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Originally posted by mindpurge
Originally posted by purplemer
Until recently, due to the lack of quality statistical studies, too great of a role in the great debate between vegetarians and meat eaters was played by a rhetorical component. A large-scale study involving 120,000 people showed that consumption of red meat significantly reduces life expectancy. The position of v
Studies like this are well overdue. It has long been the common consensus among vegetarians that its more healthy not to eat meat but evidence was scant.
Eating meat in my opinion is an act of bullying against animals. It is puts a big strain on our biosphere. We can feed a lot more people with less land on vegetables...
Maybe one day you will get labels on meat products like you do on cigarettes... Warning may cause cancer..
In a survival situation, you will die if you do not consume animal meat... we are predators, we are carnivores... I do not need a biased vegans studies about how animals have rights... yes they have rights, but that's not the issue... the issue is: Are Humans Vegetarians, or Carnivores?
Lets focus on ALL (every single) current primitive society... from the Amazon, to Africans, to Kalahari Bushmen, to Natives running around naked in the Spice Islands and New Guinea... The BIGGEST thing for them, is HUNTING... Why? Because we are Carnivores... without meat we die.
Sure if you study the human body and feed it nothing but complexes of vitamins, minerals, nutrients all derived from plants and organics... SURE you'll live longer, but that's NOT the point... because that's NOT natural and IMPOSSIBLE to follow.
If I get a Cougar, and feed it in a test tube environment, and it survives, and thrives off organic vegetable proteins, does that give me the right to claim it's a definitive vegetarian animal simply confused about what it should eat? If you say no, then your stance on vegetarianism and reality are very foggy. Vegetarianism is a CHOICE, however it is not natural, and definitely not healthier unless you can somehow calculate all nutrients entering and exiting the body, expenditures of energy vs. intake.
Even then, whey protein is derived from cows... and I'm sure you'd get the same results using proteins derived from animal fats and tissue... I'm almost 110% positive.
Hardcore vegetarians will always have these biased opinions... And although there is truth to them, just because something is true, doesn't mean it's right. Many things can equate to being True, but still do not equate to being equally true to one another, in fact they can contradict eachother.
That's just the way things work.edit on 21-3-2012 by mindpurge because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by rickymouse
Nobody is going to make me inferior for eating meat. Try all you want. Taking a life is acceptable if you respect it, using all parts of the animal is best if it has given it's life for us. I often wonder why I do not know even one vegetarian that is really old. I suppose it's because they eat so many natural Cox 2 inhibitors.
In the analysis of long-term effects on meat diet, An Pan and his colleagues relied on a statistical study of an impressive scale. A total of 37,698 men and 83,644 women participated in the study. Their health, along with the diet, was tracked for 28 years in the second group, and for 22 years in the first group. During this time, 23,926 deaths were recorded in the two groups surveyed, of which 5,910 – from cardiovascular disease and 9,464 – from cancer.
“We also found that 9.3% of deaths among men and 7.6% among women could be prevented in the observed period of time if all participants reduced their daily consumption of red meat by 50%,” summarized the researchers. In other words, three and a half thousand men and six thousand women who participated in the study would have survived if they had cut their meat consumption by at least in half.
Most of the arguments against vegetarians are absurd. Before making any argument think of cultures that have vegetarianism, such as Hindus. Asian Indians are nearly all vegetarians and yet we never hear of a mass die off.
Originally posted by Insearchofthetruth1987
meat was imperitive to our evolution to homosapiens
if we were still eating plants we would be too lethargic or sick to have evolved our brains
man cannot live on plants alone (and thrive)
some of the nutrients in meat cannot be replaced with vegetables
those veggie lovers will have to wait for that lab grown meat to get cheaper
but until then they can enjoy their constipation/poor digestion and vitamin deficiency
Since I'm not a vegan, I can't imagine what a person can eat that's going to be enough fuel to do physical work..