the credit because those were absolutely American soldiers in an American operation. No doubt.....



Try FOIA'ing the Pentagon on the details and operational specifics for what happened within the Phoenix pacification program of the late 1960's in another war. Won't find much.....Does that mean it didn't happen? The U.S. Military wasn't having their Helicopters, fire support bases and troops used?

Of course not... It all just happened on a different set of forms, so one can claim all the credit for success and look stupid with no clue on failure. Both are accurate positions..at the same time. Nice eh? Obama isn't stupid, he's just corrupt to the core. If that raid had gone horribly horribly wrong..and say every last Navy SEAL had been ambushed and captured deep in Pakistan, Obama would NEVER have claimed credit and nothing official would have technically trailed back to him to prove differently.



posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 05:32 PM
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Originally posted by Cassius666

Originally posted by seenavv
a similar article was posted by cbs news...

this seriously pisses me off

The establishment propped Osama up as the worlds boogeyman, face of the war on terror, and mastermind of 911 only to neglect his significance for over 5 years... then declare his death in a raid, dump his body in the ocean (????) 24 hours after finding him.. aaand now they aren't able to provide a SINGLE piece of evidence to cite his death


The information blackout means that the only public accounts of the mission come from U.S. officials who have described details of that night.
As if I trust a word that comes out of their mouth

these #ing liars need to be brought to justice and 911 needs to be investigated independently from scratch


Which officials? Apparently there has been no live feed of the raid itself, either because it was not provided to the white house to begin with, or because of technical problems.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

I am not sure if the head of the CIA retracted that statement.

hahaha this is ridiculous on so many levels... so many contradictions and revisions and conflicting information



posted on Mar, 21 2012 @ 12:49 AM
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Can we all agree that Osama is wearing some sort of face prosthetic (indicated)
by viewing these, and any other picture you care to choose?







Are we all agreed? Good!

Therefore, somebody must be playing the role of the character osama bin laden!
Who could that someone be?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Surely Not!


1. When Obama was running for President the political yard signs read OBAMA BIDEN. Do you know how close that is to OSAMA BIN LADEN. Perhaps someone was trying to tell us something.
2. Obama is left handed and Osama is left handed. I noticed Obama sigining a document on TV with his left hand and quickly searched the internet to find out if Osama Bin Laden is left handed....Guess What. Osama Bin Laden is also left handed.
3. Go to youtube.com and type in for the video: Is Obama Really Osama Bin Laden? Then watch the video. CHILLING...VERY CHILLING...
4. Watch Osama’s hand in any video on the internet and watch Obama’s in a video. Exactly alike!!!!. Long slender brown fingers.
5. Most people think Osama is an old man. Surprise! Their ages are only four years apart and in fact if you go to facebook, his official page supposedly, Obama is exactly Osama’s age: 52. Osama wouldn't even had had to go through much cosmetic surgery. A nose lift with a little filler maybe...Eyelids.That's about it.
6. No official birth certificate has been offered for Obama and Obama has spent plenty of money on lawyers. A lot of websites out there about that. His education records are fuzzy.
7. Osama Bin Laden reported to have chronically low blood pressure. Guess what CNN reported that Obama's blood pressure is 60/90. Very Low. This is not common for a black man.
8,Researched info on blood. Obama in a newspaper article is said to blood type AB...This is the rarest form of blood out there. Then read an interesting line when researching about someone who wrote a book about Obama and was surprised to learn that Obama mostly kept people close to him who had his same blood type in case he needed a transfusion. Still do not know what Osama's blood type was but I would guess from that article it is probably a rare type...he felt safe knowing that if he needed to match his blood type he had the people with his blood type on hand.
9. Tried to research those and found a copy of Osama's Bin Laden's handwriting...signature...The O in his name has a slanted line drawn through it and a couple of other similar marks Obama signature just has a line in it (Probably tried to tone it down, you know since he is President..How many people out there who have an O in their last name put a drawing or slanted line in it?????? Not many, I think.
Don't listen to me...check the facts out on the internet for yourself.
7. The terrorists take pride in their evil ingenious plans. What would be the most ingenious plan ever? For Osama Bin Laden to somehow become President of the United States and run our country run it into the ground from which it may never recover. They are patient people willing to wait years and years to develop their plan....I should know...I ended up renting an apartment to those guys who kept coming in to take flying lessons and dealt with a guy from USF who paid all cash.....I had a bad feeling and had an urge to contact the FBI about my concern but everyone scoffed at me so I remained quiet. I continued to remain quiet and kept my suspicions to myself as there was not much I could do. I remember thinking to myself back in 1996 when I rented the apts to them......if I hear about something like a mall being blown up in Tampa, Florida I'll know who did it......Six months went by and nothing happened....One year went by and nothing happened...I thought to myself well maybe I was wrong...THEN- ---------WHAM------------5 YEARS LATER- 911. After 911 I pulled out all our files in storage and came upon their leases and found a phone bill for $400 (I hired someone else to do the bill collecting so never saw the bill) Most of calls were to Pakistan most at night and calls to large banks in Miami and all over the country...also the head corporation of Hooters...I know because I called all those numbers afterwards (not the Pakistan ones).Pakistan was not even in the news back then. I notified the FBI and emailed them all the documents......It was the first time in my life that I realized their evil was very indeed very real. Stop scoffing and look at the facts and evidence before it's too late.
.....cont



