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The Masonic/Illuminati Agenda According to Albert Pike:Three World Wars and The NWO

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posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 08:25 AM
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If you don't know who Albert Pike is then you don't know anything about the true agenda of the Masons and the Illuminati. I am going to reveal to you some information about Mr. Pike, information which all the Masonic members of this web site will deny or try to discredit, but what's so new about that?

The info I will be discussing comes from many websites (I know, you can't trust everything you read on the web), but the main web site, which has certainly "done its homework," is found at this address:
www.threeworldwars.com... I strongly suggest that you go to this web site and read all you can before it gets shut down.

Thank you to the people at threeworldwars for sharing the truth with us. Here are just a few of the "highlights" from this awesome site:

#1) "Very few outsiders know about the intimate plans of Albert Pike and the architects of the New World Order.
In the 19th Century Albert Pike established the framework for bringing about the One World Order. It is a blueprint which we believe unseen leaders are following today, knowingly or not, to engineer the planned Third and Final World War.

#2) " Pike was said to be a Satanist, who indulged in the occult, and he apparently possessed a bracelet which he used to summon Lucifer, with whom he had constant communication."

#3) Pike's right-hand man was Phileas Walder, from Switzerland, who was a former Lutheran minister, a Masonic leader, occultist, and spritualist. Pike also worked closely with Giuseppe Mazzini of Italy (1805-1872) who was a 33rd degree Mason, who became head of the Illuminati in 1834, and who founded the Mafia in 1860."

#4) Albert Pike intended to use the Palladian Rite to create a Satanic umbrella group that would tie all Masonic groups together.

#5) Albert Pike died on April 2, 1891, and was buried in Oak Hill Cemetery, although the corpse of Pike currently lies in the headquarters of the Council of the 33rd degree of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry in Washington, D.C.

#6) Adam Weishaupt (1748-1811) formed the Order of Perfectibilists on May1, 1776 (to this day celebrated as May Day) which later became known as te Illuminati." "........Wieshaupt's background as a Jesuit seems to have influenced the actual character of the Society, such that the express aim of this Order became to abolish Christianity, and overturn all civil goverment."

#7) Pike was fascinated by the idea of a one world government, and when asked by Mazzini, readily agreed to to write a ritual tome that guided the transition from average high-ranking mason into a top-ranking Illuminati Mason (33rd degree)." .......Mazzini's intention was that once a Mason had made his way up the Freemason ladder and proven himself worthy, the highest ranking members would offer membership to the secret "society within a society." "It is for this reason that most Freemasons vehemently deny the eveil intentions of their fraternity. Since the vast majority never reach the 30th degree, they would not be aware of the real purpose behind Masonry."

I will stop here, but again, I strongly suggest that you go to this web site and read the whole thing.

Have a great day, Ladies and Gentlemen.




posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 08:29 AM
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bad link...

threeworldwars.com...



posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 08:48 AM
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Until someone can explain what a One World Government is and what reason we should have for being afraid of it, I think we should stop assuming that every time we hear "NWO" that it always implies the final end-game!

If I am not mistaken, it seems that we are now connected more than ever. Small problems that could only affect small countries can now affect the entire globe, revolutions can be started from cell phones. On the flip side: Arab Springs can be arranged from cell phones and Dictators overthrown with Facebook and Tweets from Twitter.

Techonology is advancing at an alarming rate but it is also providing benefits to ppl who had little less than nothing 20 years ago.

If the point of an NWO takeover was to systematically kill, depopulate, enslave, etc., I think "those in power" have either gotten the wrong memo, or they simply dont know how to enslave a population. Why allow the tools for quick info dissemination? Why find cures? Why modify food to produce larger yields on less land? Why look for alternative energy sources? Why allow Conspiracy Theorists like Alex Jones and forums like this to provide warnings to ppl? Why lie about Aliens, UFO's and possibly God?

