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Originally posted by ANOK
reply to post by lunarasparagus
You know there is a huge difference in thinking a building is going to collapse, and one that falls mostly in its own footprint mimicking an implosion demolition exactly.
So sorry all that text proves nothing at all.
The thing you all keep ignoring, that you keep hand waving away, is the fact that WTC7 landed mostly in its own footprint. That is what the discussion of WTC7's collapse should focus on, not what Larry or the fire fighters said.
What people say can be interpenetrated in different ways, as this thread shows.
But you can't argue that the post collapse pics of WTC 7 show outer walls folded in on top of the rest of the collapsed building, there are plenty of pics that show this. That is only achieved with implosion style demolition. You can argue till you're blue in your face that that is not true, I don't care, you're not here to have a reasonable discussion and except facts as facts.
CRAIG BARTMER NYPD: "I walked around it (Building 7). I saw a hole. I didn't see a hole bad enough to knock a building down, though. Yeah there was definitely fire in the building, but I didn't hear any... I didn't hear any creaking, or... I didn't hear any indication that it was going to come down. And all of a sudden the radios exploded and everyone started screaming 'get away, get away, get away from it!'... It was at that moment... I looked up, and it was nothing I would ever imagine seeing in my life. The thing started pealing in on itself... Somebody grabbed my shoulder and I started running, and the #'s hitting the ground behind me, and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... Yeah it had some damage to it, but nothing like what they're saying... Nothing to account for what we saw...
Originally posted by Myendica
Exactly thickoftheshade..
She says pull it as slang describing how she brings it down.
Evacuation
Building 7 was supposedly evacuated around 9 AM. The area around the building was evacuated in the hour before the collapse. Photographer Tom Franklin, who took the famous photograph of firemen raising the American flag, said:
Firemen evacuated the area as they prepared for the collapse of Building Seven. 1
There are no photographs that show large fires in Building 7. Tom Franklin did not take any photos of the building before heeding firemen's orders to evacuate the area. Had there been large fires, one would expect that the professional photographer would have documented them.
Originally posted by plube
reply to post by Six Sigma
no m8....that is in a normal demolition....guess what...where windows are removed...furniture taken out.....the building completely emptied of flying debris....where the sound can travel.....but was this the case...simply no...the explosions would have been muffled.....simple as.
i love how people talk about normal CD......this was not a normal cd now was it.....so when a person looks at it so blindly....why not ask yourself a few questions....and think...IF it was a CD....was it a normal CD.....guess what....IT wasn't.....the buildings were a sealed buildings....and they were steel.....
as far as the term pull it.....that can be argued till the cows come home....
what can't be argued....3 steel structures came down on one day ....
.where one of them was not even hit by a plane....
wtc 4,5,6, were all much more severely damaged and guess what they did not come down.
Originally posted by Danbones
reply to post by TrickoftheShade
that would be your style of illogic and again you would be wrong
the vid spoke for you
- Truthers think they know better than experienced firefighters
- Truthers' logic dictates that FDNY must be implicated in the demolition.
Do you really believe that they were - and are - in on the conspiracy?
Originally posted by Cassius666
Wow already 26 sites.
Pull it is slang. You will find demolition people who use the therm in the context of setting off a demolition and you will find people who use it in a different context. Do firefighters use the therm too, as in pulling it (an ongoing operation)? When did this interview take place?
CRAIG BARTMER NYPD: "I walked around it (Building 7). I saw a hole. I didn't see a hole bad enough to knock a building down, though. Yeah there was definitely fire in the building, but I didn't hear any... I didn't hear any creaking, or... I didn't hear any indication that it was going to come down. And all of a sudden the radios exploded and everyone started screaming 'get away, get away, get away from it!'... It was at that moment... I looked up, and it was nothing I would ever imagine seeing in my life. The thing started pealing in on itself... Somebody grabbed my shoulder and I started running, and the #'s hitting the ground behind me, and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... Yeah it had some damage to it, but nothing like what they're saying... Nothing to account for what we saw...
This would be a far more interesting account, seen as there is no guessworking of context in the words used.edit on 25-3-2012 by Cassius666 because: (no reason given)
After being shown the footage of WTC 7 collapsing Jowenko stated “This is a controlled demolition carried out by a team of experts.”
At the time Jowenko did not know that he was watching footage from September 11th 2001 and responded in disbelief when the reporters explained what the footage was.
In 2007 reports began to circulate that Jowenko had retracted his stance on the footage of WTC7, however, he reaffirmed his previous opinion in a phone call with blogger Jeff Hill, noting “When the FEMA makes a report that it came down by fire, and you have to earn your money in the States as a controlled demolition company and you say, ‘No, it was a controlled demolition’, you’re gone. You know?”...
...A Dutch building demolition expert who went on record as saying he believed that World Trade Center building Seven was brought down in a controlled demolition, has been reported killed in a car accident.