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Originally posted by woogleuk
There is no doubt that Jesus lived and was a real person. There is far to many accounts of him outside of Christianity to say otherwise.
Originally posted by Azadok
Originally posted by TheCelestialHuman
Virtually nothing is known about Jesus Christ. Outside of the Gospels, the few historical sources that seemingly refer to him are so vague or ambiguous that they may not be about him at all. Several researchers have concluded that he doesn't exist at all beyond the pages of the New Testament. He is a fabrication, a fiction, they say. However, these researchers would have equal difficulties with many other figures whom no one doubts existed. For instance, outside of the Gospels there is almost no mention of Pontius Pilate, the Roman Governor of Judea. It might be expected that a Roman Governor's life would be well documented, but this is simply not the case.
The Gospels are full of contradictions, inconsistencies and improbabilities, leaving ample scope for innumerable heresies to spring up. Jesus spoke in Aramaic, but none of his teachings have been preserved in that language. We are always dealing with translations and translations of translations. Ambiguity and inaccuracy are inevitable.
My guess is he is fictional or maybe real, just not the son of a non existent god.
edit on 19-3-2012 by TheCelestialHuman because: (no reason given)
I think you are out and out lying with this statement , not only is the record provided by non Christian parties very clear it is easily googled and found . The time it took you to write this lie I could have copied a half dozen sites . This site below lists several non Christian sources .www.provethebible.net...
Originally posted by Jukiodone
Jesus was apparently one of a number of "Messiahs" recognised by the Jewish Messiah cults of the time.
Before him; "John" (AKA John the Baptist) was the messiah - do you ever wonder why John Baptised the "Son of the God" ...seems a bit strange that a normal man would Baptise Gods only son.
How did Christianity, a religion where the Romans killed the messiah, become the overiding religion of the Roman Empire in such a short time???
If you think it's because the Romans allowed people to do as they please...you need to read up on Rome.
reply to post by woogleuk
This might be of use:
Ancient Evidence for Jesus from Non-Christian Sources
Originally posted by thebestnr1
and why did they base our calender on a fictional person
Originally posted by Lasr1oftheJedi
I don't need hyperlinks to prove the fact that Jesus lived. It's easliy googable. The facts are that the Romans, some of the best record keepers ever have a wealth of documentation to the life and death of Jesus. Not only that, but the Jews of the time also recorded a wealth of documentation of the "trouble maker" that Jesus became for them. New ideas that really are simply professing the truth in old ideas always seems to be hard to swallow. Mankind is a stubborn being that way.
And for it all being forged as part of a Roman plot, that motion didn't carry until Constintine, so I find it hard to believe that while Nero lit his backyard with christians that he also had forged the divinity of Christ. The facts are you can deny the divinty of Jesus, but to deny the fact that he existed isn't even possible. There are more records of his deeds and life outside of scripture than there are of Ceaser.
So basicly, if you call the documents of the Romans a lie, then you could easily also say that Ceaser never lived, nor Cleopatria. For Jesus has more documentation, more writen proof of his life than both these souls combined.