posted on Mar, 21 2012 @ 12:50 AM
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8, What President comes into office and doesn't immediately deal with the real problems surrounding us...Very Serious Problems...Instead he spends months and months developing a health care plan that will turn us into a socialist country so that the government can eventually have complete control over us.
11. Their heights are different supposedly but only by two inches. Osama could have been wearing boots under his robe.Did more research and it seems no one with certainity really knows how tall Osama really is.
12. The only thing left would be dental records of both and handwriting analysis and probably blood type but other than that too many similar characteristics to ignore. Oh, and of course fingerprints. I guess most we will never know...but I stopped most research as everytime I got deeper into the similarities I felt sick to my stomach.
!3. Tried to research those and found a copy of Osama's Bin Laden's handwriting...signature...The O in his name has a slanted line drawn through it and a couple of other similar marks Obama signature just has a line in it (Probably tried to tone it down, you know since he is President..How many people out there who have an O in their last name put a drawing or slanted line in it?????? Not many, I would think.
14. Researched info on blood. Obama in a newspaper article is said to blood type AB...This is the rarest form of blood out there. Then read an interesting line when researching about someone who wrote a book about Obama and was surprised to learn that Obama mostly kept people close to him who had his same blood type in case he needed a transfusion. Still do not know what Osama's blood type was but I would guess from that article it is probably a rare type...he felt safe knowing that if he needed to match his blood type he had the people with his blood type on hand.
15. While in a bookstore I picked up a book written by Obama's first wife who knew him very well. She wrote that he was the healthiest person around...never sick...except when he got Malaria but eventually was cured I think it said...Malaria is very curable. Everyone is under the impression he was a dying man with kidney disease...I would think his first wife would be the one who would know the real condition of Osama's health.
16. The White House Crashers...Perhaps Obama/Osama wanted to show what fools we are and how easy it is to get through any security...even White House Security..Saw Hannity comment when they were discussing the problem..."You know Obama is good friends with so and so head of Bravo.....Bravo were the people who filmed them.After Hannity spoke they all looked at each other like he had just said something extremely important...Guess Obama isn't going to rush that investigation!!!! just like he isn't rushing any investigation of the terrorist attack at Fort Hood ...12/29/09 I heard a newsman comment about why all these terrorists attacks are happening..they are now so courageous because they know the Obama administration won't do much....Also why is it all these terrorist scenes are happening now.?.Could there be a connection...And why would Obama's admin want the terrorist trial in NYC? Perhaps so the terrorist would all be let go and it would be the showdown of the century. If two strangers can make it into the White House, why can't hundreds of prisoners get out of prison especially if Obama is behind it as he probably was with the White House Crashers.
17. Someone tried to register the internit site OsamaBinLaden.com (check it out at who is at internic.com) but the government went after the guy and if you check this out at Internic.com you can read...PROHIBITED...What happened to freedom of speech!!!!! I registered the site Obama-Osama Bin Laden but no one has come to get me.............yet.
18. The man Obama's administration hired for homeland security (Eric Holder) worked with the law firm that defendedmer and still I believe is the defense for the Al Queda Gitmo guys Yep, check it out..
19. The leader of Iran says in an interview that Osama Bin Laden is in the white house. See you tube.
19. The big question is of course...how did Osama suddenly become Obama......I haven't figured that one out, but my only conclusion is if all this is true, then Obama may very well be the supposed AntiChrist and if so this evil one has been able to plot this all out since Jesus's time and I'm sure had plenty of time to figure it out like thousands and thousands of years. Al Queda does not hurry...they are patient to create evil not like us Americans who get impatient when standing in a Macdonald's line.
20. Our President of the United States has a minister that has yelled out in the past..".I hate America!!!!! " A little odd isn't it.
21. Appears Obama might be part of some kind of Muslim Mafia in Chicago. Farrakhan and Bill Ayers lived 4 blocks from Obama.....cont



