Occupy: The police are not primarily deserving of your anger

I'm watching some footage of the police brutality that occurred at the recent OWS protest at Zucotti Park. There are the usual calls in the comments for violent retribution, vengeance etc.

This is completely the wrong approach, and is guaranteed to be totally ineffectual. If you had read the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, you would know this.

The police are human shields. Wall Street and the corporate world are going to use them as a diversionary target for protest, violence, or whatever else, and so far it is working. The Protocols talk of how the cabal has staged virtually every revolution in history, and they survive it by giving the public their low level servants and visible mouthpieces, in order to sate the public's bloodlust.

If Occupy want to stop the police brutality from becoming a standard feature at their events, they need to go higher up the chain of command. The police you're seeing on your phone cameras are mere footsoldiers. Somebody is giving them their orders; and that somebody is who you are not seeing. Find out who that person or people are, and then go after them legally with everything you have. I'm not talking about the sheriff's office, the DA or something trivial like that, either. They are just more decoys, slightly higher up in order to fool you into thinking you've got the right person. You need to get to the root of the problem.

Occupy need information on Bloomberg. Granted, he is still a public figure, but who you really want, is whoever is next up the chain from him; and again, I'm not talking in official terms. I'm talking about whoever has him in their pocket in corporate terms. You need to start finding out who the shadow men are here; not the elected officials, but the white collar criminals. There isn't a governmental position at this point which doesn't contain a patsy; and so there is no point bothering with them at all, other than as a source of further names. That is what you want. You need to know who is standing behind the useful idiots in the official positions; the corporate puppet masters who you're not seeing, and who you won't see until you flush them out.

If you focus purely on the street, you will be bashed on the street, and your movement will lose momentum and die out. That is what they are hoping for; they will want to destroy you via attrition if they can, and right now they're doing a good job of it. The police are tanking Occupy at the moment. The suits want you to devote all of your focus on meaningless confrontations with the police. While you're doing that, they arrest your own command structure, make you look like mindless, violent thugs in the media, and bash your own people to the point where morale and momentum are destroyed, because in the end nobody will want to come to an event if it means hospitalisation afterwards.

You need to start identifying their own command structure, and obtaining as much information about said individuals as possible. Don't just file pedestrian lawsuits against them; their judges are paid and will throw them out. You want something scandalous; something so big that even a bent judge has trouble throwing it out plausibly, which you can then make a big stink with in the media. You can bet that these guys will be up to their armpits in white collar crime, so the juicy stuff will be there. You just have to find it.

You also don't need to worry about necessarily winning court cases, either. Your two goals here, are lots and lots of negative media and public attention for these guys, and if possible, economic attrition via the legal system, although they're likely to have a lot more money than you will, of course. Hubbard wrote that the courts can be used extremely effectively as a means of harassment, however. Get some high minded activist lawyer who doesn't mind pro bono work, and use said means to your advantage.

You are not going to win this on the street. As long as you stay on the street, you are engaging them on their own terms, and focusing on their own point of strength. You need to cut off the head of the snake; find out who is giving the cops their orders, and find out why they are so afraid of you. The very fact that they are using this much violence against you, means that they are scared. You need to find out the reasons behind said fear, and fully legally and journalistically exploit them.

Any of you who are reading this thread, also need to read The Art of War by Sun Tzu, the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, The 48 Laws of Power by Robert E. Greene, and The Prince by Niccolo Machiavelli. You can find all four online; and they will give you a lot of extremely valuable information about what you are up against.

They have obviously read the art of war themselves, think about how the police have been cornering protesters accross the globe.

If you surround the enemy, leave an outlet; do not press an enemy that is cornered.

They know their tactics will lead to violent responses from protesters, and so they are able to push even harder.

I'm glad you phrased it "not primary deserving of your anger", we shouldn't ignore the cops, and I admire your call for us to see the bigger picture.

Originally posted by el1jah
They have obviously read the art of war themselves, think about how the police have been cornering protesters accross the globe.

Naivete is Occupy's single greatest weakness. The conservatives here love calling Occupy hippies as a means of trolling, but unfortunately, it does contain a certain amount of truth. Occupy are up against some of the most evil people on the planet here, and If they want to make progress, they are going to have to become a little more devious themselves. Not unethical; just shrewd.