I simply feel it does no good to think we are being systematically manipulated and controlled. There are tons of ppll that are living fantastics lives and enjoying freedom. Ppl are living longer and becoming connected quicker. Is there really a problem with that?

It seems that the conspiracy should be that; we should think of ourselves as destitute, no matter what we have. And if we have it, then worry about why others live in destitution. This is pessimism of the worst kind. And it is programmed, not by "the powers that be," but by Evolution, and then perhaps manipulated by conspiracy theorists to make some BELIEVE its "the powers that be" are the ones causing all the problems.
I will admit, there are some billions of poor and broken homes, dying starved, no access to food, water and shelter, poor education. But what real good does it do to assume this was the way "they" planned it? To me this is a cop out attitude towards the problems of the world. While there are great ppl doing everything in their power to try to correct these problems. You may easily dismiss guys like Bill gates and Mark Zuckerberg. But these guys are doing what conspiracy theorists say is not possible. Providing upgrades to water services and education.

In the end, pessimism is a great challenge. But it can be overcome. The world can be beautiful, but your attitude MUST change first!



posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 08:53 AM
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Actually the Mazzini-Pike correspondence is a hoax known officially as the Taxil Hoax.

I'll be on more in a bit. I have class right now.
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posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 09:39 AM
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HERE is a nice bit of information about the hoax that the OP is discussing.


Or, how Michael Haupt said, that William Guy Carr said, that Cardinal Caro y Rodriguez of Santiago, Chile said, that The Cause of World Unrest said, that the confessed hoaxer Gabriel Jogand-Pagès aka Dr. Bataille aka Leo Taxil said about Albert Pike and Giuseppe Mazzini in Le diable au XIXe siècle, v. II, 1894, p. 605 (but actually pp. 594-606). Got it?


Have a nice day.



posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by ConspiracyFearist22
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Until someone can explain what a One World Government is and what reason we should have for being afraid of it, I think we should stop assuming that every time we hear "NWO" that it always implies the final end-game!




I think the big issue is know one knows what the NWO could be exactly.Its the possible end game for laws and rights that soverign nations may cherish to this day that have some worried.


If I am not mistaken, it seems that we are now connected more than ever. Small problems that could only affect small countries can now affect the entire globe, revolutions can be started from cell phones. On the flip side: Arab Springs can be arranged from cell phones and Dictators overthrown with Facebook and Tweets from Twitter.


Yes, more information is being exchanged and more privacy is being taken away. All of which you mentioned above is easily monitored.



Techonology is advancing at an alarming rate but it is also providing benefits to ppl who had little less than nothing 20 years ago.


Again, look at the privacy issues as well. Its not solely benefits here. Look how many rights we've given up in the past decade let alone 20 years...


If the point of an NWO takeover was to systematically kill, depopulate, enslave, etc., I think "those in power" have either gotten the wrong memo, or they simply dont know how to enslave a population.


I beg to differ.The wars, violence, and corruption are still happening. Each killing or war may not openly be affiliated with a verbal NWO tag by a government official or newspaper headline but it doesnt mean its not part of a systematic plan.


Why allow the tools for quick info dissemination? Why find cures? Why modify food to produce larger yields on less land? Why look for alternative energy sources? Why allow Conspiracy Theorists like Alex Jones and forums like this to provide warnings to ppl? Why lie about Aliens, UFO's and possibly God?



Others have seen what is and asked why. I have seen what could be and asked why not. - Robert F. Kennedy



I simply feel it does no good to think we are being systematically manipulated and controlled. There are tons of ppll that are living fantastics lives and enjoying freedom. Ppl are living longer and becoming connected quicker. Is there really a problem with that?


Of course not, but its wrong to turn a blind eye to an issue(s) because Twitter and Facebook came out...