posted on Mar, 21 2012 @ 12:54 AM
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22. Osama was very well educated having studied religion, economics and management in college. He was a born leader and 911 was ingenius. Evil, but ingenius. He loved excercising and so does Obama.
23. Look at the hand movements of Osama. Very similar gestures to Obama.
EVIL EXISTS WHEN GOOD MEN DO NOTHING.


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Please go through this fascinating thread.

So what have we got here? Something quite large and very compelling, I think!

All the obfuscation and confusion is for a damn good reason.
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posted on Mar, 21 2012 @ 12:59 AM
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Fascinating commentary from the same link as above.

This was posted a few days ago.......



This is an article written by an ex IRS investigator....very interesting:

Trump is correct, Barry Soetoro, AKA Obama is hiding something in his past that is very bad... and it may not be his citizenship. As an IRS tax examiner,one of many former federal jobs, I have seen what it appears Barry Soetoro has done, mostly by illegal aliens attempting to acquire a new identity in the U.S and/or criminals looking to acquire a new ID.

Barry, AKA Obama, was lawfully adopted by a foreign national, Lolo Soetoro, and Barry's name was legally changed to "Barry Soetoro". (Barry’s own admission) Barry Soetoro was also made an official legal Indonesian citizen. (again Barry’s own admission) The adoption would be noted in Barry's vital statistics record in Hawaii on his original birth certificate...

OR Lolo Soetoro may have always been Barry's legal birth farther. The public does not know for sure at this point who Barry's father really was and Barry himself may not know.

Barry was raised as a Muslim in Indonesia and attended a Catholic funded school that permitted all faiths to attend.

Barry's mother dropped him as a dependent for some reason, maybe even when Barry was adopted by Lolo Soetoro. His mother's passport records dropped Barry as a dependent indicating Barry was no longer a legal dependent of his mothers. (The passport records of his mother have been produced showing Barry was no longer a dependent when Barry was permanently residing in Indonesia.) Barry went to Hawaii to live with his alleged grand parents after Lolo Soetoro and Barry's mother divorced.

A "certificate of live birth" can have names changed on it including a child's birth name, and birth parent’s names. Even a modified date of birth can be on a "certificate of live birth". This occurs frequently for adopted children where the birth parent does not want the child to know who they are. The public has no idea who Barry’s real birth father is or who Barry’s real birth mother is. (Barry could have been adopted by his mother) The original birth certificate is the only legal vital statistics record of a person’s birth parents, birth location, birth date, etc… I can get a “certificate of live birth” for a dead person; I cannot get a birth certificate of a dead person without “Deceased” on it. (I’ve tried)

There is no evidence Barry Soetoro ever lawfully changed his name to “Barrack Hussein Obama”. There is no proof Barry Soetoro was born with the name "Barrack Hussein Obama". I’m willing to bet the name “Barrack Hussein Obama” is not present on the real birth certificate as Barry’s birth name or as Barry’s birth father. I have pictures of me with my mother and Jimmy Buffet… that doesn’t make him my father even if I start using the name Jimmy Buffet.

The public knows Barry Soetoro finished high school in Hawaii as Barry Soetoro and attended Occidental as Barry Soetoro where he did drugs and flunked out of school. After dropping out of Occidental, Barry showed up in New York, homeless and on drugs. (Barry’s own admission) Barry then hooked up with a Pakistani to live with and traveled back to Indonesia on his new boyfriend’s dime to renew his Indonesian passport and traveled to Pakistan with him.