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Actually, the whole purpose of these protests is to provoke violent action against the protesters. Not vice versa. It is textbook "activist" provocation. Embracing victimhood is only one of the pathetic tactics these sheep use to support the destruction of individualism and freedom.
And no, I don't buy into this obviously manipulated agenda that will clearly lead to oppression of American citizens and whose sole purpose is to justify elite crackdown on civil liberties.
Wake up, people. It is obvious to anyone who opens their eyes. Occupy your brain.

Originally posted by pierregustavetoutant
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Actually, the whole purpose of these protests is to provoke violent action against the protesters. Not vice versa. It is textbook "activist" provocation. Embracing victimhood is only one of the pathetic tactics these sheep use to support the destruction of individualism and freedom.

Agreed. Occupy have put a little too much stock in MLK and Gandhi, methinks. Those two were men of their time, not the current one. They both might have been shot, but even so, they were given a lot more concessions back then than you will be. Gandhi in particular, also had a deeply unhealthy obsession with victimhood, in my own mind. The other major difference is that they were willing to die. Most of you aren't; and the fact that you care about preserving your lives, is exploitable by the government.

The suits are not going to care about you being victims. You do need the moral high ground, yes; but not from psychopaths. You can meditate in the middle of the street as much as you want, and if nobody is watching, they will cheerfully beat you to death.

The only thing they care about is to make sure they avoid antagonising the people in the living rooms, to the point where they've got an armed critical mass on their hands. That is something they don't want, because if they get that, plausible deniability goes straight out the window. The American public are brainwashed, sedated, and deeply apathetic, yes; but even those conditions will only stretch so far.

It is crucial for the government to be able to plausibly depict you as domestic terrorists. In order for them to do that, they need to be able to portray you as taking the initiative, where violence is concerned; they want to be seen as the ones stopping you from being violent, rather than them being violent themselves. So they aren't going to engage in armed conflict with more than probably 20-30 of you on camera at any one time, tops; and I think there is still some time before they resort to live ammunition, as well, although that will probably come eventually.

Obama has a timetable, here. He needs to make sure that all of the legal infrastructure is in place, so that he can start putting you into the camps, while keeping public opinion from going too far south. You will be baited, provoked, and afflicted with phalanx tactics, in order to provoke you into a violent response. He needs that so that he can call you terrorists in such a way that the conservatives will believe him.

I doubt that we will see a second civil war in formal terms; the government will do everything it can to make sure that people don't see it like that. You'll remember that they referred to the Egyptians as "protestors," throughout that entire thing. They are not going to call you revolutionaries, because they know you'd get flooded with volunteers if they did.

Occupy's only advantage lies in the fact that the government and Wall Street still care about public opinion. If they didn't, they'd be blowing your heads off in the street already, at this point. Obama obviously still isn't quite at the point where he can afford that, yet. The question is going to be, whether or not you can stop him before he gets to the point where he is ready for you.

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I'm not so sure. Obviously it goes higher than the police, we know DHS is helping out. How high, does anyone know how high any chain of command goes? Nope. If the cops don't change their tactics the media will be on our side. This isn't the only fight though, it's just the most visible one. You need to do some more research, get on the social media Occupiers use before you go saying we're being led around by our noses.

ETA Also don't mistake shining light on injustices as crying victim.

Originally posted by Kali74
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This isn't the only fight though, it's just the most visible one. You need to do some more research, get on the social media Occupiers use before you go saying we're being led around by our noses.

I know you're engaged in court cases; but said cases are lawsuits against governmental authorities. Sheriff's offices, DAs, police departments.

You don't want government agencies. Government agencies are only the people taking orders; they're not the people who are ultimately giving them. Who are the rich people who Bloomberg sits at the dinner table with? That's the sort of stuff you want to know. Who contributes to his campaigns? If the DHS are assisting the NYPD, who within the DHS is doing it, and again, who is paying their bribes?

That is what you really want to know; the source of the bribe money, and the source of the instructions that go with said bribes. Government agencies don't matter; the people paying them off do.

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Again check out the social media. You know this all started with targeting Wall Street and it's death-grip control over our government, right?

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by petrus4

 

Again check out the social media. You know this all started with targeting Wall Street and it's death-grip control over our government, right?

By social media; do you mean Twitter, or the web sites? I remember OccupyEverything I think it was, did look interesting.

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Twitter's a good place to start, from there you'll get links to just about everything. #occupy #ows Pick a few users to follow and you'll where to go from there.