It seems that the conspiracy should be that; we should think of ourselves as destitute, no matter what we have. And if we have it, then worry about why others live in destitution. This is pessimism of the worst kind. And it is programmed, not by "the powers that be," but by Evolution, and then perhaps manipulated by conspiracy theorists to make some BELIEVE its "the powers that be" are the ones causing all the problems.


When its brought up by Presidents and various other influential people in society, its more of a curiousity than pessimism.


I will admit, there are some billions of poor and broken homes, dying starved, no access to food, water and shelter, poor education.


But atleast they have Facebook, right?



But what real good does it do to assume this was the way "they" planned it?


Its not about assuming, not everyone atleast, its about questioning and searching for the answer. If they were born, why not have a chance to live?


To me this is a cop out attitude towards the problems of the world. While there are great ppl doing everything in their power to try to correct these problems. You may easily dismiss guys like Bill gates and Mark Zuckerberg. But these guys are doing what conspiracy theorists say is not possible. Providing upgrades to water services and education.

In the end, pessimism is a great challenge. But it can be overcome. The world can be beautiful, but your attitude MUST change first!


Theres no reason it shouldnt be discussed. As a topic in whole, 'the problems of the world' vary.The attitude of always following and never questioning is not what we are as people or atleast shouldnt be...


Every dictatorship has ultimately strangled in the web of repression it wove for its people, making mistakes that could not be corrected because criticism was prohibited. - Robert F. Kennedy


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posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 11:12 AM
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I'm new to forums like this so I'm not exactly sure how to quote sections but besides that, great job disecting my lines and providing adequate response.

In response to the questions I asked about NWO; The video by Bush doesnt sum up the fearful aspect of what the perceived conspiracy idea of "NWO" is. So how do we get from that video to "NWO - the world takeover?"

You make mention of no knowing what NWO might be, but also assume that it may have something to do with overthrowing laws in place right now. I guess my questions should be; Should those laws be immutable? Are those laws perfect? Should they be subject to scrutiny and eventually changed if they dont provide the protection they once did? And why do we assume that this "NWO" is a bad thing based on that?

Reference to info dissemination; "Yes, more information is being exchanged and more privacy is being taken away. All of which you mentioned above is easily monitored."

Correct! It can be easily monitored. When you look at how much info can be transferred, i guess it can be easy to assume the purpose of the free flow of info can be to monitor. It can and will be. But is that the only way it can be looked at? You look at how many ppl can be caught because of their own stupidity of posting on the internet like FB and Twitter. Cops can track known dealers of drugs. It happens. Furthermore, the amount of positive info that can be transferred is also incredible. You can now access parts of the world in turmoil and have a better grip on the situation rather than having only the News ie; Fox, Cnn, and the like provide it for you. You can access different cultures and writings by many known authors, you can build a business with one click. Privacy can be an issue. But to me, only to the effect that ppl have to access the net and be mindful of what they put out there. If it was soley to monitor info and tighten security, I somehow doubt internet sensations like Alex Jones, The Young Turks, the many conspiracy theory channels (FarhanK and undercoveralien), and conspiracy theory web pages would be accessible. These sites seek to create an awareness of some impending doom. Not to mention the seeming rise of Atheism and the new pages and books that arrived over the past few years. Doesnt Atheism undermine what Christians in the US feel is a Christian Nation? Rick Santorum and Michelle Bachmann are hard right believers.


We Make mention of "the powers that be" ability to kill, depopulate, and enslave;
One this view, you claim that wars are erupting, corruption and violence. And that while all of it may not be part of the plan, most of it Might be...

I dont agree. The standards of living are improving more often than not. Life expectancy is increasing, ferility rates dropping, education and access is increasing, water is getting to more, food yields are increasing on less land, we are finding more cures for diseases.


