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please do now twist my words for your own agenda.
Originally posted by ipsedixit
Originally posted by Varemia
How exactly are you sure of this? Eyewitnesses said they saw fires burning on upwards of 20 floors of damaged building.
Just briefly, this is a murky area. Eyewitnesses have testified to bombs going off in the building also. I think WTC7, like the twin towers was subjected to an ongoing explosive demolition process that culminated in the classic drop into it's own foot print in the late afternoon.
Originally posted by longjohnbritches
Originally posted by Varemia
Originally posted by ipsedixit
This is a common misunderstanding among people who believe the so-called "official story". There were a few fires burning in the building but not a general conflagration. Things appeared to be much worse than they were because smoke from the fews fires in the building must have migrated through the ventilation system so that it seemed to be gushing from everywhere, but there were few flames seen.
How exactly are you sure of this? Eyewitnesses said they saw fires burning on upwards of 20 floors of damaged building.
Hi var
I am pretty sure this has been covered throughly back in the thread.
Find the posts that document Barry Jennings accounts of bombs going off in Building Number Seven.
That explains how there was inital weakening to the internal structure and some fire but not much because he was still in there climbing around in all that mess without breathng equipment.
These bomb blasts would pave the way for the final blow to the tower, administered by Larry.
You see it is not hard to understand.
Notice how I managed to say that with out insults.
Originally posted by Danbones
please do now twist my words for your own agenda.
the whole thread is a twisting of words to suit ....
Originally posted by Varemia
Originally posted by longjohnbritches
Originally posted by Varemia
Originally posted by ipsedixit
This is a common misunderstanding among people who believe the so-called "official story". There were a few fires burning in the building but not a general conflagration. Things appeared to be much worse than they were because smoke from the fews fires in the building must have migrated through the ventilation system so that it seemed to be gushing from everywhere, but there were few flames seen.
How exactly are you sure of this? Eyewitnesses said they saw fires burning on upwards of 20 floors of damaged building.
Hi var
I am pretty sure this has been covered throughly back in the thread.
Find the posts that document Barry Jennings accounts of bombs going off in Building Number Seven.
That explains how there was inital weakening to the internal structure and some fire but not much because he was still in there climbing around in all that mess without breathng equipment.
These bomb blasts would pave the way for the final blow to the tower, administered by Larry.
You see it is not hard to understand.
Notice how I managed to say that with out insults.
This has been covered dozens of times. Based on his account and the fact that he was nowhere near a window when he was in the building before the towers collapsed, the "bombs" he experienced 7 HOURS before the building collapsed were actually debris from the North Tower hitting the buildi
ng.
I have not used any insults here either. I just get very irritated at the parrot-like repetition of these lies.
Originally posted by Danbones
God Ol Dave isn't a truther
by definaition
That means if he wants to he can just make stuff up
there is a link to a google search which turned up over 50,000 examples back there on the thread that says how the term pull has been used and since when
Originally posted by GoodOlDave
Originally posted by Danbones
please do now twist my words for your own agenda.
the whole thread is a twisting of words to suit ....
Just how am I "twisting words", exactly? I am only going by what the conspiracy people are saying in that "Pull it" is demilitions industry lingo for bringing down a building with controlled demolitions and another poster here shows from a demolitions text book that isn't true- it's pulling a building down with cables. I'm trying to explore the multiple contradictions (I.E WTC 7 wasn't pulled down with cables and the NYFD doesn't even do demolitions), because clearly the conspiracy people don't want to do it.
After all, if the conspiracy people are so adamant there is such an incredible significance with his saying pull IT instead of pull THEM then you'll likewise need to be knowledgable about the incredible significance between "blowing up a building" and "pulling it down with cables". Otherwise if you're just going to make up whatever you want that suits your purpose then you might as well just accuse Silverstein of murdring 343 firefighters with an ax.
"the whole thread"
Originally posted by ipsedixit
Just briefly, this is a murky area. Eyewitnesses have testified to bombs going off in the building also. I think WTC7, like the twin towers was subjected to an ongoing explosive demolition process that culminated in the classic drop into it's own foot print in the late afternoon.
Originally posted by Danbones
re the OP
"Pull" as I posted soooo many links for
is a euphamism for CONTROLLED DEMOLITION
which is one of the most important functions of cables ...
