Originally posted by OldCurmudgeon
Not arguementively, but I've seen tangible evidence of evolution in many plants and animals...
I've never seen tangible evidence of creation, just belief in individuals.
I Believe that there is a Creator, but what do you mean with your last sentence? Jesus' followers are going to be given new bodies.
Originally posted by EnochWasRight
Is it even possible to deny a Creator based on our current understanding of information entropy, collapsing wave function and genetics? Obviously, consciousness is at the heart of all we know. Consciousness preexists matter in a form to purpose. The acorn is the enfolded oak tree of information to form. This is engineering and design. When you realize this, see your own information as either saved or lost by the blueprint we are given as a gift. The information to translate your essence beyond the material is available.
I left the quote from Newton out because that one has a lot left to interpretation (mostly semantics though), and I had a feeling people in this thread would try to skew it one way or the other, but thank you at least for being civil in your response.
Originally posted by rhinoceros
reply to post by ArrowsNV
You forgot the other quote from the same page
But with regard to the material world, we can at least go so far as this - we can perceive that events are brought about not by insulated interpositions of Divine power, exerted in each particular case, but by the establishment of general laws.
I don't personally see the need for a divine power behind the curtains (IMO it makes the model ever so more complex), but if that's where your God is, I'm totally fine with it. It's not that irrational stance. Irrationality is, when creationists and ID/Ancien Alien advocates refuse to accept reality, which is, that life on this planet evolved more-or-less as modern synthesis puts it. To argue otherwise sans new ground breaking evidence is but a display of ignorance (and often symptom of years of brainwashing).edit on 20-3-2012 by rhinoceros because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by EnochWasRight
Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
reply to post by EnochWasRight
I have to agree with other posters here... all he's doing is saying "wow look how complex these biological systems are, they must have been designed consciously". It's the same argument the Mormons try to give me when ever they visit. Clearly he lacks a true understanding of how evolution works, and why the solutions designed by evolution are so far beyond our comprehension. Anyone who thinks these things can't be a result of evolution doesn't understand evolution at all.edit on 20-3-2012 by ChaoticOrder because: (no reason given)
Do explain how evolution works. Give me some science behind the theory.
Actually we can know, and the answer is extremely obvious when you think about it.
I guess if we were to simplify this whole thread it would boil down to the eternal question:
What came first? The chicken or the egg?
The answer to which we will never know, so stop bickering about it.
Originally posted by prevenge
I say if there is an intelligent hand in play.... in designing organisms.. (ourselves included)..
then the "team" of "designers"... who included "DYNAMIC ADAPTATION" into their coding ... would be the winners..
Originally posted by EnochWasRight
Originally posted by Auricom
I didn't watch the video, but it's hard for *ME* to say that evolution or creationism is false. *I* don't know. I'm an open kind of guy, and I find it completely idiotic to mock one or another. It goes against everything I believe in. Like keeping an open mind. How much do we really know? We don't even know what's in our oceans... So what does that really say about us?
We're "stupid" in the grand scheme of things. To deny there is a god is as stupid as claiming there was never such a thing as dinosaurs.
I don't really know where I'm going with this post, but in order for us to mature as a people, we need to realize there will ALWAYS be things beyond our current understanding and instead of denying that fact, embrace it one way or another.
Hope I made some sense.
The wonderful thing about our day and age is this: We have the tools to know, yet we lack the ability to overcome bias. I agree with you on the point. The part I disagree with is that we cannot know. We can know if we are open to the possibility that a very old book tells us the truth. See my previous post above.
Originally posted by SplitInfinity
EVOLUTION is no longer a theory it is a Fact.
Is it even possible to deny a Creator based on our current understanding of information entropy
Originally posted by ArrowsNV
But someone had to 'write' or define those laws (imo) just as we humans write our laws, no?
I guess it really boils down to believing whether or not we (the universe) just popped into existence with the big bang, or if some driving force was behind the bang.
Take a look at how "evolutionary algorithms" can create code which is beyond our comprehension.
These trial and error systems can develop techniques of solving problems
Mother nature has a way of solving problems...
we can't even begin to understand because they are so far out of the box. It's a mindless system that relies on trial and error.
This is where people get confused. They just can't understand how a mindless process can result in such intricate and complicated things, because usually the world doesn't work like that. Usually the watch maker creates the watch. Usually the potter creates the pot. The creator is always more complex than the creations. It's a top down paradigm of creation, something complex can only arise from something more complex. It's perfectly rational reasoning on the surface, it seems absurd to say that the process might also work the other way around, where something as simple as repetitive trial and error can result in things so complicated, it seems beyond reasoning.... but it isn't, because that's exactly what happens when you let that process run for long enough.
Computers allow us to speed up that process and watch it happen in real time, it shows us that some simple rules can produce things which are enormously complex. Complexity arises out of simplicity. Everything complicated in this world is actually founded on a base of extremely simple rules, executed in such a way that results in a very complex systems. When you understand the underlying rule sets you can extrapolate from there and understand the entire nature of the complex systems that result from those simple rules. For example, the English language is based on a very simple set of letters, but when they are used together in certain ways they can create vastly complex and meaningful pieces of writing.
Originally posted by Truth_Hz
Not sure if anyone has pointed this out yet but in complete contradiction to the OP Title:
1. In no place in the video does the "Credible Scientist" state that Evolution is a Lie
2. The "Credible Scientist" is in fact not a scientist at all, he is a medical visualisation artist, He uses data gathered from medical imaging technology to visualise the human anatomy and produce breathtaking animations nothing more.....