Next, you quote Kennedy in an attempt to answer the questions of cures, food yields, energy resources, etc.;

Firstly, this quote is ambiguous and doesnt answer the questions I asked. It can be interpretted a number of ways. That quote can also be interpretted in the fretted way of NWO as well!
"I have seen what could be and asked why not." When looked upon as him saying just about the same thing as Bush stated in the video, it seems you can interpret this in the way that says "With the NWO, '"I have seen what could be and asked why not.' " Can you make this interpretation as well? It seems to me that he could have been talking about bringing about a better world.


We make mention of "the need to look at things pessimistically. You've claimed that because of the influencial ppl that made the statements we should be curious.

I agree! Be curious, Be skeptical, And question. When you look at this already pre-deciding what to look for, i.e; pessimistically, then you have already biased your opinions before the words come out of their mouths. This is the pessimism I speak of.
We humans, have the tendancy to look for things to be afraid of. We look for patterns and try to detect meaning. We apply intentional agency to thing that, quite frankly, dont have any meaning or intentionality at all. This is how we learn though. We jump to conclusion. False negatives and False positives. Associative learning. This is the evolutionary programming we have endured. Hundred thousand years ago, this method would have had to been useful for detecting predators and dagngers. Today, we suffer from the same hueristics and cognative biases.



posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 11:20 AM
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To conclude, your approach is understandable. I am in no position to tell you that your idea or outlook is wrong. There are no absolute truths. The best we can do is try to change our attitudes.

Unfortunately ppl die from starvation, lack of money, disease, war, poverty. These are issues that can and should be openly discussed. My point is that; I feel when looked at from a standpoint that; The worlds powers have manipulated and controlled the situation to become what it is today, that undermines our ability to even care to change anything. Why bother educating yourself if the "elites" control all of the info? If they control the info, how do you know what you know, hasnt already been planned for? From religion to politics; I feel it does us no good to think that the course of the world is going down an unalterable path. Youd have to bring alot of questions to this philosophy of life. To date, I see no evidence to garner that type of belief! Just my opinion...



posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 11:25 AM
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Originally posted by dign4it
I am going to reveal to you some information about Mr. Pike, information which all the Masonic members of this web site will deny or try to discredit...


No one here needs to discredit anything, a person who is admittedly no fan of Masons, Terry Melanson, thoroughly debunked this on his site using historically accurate footnotes and sources. Feel free to contact him about his findings.



posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 11:50 AM
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it would be super if you could step up to the plate here and address the information provided.
Unless you use the run away defense as used in the Quest for the Holy Grail.



posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by ConspiracyFearist22
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I'm new to forums like this so I'm not exactly sure how to quote sections but besides that, great job disecting my lines and providing adequate response.


Happy to. Simply add a

around the text you speak of.


In response to the questions I asked about NWO; The video by Bush doesnt sum up the fearful aspect of what the perceived conspiracy idea of "NWO" is. So how do we get from that video to "NWO - the world takeover?"


You asked what exactly is the NWO and i found it fitting to provide you (and others reading) with a popular explanation of said topic from a credible source as a previous president. We get to world take over from the video, where Bush Sr. states the UN would govern the world. As I stated, the uncertaintity of the term is what draws curiosity.


You make mention of no knowing what NWO might be, but also assume that it may have something to do with overthrowing laws in place right now. I guess my questions should be; Should those laws be immutabled? Are those laws perfect? Should they be subject to scrutiny and eventually changed if they dont provide the protection they once did? And why do we assume that this "NWO" is a bad thing based on that?


Sorry, but i cant compare the current laws with exactly the laws of the NWO as their isnt an outline provided. Like i said, its not knowing what exactly this means that brings worry. What I want is for the people to at least be honestly represented (not the lobbyists) and actually have a say in future laws or amendments and not bombarded with propaganda and an attempt at dissolution of the constitution.


Correct! It can be easily monitored. When you look at how much info can be transferred, i guess it can be easy to assume the purpose of the free flow of info can be to monitor. It can and will be. But is that the only way it can be looked at?


No, I look at it from any aspect i can. Just my thoughts.