Ask any law enforcement officer in a large city or detective and they will tell you homeless young men on drugs in large cities usually end up as male prostitutes. Barry ended up as a world traveler with a degree… (Not likely)

Barry Soetoro returned to New York from Pakistan and began using the fictitious name “Obama” for some reason. (again Barry Soetoro’s own admission) One could only suspect that a person addicted to drugs returning from Pakistan to New York, the main route for Afghan heroin into the U.S., maybe Barry had a reason to start using a new name. There are literally over 1 million open warrants on file in New York… maybe Barry is one of them?....

After spending some time in New York allegedly working under the name “Obama”, It appears Barry used the fictitious name "Barrack Hussein Obama" for the first time to file his federal taxes in Connecticut at a Post Office Box for the purpose of evading paying taxes in New York and /or to establish a new identity. (This is a felony with no statute of limitation.)

When the IRS received Barry Soetoro’s federal tax filing, the IRS could not attach the name Barrack Hussein Obama to the SSI number provided or the address provided. So the IRS assigned the fictitious name "Barrack Hussein Obama" a tax ID number for a person from Connecticut (Where Barry unlawfully filed a federal tax form using a false name). Barry Soetoro began using the tax ID number as his SSI number when using the fictitious name Barrack Obama.....cont



posted on Mar, 21 2012 @ 01:02 AM
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This is why Barry Soetoro has a Connecticut SSI number. When I worked for the IRS, I saw this occur more than once and yes, it is a felony to knowingly file a fraudulent federal tax forms. Most of the politicians that cheat on their taxes claim it was an accident. That is how they get away with their tax cheat crimes. Using a fake name is no accident.

It appears Barry fled New York to Chicago using his new identity to get a job . He likely ordered a fake diploma to bolster his new identity as "Obama". Fake Diploma's were very big in the 80's and diploma mills were even being used by federal workers to get promotions. There is evidence his alleged attendance at Columbia was faked (Barry never attended Columbia) and Barry lied his way into Harvard (he had no transcripts to get in)... Including telling the Saudi royal family he was fighting in Afghanistan with the Muslim Jihad against the Russians, so they would help him get into a law school.

The Saudi's apparently loved Barry's story of Jihad in Pakistan/Afghanistan and paid for Barry to attend Harvard under the name "Obama". The Saudi family has admitted to paying for Obama to attend Harvard and gave Harvard a gift of $20 million dollars. Harvard in turn made their special attendy President of the law review a person that never wrote a single law review.... I guess that is what $20 million buys at Harvard.



It is unlikely Barry was a Jihadist and was most likely a drug mule if anything, maybe even a CIA street hire to haul Afghan heroin back to New York, so the Afghans could buy U.S. made stinger missiles with U.S. dollars to shoot down Russian helicopters?... I hired people over seas to do work below my pay grade all the time, even foreign nationals... I think this is the story Barry told the Saudi's, but he was most likely really just a drug mule/dealer and probably still wanted on an outstanding warrant in New York.

Barry’s selective service registration is not normal either… [link to www.debbieschlussel.com]

After I looked at Barry’s selective service filing I noticed it was most likely fraudulent too based on the name he used. Barry did not start using the name "Obama" until he returned from Pakistan (long after he flunked out of school in California) His selective service record (maintained in Chicago coincidentally) shows he registered at a Hawaiian post office as “Obama” in Sept 1980...

Problem, Barry was getting high in California at Occidental in Sept 1980 (Barry's own admission) and was not using the fictitious name "Obama" at that time. Barry began using the fictitious name "Obama" only after he returned from Pakistan. The selective service filing is fraudulent.

NEW NOTE - On the the Selective Service Registration, Barry did not have the Connecticut Tax ID number he used on the Registration until after he began using the name "Obama" in New York. More evidence his Selective Service filing is fraudulent.

Barry returned to Chicago and attend a semi-christian radical black church with his first female love Michelle. Barry admits keeping in touch with Phil Boener, who traveled to New York from Occidental to be with Barry and was most likely Barry's first love.

Barry still could not get a real job, because he was still a fraud, even with his Harvard degree in hand he could lie and take the Bar exam, but he could not work as a lawyer for a major law firm without a back ground investigation and he would never pass one. So, Michelle got Barry a job at her law firm. Barry never filed a case alone and never filed a motion. He wrote lost of memos according to the law firm where Barry worked. (I think they know Barry is a fraud and don't want to be sued by previous clients) Barry rescinded his law licenses, so as not to be disbarred for fraud. The Bar knows Barry lied on his application. Michelle also had to turn over her law license for her involvement in corruption with the Chicago mayors office.