CONTROL..
its jargon and thats how jargon evolves
In extractive demolition
normally even with a ball or when they are cutting
they try for the supports at the earliest point because gravity is quik and cheap...
and cables make it fall where you want
it also earsier to take certain types of construction apart on the ground
especially if there are materials to be recycled
the use has grown with the industry as buildings and their demolition have evolved
( over a couple hundrered years )
Originally posted by ipsedixit
Originally posted by Six Sigma
1. Who was he talking to?
Who is who talking to?
He's talking to a PBS interviewer.
He's talking to one of the FDNY chiefs. I think the name is actually mentioned in the original PBS video. To my knowledge, that person has never commented about this conversation with Silverstein.
2. If it was in fact the FDNY, how does the fire department CD a skyscraper?
They don't. It would have to be done by a company with the proper certifications and permits. I think Silverstein is having something of a brain cramp in front of the cameras, which he tries to recover from.
3. When they made the decision to pull (and your taking Larry's word on this) How can you CD a building burning out of control?
This is a common misunderstanding among people who believe the so-called "official story". There were a few fires burning in the building but not a general conflagration. Things appeared to be much worse than they were because smoke from the fews fires in the building must have migrated through the ventilation system so that it seemed to be gushing from everywhere, but there were few flames seen.
4. NOW...If these bombs were pre-planted, how did the perps know that WTC 7 was going to be damaged enough to start the fires that would give them an excuse to "pull"?
Some people believe that the flight that was brought down in Pennsylvania was meant for building 7. WTC7 would have been damaged in a manner similar to the towers, if Flt. 93 had arrived in Manhattan.
The fires in the building are suspicious anyway. What would have ignited them. Were other buildings in Manhattan, that were not part of the WTC set on fire by debris? I'm just asking. I'm not aware of any that were.
Originally posted by longjohnbritches
Hi var,
I understand about the insults. I wasn't directing that at you.
I have been censored on some posts .
What I was doing was trying to actually remind myself not to do any of that. I should put it in my signature. lol
No sense going in circles with you about Barry and Larry.
I get it perhaps one day you will also.
thanks for the reply
ljb
Originally posted by Myendica
Exactly thickoftheshade.. She says pull it as slang describing how she brings it down. To not damage surrounding buildings.. You d the same thing with a 47 storry building in the middle of ay city, especially nyc.edit on 23-3-2012 by Myendica because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Myendica
reply to post by Varemia
pull it down is pull it. Like.. You guys know how to read? What do you get out of playing ignorant? I know you arent this blind.. "you pull it down". "might as well just go ahead an pull it". They equal the same outcome. Pull something down. The whole interview was about controlld demo. So unless theres an exact technique called "pull it".. You wont accept that "pull it" means "pull that building down."? I mean.. Im just floored.. No one is ... I mean... Come on... U should be banned.. There needs be a litmus test for this forum. Fireal.. Thick of the head. I swear.. "and then it pulls in on itself.".edit on 23-3-2012 by Myendica because: (no reason given)
A lot of people, when they see a building implosion, expect it to go into its own basement, which is not always what the contractor wants. Sometimes the contractor wants to lay the building out like a tree. And, sometime, we need to bring down buildings that are actually touching other buildings.
NOVA: How do you do that?
SL: Well, you just pull it away, you peel it off. If you have room in the opposite direction, you just let the building sort of melt down in that direction and it will pull itself completely away from the building. It can be done.
Originally posted by Myendica
Exactly thickoftheshade.. She says pull it as slang describing how she brings it down. To not damage surrounding buildings.. You d the same thing with a 47 storry building in the middle of ay city, especially nyc.edit on 23-3-2012 by Myendica because: (no reason given). Some of you could have gwbush tell you in person that he planned it and you would still seell the os. And g.o.d.... Whats your other member name here? I cant imagine someone would star every mindless thing you spewed..edit on 23-3-2012 by Myendica because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by longjohnbritches
reply to post by Varemia
The only way is to go point for point.
agree or disagree.
It is an easy process.
But even once I prove to you that what Barry Jennings said was true.And bombs or at least one big one was the begining of the end of ole 7
It wouldn't matter because this Dave wants to be about Larry.
And that cat has been wooped enough in this thread already.