You look at how many ppl can be caught because of their own stupidity of posting on the internet like FB and Twitter. Cops can track known dealers of drugs. It happens. Furthermore, the amount of positive info that can be transferred is also incredible. You can now access parts of the world in turmoil and have a better grip on the situation rather than having only the News ie; Fox, Cnn, and the like provide it for you.


As long as censorship and freedom of speech arent taken from me, I am happy.


You can access different cultures and writings by many known authors, you can build a business with one click. Privacy can be an issue. But to me, only to the effect that ppl have to access the net and be mindful of what they put out there.


Be mindful to whom or what?


If it was soley to monitor info and tighten security, I somehow doubt internet sensations like Alex Jones, The Young Turks, the many conspiracy theory channels (FarhanK and undercoveralien), and conspiracy theory web pages would be accessible. These sites seek to create an awareness of some impending doom.


Well how would you get a true idea of the information if a variable is missing? And why remove sites that 'create awareness of impending doom' if its the case? If a tornado is coming my way I cant warn my family the town over?


Not to mention the seeming rise of Atheism and the new pages and books that arrived over the past few years. Doesnt Atheism undermine what Christians in the US feel is a Christian Nation? Rick Santorum and Michelle Bachmann are hard right believers.


Freedom of speech and religion is fine by me. If i dont like what you say, i'll pay you no mind.. Say what you will. Why let a few stupid people ruin it, right? Cant you see all the other positives??


We Make mention of "the powers that be" ability to kill, depopulate, and enslave;
One this view, you claim that wars are erupting, corruption and violence. And that while all of it may not be part of the plan, most of it Might be...

I dont agree. The standards of living are improving more often than not. Life expectancy is increasing, ferility rates dropping, education and access is increasing, water is getting to more, food yields are increasing on less land, we are finding more cures for diseases.


So why is dropped fertility rates essential for improving the standard of liviing? Water is getting to more? How so? Floods?

**Continued in next post



posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 01:12 PM
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Next, you quote Kennedy in an attempt to answer the questions of cures, food yields, energy resources, etc.;

Firstly, this quote is ambiguous and doesnt answer the questions I asked. It can be interpretted a number of ways. That quote can also be interpretted in the fretted way of NWO as well!
"I have seen what could be and asked why not." When looked upon as him saying just about the same thing as Bush stated in the video, it seems you can interpret this in the way that says "With the NWO, '"I have seen what could be and asked why not.' " Can you make this interpretation as well?It seems to me that he could have been talking about bringing about a better world..


I used the quote for its words, not who said it or their political stance. It is]is ambiguous. Why not let something be discussed? Thats how i interpreted the quote and applied it to your words.


We make mention of "the need to look at things pessimistically. You've claimed that because of the influencial ppl that made the statements we should be curious.


I never said alone, or concert with you 'the need to look at these things pessimistically' - That may be your view, but definitely not what i said. An inquisitive look at the future isnt harmful nor negative.


I agree! Be curious, Be skeptical, And question. When you look at this already pre-deciding what to look for, i.e; pessimistically, then you have already biased your opinions before the words come out of their mouths. This is the pessimism I speak of.


So has curiosity become synonymous with pessimism because i never said that. With statements about the NWO idea being mentioned by nations leaders being curious isnt pessimistic from my view as its a positive to do so, its closing nor shutting a door either way without knowing information.


We humans, have the tendancy to look for things to be afraid of. We look for patterns and try to detect meaning. We apply intentional agency to thing that, quite frankly, dont have any meaning or intentionality at all. This is how we learn though. We jump to conclusion. False negatives and False positives. Associative learning. This is the evolutionary programming we have endured. Hundred thousand years ago, this method would have had to been useful for detecting predators and dagngers. Today, we suffer from the same hueristics and cognative biases.