With time on his hands Barry, a well spoken black man, was able to get elected to a state office, oddly because he looked for fraud in his opponents voter registrations and got his opponent disqualified from running. Barry a well versed liar was a natural in state politics. He used his political influence to get himself a position as a lecturer at Chicago's law school. Barry embellished this position as a "professor of law" which everyone knows is completely false. Barry was not a professor or even a specialist at anything but lying.



On a whim Barry ran for United States Senate for the State of Illinois. Politicians do this all the time to make a name for themselves even if they can't win. At the time the Republican Ryan was a shoe in for the Senate seat, so no real Democrat contenders entered the race, but Barry did...cont



posted on Mar, 21 2012 @ 01:12 AM
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On a fluke after the primary Ryan's wife Jeri Ryan (Seven of nine from Star Trek) went public that her husband was making her have sex with other people while he watched. Ryan dropped out and Alan Keys moved from Maryland to run against Barry Soetoro.

The election got all kinds of press because there was no blacks in the U.S. Senate and one of these black men was going to be a Senator. Alan Keys did his best to warn everyone Barry was not who he claimed to be, but the public saw him as a carpet bagger. Barry kept the lie going and presented himself as a clean black man that talked like a white man... Illinois elected Barry to U.S. Senate. The Democrats had already began scrubbing Barry's back ground when Ryan dropped out.

Phil, Barry's boy friend from Occidental, was found working in California as a communications specialist (receptionist) for a dental hygienist school and given a diploma from Columbia and cover story. The rest of Barry's drug friends were all given jobs or money by the Democrat machine to keep quiet.

Because Barry was such a news maker as the only Black in the Senate, and he could speak like a white man he was made key speaker for the Democrat convention. Barry then decided to run for President to keep the lie going. No one thought to question Barry's back ground in the Democrt party... They helped cover up the ugly back ground. The only person jumping up and down warning Barry was not who he claimed to be was Alan Keys and he was discarded as just an angry loser.

Now we have a complete fraud sitting in the Office of the President. Clearly the most corrupt, inexperienced, and ignorant President in the history of the United States who's only quality is that he can lie with a straight face.

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Folks, All this evidence combined together allows for only one logical and rational
explanation IMO. Are we ready to go there?





posted on Mar, 21 2012 @ 01:55 AM
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There are far too many versions of the raid,what gets me is despite all of the inconsistencies people buy into the various versions simply because some one with an official title said so.As for the Obama/Osama thread it's one of the most asinine things I have ever read...



posted on Mar, 21 2012 @ 03:24 AM
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Top US Government Insider Says Bin Laden Died In 2001 & 9/11 A False Flag


Top US Government Insider Says Bin Laden Died In 2001 & 9/11 A False Flag ... Life is apparently more complicated for the power elite in the era of the "Internet Reformation." An alternative news site run by Alex Jones is carrying a report that a top US government insider says Bin Laden died a decade ago and that 9/11 was carried out with the cooperation of the US government. Alex Jones runs a family of prominent alternative news sites including several that are highly controversial from a mainstream standpoint. On occasion, reports have had to be retracted (in much the same manner as mainstream sites) but presumably this report, given its high profile, is accurate both from Jones' point of view and Pieczenik's.

Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, has told Jones that Osama bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job. He made the comments on the Alex Jones program.

Pieczenik says the US government KNEW Bin Laden was dead before they invaded Afghanistan!


www.infowars.com...
Pieczenik said that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001, “Not because special forces had killed him, but because as a physician I had known that the CIA physicians had treated him and it was on the intelligence roster that he had marfan syndrome,” adding that the US government knew Bin Laden was dead before they invaded Afghanistan.

Marfan syndrome is a degenerative genetic disease for which there is no permanent cure. The illness severely shortens the life span of the sufferer.

“He died of marfan syndrome, Bush junior KNEW about it!, the intelligence community knew about it,” said Pieczenik, noting how CIA physicians had visited Bin Laden in July 2001 at the American Hospital in Dubai.

“He was already very sick from marfan syndrome and he was already dying, so nobody had to kill him,” added Pieczenik, stating that Bin Laden died shortly after 9/11 in his Tora Bora cave complex.

