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Originally posted by Peruvianmonk
reply to post by blueorder
Your attempt at belittling my mental capability to that of a moron is a classical attempt at intellectual bullying, which even that you are failing at.
The fact that you are unable to take in to account any societal context on matters such as these show off your own intellectual failings.
Sarkosy's comments were atypical of many French politicians scared of the like of Marie Le Pen taking blocs of their traditional voting populace. France seems to be becoming a country where anything that isn't atypical French is seen as dangerous & radical.
Anyway I am sure it was just a 'nutter' with no political motivation.
To everyone else on the board, don't even try to come to your own formulation of thought on this event, blueorder does not allow it.
Originally posted by Peruvianmonk
As those targeted were of 'ethnic' origin
“He shot at everything he could see, children and adults, and some children were chased into the school,” Mr. Valet said, according to news reports.
“It (the Vernal Equinox) was particularly the sacrifice des primeurs, the first fruits of the fields, the first vegetables, the first lambs and other young animals and so on. And the first-born son, Christ the Son of God, is also sacrificed at the time of the vernal equinox. This idea of YOUTH being sacrificed was called in Rome the ver sacrum, the sacred spring.”
- Carl Jung, Notes on the Seminar Given in 1930-1934 Volume 1
We have not counted the victims of the seed of the goy cattle, but we have sacrificed many of our own
The findings show that right-wing political discourse is organized by a global strategy of negative otherpresentation, not only of the ‘others’, who are almost systematically derogated, accused of abuse and thus criminalized, but also of their supposed allies, the political Left, object of systematic delegitimation.
The specific ethnic and/or national groups of the population which are of interest in each country are dependent upon individual national circumstances. Some of the criteria by which ethnic groups are identified are ethnic nationality (i.e., country or area of origin, as distinct from citizenship or country of legal nationality), race, colour, language, religion, customs of dress or eating, tribe or various combinations of these characteristics. In addition, some of the terms used, such as “race”, “origin” or “tribe”, have a number of different connotations. The definitions and criteria applied by each country investigating ethnic characteristics of the population must, therefore, be determined carefully and with the involvement of or consultation with representatives of the groups which it desires to categorize. By the nature of this topic, these categories and their definitions will vary widely from country to country; therefore, no internationally accepted criteria are possible.
Originally posted by elevenaugust
Everyone here is shocked, especially when you know that, in each case, the murderer has methodically pursued and killed soldiers three days ago and children today inside the school.
What scares me is that someone so determined to dare to kill soldiers in the city and children in their own school certainly will not stop there...
edit on 19-3-2012 by elevenaugust because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Britguy
Originally posted by Peruvianmonk
As those targeted were of 'ethnic' origin
"Jewish" is not an ethnicity, it's a religious belief.
Originally posted by Peruvianmonk
reply to post by blueorder
I am not being dramatic, it was just obvious what you were trying to do.
It isn't like saying that at all. Intolerant rhetoric on immigration is known to stigmatise immigrants as shown in this study,
The findings show that right-wing political discourse is organized by a global strategy of negative otherpresentation, not only of the ‘others’, who are almost systematically derogated, accused of abuse and thus criminalized, but also of their supposed allies, the political Left, object of systematic delegitimation.
das.sagepub.com...
Through this, immigrants already vulnerable position in society is further heightened by the appearance and reality of being under attack from state backed forces. This is extremely dangerous & negligent on the part of those elected to play the role of responsible statespeople.
Whether Sarko cares about immigration or not is irrelevant. The fact that he made those comments and a susceptible part of the population were listening, that is what is relevant
I have not stated that this is a right wing nutter. I am theorising based upon the facts on who the target was and the recent shooting of the soldiers.
Supporting limited immigration is a reasonable viewpoint and to link it to the murder of kids under the auspices of "societal context" is pretty low rent-- that is like me saying promoting socialism automatically produces the gulags or Pol Pot's killing fields.
When you try and EXTINGUISH reasonable discussion on the issue, you can push people to extremes
"We must reduce the number of arrivals on our territory," Sarkozy said, pledging to end the automatic right of immigrants to be joined by their families. "You are not welcome in France if you are only coming to receive welfare. Everyone thinks it: it is time for republicans to say it." "Those who come with the intention of not respecting our laws and our customs, of not respecting the property of others, of not sending their children to school, of not making an effort at integration, they are not welcome on French soil," he said.
Originally posted by rocket88
What is going on in France???
The suspect left on a scooter just like the one who murdered the soldier one week ago.
I hope that is not a start of a killing spree...
Originally posted by Peruvianmonk
Yeh nice one Sarko, not a mention on the benefits of the immigrant population for small to large business in labor terms, skilled labor and those immigrant who assimilate and respect French culture.
Originally posted by Britguy
Originally posted by Peruvianmonk
As those targeted were of 'ethnic' origin
"Jewish" is not an ethnicity, it's a religious belief.
Originally posted by Peruvianmonk
reply to post by blueorder
Well by associating my usage of slang to being a Danny Dyer fan and viewer of inane T.V. you were pretty clearly trying to label me as a moron.
The link is to a university study from actual academics who have researched this topic of political discouraging on immigration. There are literally dozens of examples from countries around the world
Ridiculous statement.
The same can be said when immigrants are attacked as part or root of the problem of a nation as Sarko & co are doing with their statements.
"We must reduce the number of arrivals on our territory," Sarkozy said,
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pledging to end the automatic right of immigrants to be joined by their families. "You are not welcome in France if you are only coming to receive welfare. Everyone thinks it: it is time for republicans to say it."
"Those who come with the intention of not respecting our laws and our customs, of not respecting the property of others, of not sending their children to school, of not making an effort at integration, they are not welcome on French soil," he said.
Yeh nice one Sarko, not a mention on the benefits of the immigrant population for small to large business in labor terms, skilled labor and those immigrant who assimilate and respect French culture.
You really think this kind of rhetoric does not play in to the right wing extremist argument?
I feel like we have kind of hijacked this thread, so will leave it there for now.
I will update with any info on the shootings that I come across.
Originally posted by torqpoc
The sad truth is that a vast majority living in the Toulouse HLMs do not. They state France is theirs, they spit on the culture, they trash the town, they rape white women and they live day to day from selling dope and benefits paid for by the taxpayer.
Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by Procharmo
And yes, I can often be found skanking to Ska and I do have a skinhead.....does that make me a potential serial killer?