But it seems you promote an idea of at times being completely reliable and submissive, allowing censorship and other freedoms to be lost and others to decide that for you. Im not jumping to any conclusion and i think i've shared that with you my thoughts (often times repetitively when needed).
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posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 01:35 PM
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#2) " Pike was said to be a Satanist, who indulged in the occult, and he apparently possessed a bracelet which he used to summon Lucifer, with whom he had constant communication."

Are you serious?
Bracelet... summoning.... lucifer....
21st century.
This is sad.



posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 02:01 PM
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Ill have to get more work with the comment quote box thing. Anyway;

"Sorry, but i cant compare the current laws with exactly the laws of the NWO as their isnt an outline provided. Like i said, its not knowing what exactly this means that brings worry." - This hear has a ring of pessimism. I completely understand the reason for skepticism. All I was implying with my take on pessimism, is that when we hear "uncertain" info, is it necessary to greet it with worry?


I agree with the fact that freedom of speech, freedom of religion are important and that censorship is not whats needed. When I say we have to be mindful of what we put out there; it speaks to the idea of whats being monitored. Immediately following the Arab Spring, that info was quickly seeked out by means of censorship. Making it difficult to divulge info about matters like that again. That is terrible! Especially because of how it worked.


My reference to Alex Jones, FarhanK, and the other conspiracy websites was about internet censorship. If the "Powers that be" wanted to prevent ppl from knowing whats going on, and those websites claim the truth of whats going on, then why have they not been shut down? Assuming that the point of this censorship was in fact, to stop this material; it begs two questions; Why havent they censored it? Or, are those sites really reporting on truthful matters?

I talk about those sites ability to constantly keep ppl in fear of impending doom because, while those sites and videos claim the establishments are responsible for keeping in a perpetual state of fear, it seems to me that those websites do a better job of it. It has nothing to do with tornados, lol.


As far as fertility rates and increased standards of living go hand in hand. According to the Mathusian Prophecy, we should have overpopulated by now. But things took a different turn.

Fertility rates are important to the standard of living in a few ways. The more children that a particular country is able to produce, the more future workers it has. This helps boost the economic factor. In America, the more children that are born the better it is for the older generation, who depends on their social security to help fund their living expenses. Fertility rates may give a clue into the health and general standing of a country. Excessive fertility can be devastating to a developing country who doesn't have the resources to provide for the upcoming generation and many die (The millions of children in Africa who die of Malaria and AIDS).
Overpopulation is also a factor. Look at China and their limitations on family size.

This is two problems that can arise from fertility. Look at Chinas limitation. Its not right, but I feel they had the wrong method.


You make mention of curiosity and pessimism being synonymous. Im sorry, I wasnt trying to imply that that was your stance. I looked at what I wrote and it did not come out right. What I meant was, Yes! Be curious, skeptical, and question. But be careful not to pre-decide what it is we are looking for. When we believe in the idea of a system that is set to take us over by means of manipulation and control, or the ideas of illuminati, you are not starting on stable ground. What I am implying is that if you stand on those theories, you are already biasing yourself and pre-deciding what it is you will hear and see. This is what the Confirmation Bias is about. Or the anchoring effect, or the bandwagon effect. I am by no means implying this is your stance.



posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by dign4it
#2) " Pike was said to be a Satanist, who indulged in the occult, and he apparently possessed a bracelet which he used to summon Lucifer, with whom he had constant communication."


Did anyone not know that to summon Lucifer... all you needed was to "Conform" to piety and accomplish/achieve the three tenets that Freemasons are familiar with: These are: 1) Beauty! 2) Strength! 3) Wisdom!
Once you have acquired these... Find anyone round about and see if they are attracted to you.
If and when you do... See for yourself how many of those who are attracted to you actually possess their own beauty and strength and wisdom.
If per chance you find someone is lacking or that another is more endowed. Then you have within you the spirit of Lucifer.
Know that before we can attribute to Lucifer the agenda of world domination, we must first learn the story of him.
The genesis of Lucifer and his rebellion.