“Did the intelligence community or the CIA doctor up this situation, the answer is yes, categorically yes,” said Pieczenik, referring to Sunday’s claim that Bin Laden was killed at his compound in Pakistan, adding, “This whole scenario where you see a bunch of people sitting there looking at a screen and they look as if they’re intense, that’s NONSENSE,” referring to the images released by the White House which claim to show Biden, Obama and Hillary Clinton watching the operation to kill Bin Laden live on a television screen.

“It’s a total make-up, make believe, we’re in an American theater of the absurd….why are we doing this again….nine years ago this man was already dead….why does the government repeatedly have to LIE to the American people,” asked Pieczenik.

“Osama Bin Laden was totally dead, so there’s NO way they could have attacked or confronted or killed Osama Bin laden,” said Pieczenik, joking that the only way it could have happened was if special forces had attacked a mortuary.

Pieczenik said that the DECISION to LAUNCH the HOAX now was made because Obama had REACHED a LOW with plummeting approval ratings and the fact that the birther issue was BLOWING up in his FACE!

“He had to "prove" that he was more than American….he had to be aggressive,” said Pieczenik, adding that the farce was also a way of isolating Pakistan as a retaliation for intense opposition to the Predator drone program, which has killed hundreds of Pakistanis.

“This is ORCHESTRATED, I mean when you have people sitting around and watching a sitcom, basically the operations center of the White House, and you have a president coming out almost zombie-like telling you they just killed Osama Bin Laden who was already dead nine years ago,” said Pieczenik, calling the episode, “the greatest falsehood I’ve ever heard, I mean it was absurd.”

Dismissing the government’s account of the assassination of Bin Laden as a “sick joke” on the American people, Pieczenik said, “They are so desperate to make Obama viable, to negate the fact that he may not have been born here, any questions about his background, any irregularities about his background, to make him look assertive….to re-elect this president so the American public can be duped once again.”

Pieczenik’s assertion that Bin Laden died almost ten years ago is echoed by numerous intelligence professionals as well as heads of state across the world.

Bin Laden, “Was used in the same way that 9/11 was used to mobilize the emotions and feelings of the American people in order to go to a war that had to be justified through a narrative that Bush junior created and Cheney created about the world of terrorism,” stated Pieczenik.

During his interview with the Alex Jones Show yesterday, Pieczenik also asserted he was directly told by a prominent general that 9/11 was a Stand Down and a false flag operation, and that he is prepared to go to a grand jury to reveal the general’s name.

“They ran the attacks,” said Pieczenik, naming Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Stephen Hadley, Elliott Abrams, and Condoleezza Rice amongst others as having been directly involved.

“It was called a stand down, a false flag operation in order to mobilize the American public under false pretenses….it was told to me even by the general on the staff of Wolfowitz – I will go in front of a federal committee and swear on perjury who the name was of the individual so that we can break it open,” said Pieczenik, adding that he was “furious” and “knew it had happened”.

“I taught stand down and false flag operations at the national war college, I’ve taught it with all my operatives so I knew exactly what was done to the American public,” he added.

Pieczenik re-iterated that he was perfectly willing to reveal the name of the general who told him 9/11 was an inside job in a federal court, “so that we can unravel this thing legally, not with the stupid 9/11 Commission that was absurd.”

Pieczenik explained that he was not a liberal, a conservative or a tea party member, merely an American who is deeply concerned about the direction in which his country is heading.

Watch and listen to this The Alex Jones show: Interview with Steve Pieczenik, were he explained that Bin Laden died in 2001
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posted on Mar, 21 2012 @ 03:42 AM
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Originally posted by schadenfreude
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I MIGHT believe that if in fact OBL was in fact on the FBI's most wanted terrorism watch list. Yet, surprisingly, he never was.


What are you talking about? Of course he was. He was #1. Check your sources.

But strangely he was never listed as being wanted for 9/11. Only the 93 WTC bombing and the attack on the USS Cole. Never got that one at all.



posted on Mar, 21 2012 @ 05:57 AM
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Originally posted by Anunaki10
Top US Government Insider Says Bin Laden Died In 2001 & 9/11 A False Flag

In this interview a local witness in Pakistan very much doubt that Bin Laden lived in Pakistan.
In this interview Radio host Stephen Lendman confirm that Bin Laden died in 2001
In this interview investigative reporter Webster Tarpley confirm that Bin Laden have been dead for a long time.
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