Lucifer is summoned by your ability to choose a more attractive entity.
Anything else is pure hype.
I do the lucifer all the time. But did you know Freemasons don't! Yes... it is true.
What may be attributed to Lucifer is in fact the mind of Pike. That is call a misunderstanding.
If we continue to allow propaganda to ensue... we will have issues unlike anyother.

George Washington is stationed in his regalia between two pillars. The first boasts: Faith, Hope, and Charity.
The second boasts: Beauty, Strength and Wisdom.

This idea seldom sparks any interest because you are actually doing the Lucifer. Let's not do that anymore.
Instead let's consider what one who conforms to be faithful, and hopeful, and charitable...

Doing the Lucifer is easy and we believe we free to do it. But in irony we boast our opinions about issue such those we believe are extreme. Do you not see the comdey of this agenda.
we choose to do and say things the we believe are essential...

But next time you find yourself doing the Lucifer... try and imagine what faith, hope, and charity endure.

This is the rant of the "Great Pinocchio"... I am the Great Pinocchio!

Of Acacia wood I was fashioned... and with #tim for my thoughts... Adorned in fine gold too...
But I am not the Ark of the Covenant.

MY POINT: The Lucifer! Don't do it!



posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 02:29 PM
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How many have ever thought to ask...
When Lucifer desired to be God, but had failed and was ousted.
How come no one asked about Eve and Adam being as Gods after eating the apple?
This thing should be pondered. The comedy was such... that in irony they became as Gods through failure to comply.
It's quite funny.
Lucifer... failed and got ousted. a mere angel.



posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 05:38 PM
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Hey Pinocchio do you really believe that lucifer was a wrong choice made by GOD , if yes l must say that your god is not the biggest and you know y because GOD do not make wrong choices .



posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 05:53 PM
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GOD does not speak to me. Never has. All that I know is what the "Rough Ashlar" can tell.
My "Rough Ashlar" is known by most as "The Holy Bible"...
Before it becomes by craft a perfect cubical ashlar... I must learn to experience Freemasonry, but from a Cowan's perspective.
A.A.S.R. gave away to everyone 29 rocks... While they hurt as I am stoned by them, you should know that without those stones I would be stoned to death. Comedy!
I gather them and thereafter need too find wherein to place them.

Now... If God never made a bad choice, and you truly, believe this, how then was therein found the testimony which the LORD GOD confessed himself before he ordered the deluge to wipe away the earth's inhabitants.
Now... to further implicate choice. Know that you can be right. Maybe the deluge was designed to manifest his might. So... you decide if you are right? Ask me another question... but be kind enough to make it about God's Trust... Not about his faults... Thank You!



posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 06:15 PM
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Dear friend

l hope not to hurt yours feelings

But l have to tell you ; if one of the most value person for you were to say that the girl there turn up pregnant without a male would believe , bet 100 bucks that you would not believe, but you insist in believe in something that was made more then 1500 years ago .

The point is that one cannot start his thoughts from something that is not factual .

ALL THE BEST



posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 06:29 PM
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Originally posted by MightyWizard
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Dear friend

l hope not to hurt yours feelings

But l have to tell you ; if one of the most value person for you were to say that the girl there turn up pregnant without a male would believe , bet 100 bucks that you would not believe, but you insist in believe in something that was made more then 1500 years ago .

The point is that one cannot start his thoughts from something that is not factual .



ALL THE BEST


Thank You... Best hopes for you in return.
However, this thing you suggest has not happened. And mind you that I do not take bets....
But for some reason your design is to instill in me that what is true is not factual becuase it was stated long ago.
Yet to this day therein found all around us is that very thing you choose not to accept.
It is not given to us to make war and to ruin finite faith. It is given to us to better instruct.
Queries are found and if per chance yours comes about... do not dare to think we are all likely to be as careless as you. You throw much to wolves. Feed the sheep my friend instead. They are appreciative.



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