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Atheism is just silly.

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posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by SisyphusRide


I prefer to speak about the one ours is based on and also currently most "civilizations" that are one the planet today.

there is no changing the past... in fact I wouldn't even go there, let's keep it in the here and now... like reality.


Ahhh changing the subject because I have just proven a functional society is possible without the Bible.

That is reality my friend!
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posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 12:29 PM
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umkay, you lost me..

please rephrase the question if you did in fact ask me one?



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 12:34 PM
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why dig up the past? it already happened... our society and my constitution revolve around it, My fellow Americans been to the moon with it even.

heck it is so woven into the fabric of my nation I believe it would take a total transformation to root it out... but then that wouldn't be America no more and I honestly believe they just cant kill it! they already did that... it just grew.

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posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 12:35 PM
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I think you need reading comprehension classes

or a psychological evaluation.

I asked if functional societies existed before the bible.
They did.

Therefore, the bible is not needed for morals and social interaction.



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 12:39 PM
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Originally posted by SisyphusRide
why dig up the past? it already happened... our society and my constitution revolve around it, My fellow Americans been to the moon with it even.

heck it is so woven into the fabric of my nation I believe it would take a total transformation to root it out... but then that wouldn't be America no more and I honestly believe they just cant kill it! they already did that... it just grew.

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Where have you been?
Christianity has been on the decline for many years now.

It is a slowly dying religion.



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by yuppa
OH. Thanks for the clarification. Well if thats the case its between me and him and i would have to deal with the consequences of my actions. But the question is moot to me because of research I myself have done on that subject. God wants us to ask questions sometimes and make us think at times.
Just as the question is moot for you, it is also moot to me for the same reasons.



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 03:34 PM
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Lenny was born a shark...

I was born an American and I value those traditions...

I was born a Christian
I'm American!



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 03:37 PM
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Originally posted by SisyphusRide
reply to post by paradox
 


Lenny was born a shark...

I was born an American and I value those traditions...

I was born a Christian
I'm American!


Sounds like the Santorum rally - - where two men in the crowd started kissing.

As they were escorted out - - the crowd started chanting: USA USA USA

Uh What?



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 03:37 PM
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Originally posted by SisyphusRide
Lenny was born a shark...

I was born an American and I value those traditions...

I was born a Christian
I'm American!
You were born a christian? When you came out of that vagina, you were a christian? Interesting...

What if you were born in Saudi Arabia? You think you'd still be a christian?

Also, don't you have a bridge to guard? I'm done with you. You've got to be trolling and I'm not falling for it anymore.
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posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 04:05 PM
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does that speak for all theism? probably not but this is a discussion about atheism...

I was born under the sign of Christianity though.



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 04:07 PM
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Originally posted by SisyphusRide
reply to post by paradox
 


Lenny was born a shark...

I was born an American and I value those traditions...

I was born a Christian
I'm American!


That's funny because America wasn't founded as a Christian nation.
That is very Christian of you to try to twist history in your favor.

Thankfully for those of us that have brains, we know the real truth.

www.skeptically.org...


Thomas Paine was a pamphleteer whose manifestos encouraged the faltering spirits of the country and aided materially in winning the war of Independence:
I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of...Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all."



George Washington, the first president of the United States, never declared himself a Christian according to contemporary reports or in any of his voluminous correspondence. Washington Championed the cause of freedom from religious intolerance and compulsion. When John Murray (a universalist who denied the existence of hell) was invited to become an army chaplain, the other chaplains petitioned Washington for his dismissal. Instead, Washington gave him the appointment. On his deathbed, Washinton uttered no words of a religious nature and did not call for a clergyman to be in attendance.



John Adams, the country's second president, was drawn to the study of law but faced pressure from his father to become a clergyman. He wrote that he found among the lawyers 'noble and gallant achievments" but among the clergy, the "pretended sanctity of some absolute dunces". Late in life he wrote: "Twenty times in the course of my late reading, have I been upon the point of breaking out, "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it!"

It was during Adam's administration that the Senate ratified the Treaty of Peace and Friendship, which states in Article XI that "the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion."



Thomas Jefferson, third president and author of the Declaration of Independence, said:"I trust that there is not a young man now living in the United States who will not die a Unitarian." He referred to the Revelation of St. John as "the ravings of a maniac" and wrote:
The Christian priesthood, finding the doctrines of Christ levelled to every understanding and too plain to need explanation, saw, in the mysticisms of Plato, materials with which they might build up an artificial system which might, from its indistinctness, admit everlasting controversy, give employment for their order, and introduce it to profit, power, and pre-eminence. The doctrines which flowed from the lips of Jesus himself are within the comprehension of a child; but thousands of volumes have not yet explained the Platonisms engrafted on them: and for this obvious reason that nonsense can never be explained."



James Madison, fourth president and father of the Constitution, was not religious in any conventional sense. "Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."
"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution."



Ethan Allen, whose capture of Fort Ticonderoga while commanding the Green Mountain Boys helped inspire Congress and the country to pursue the War of Independence, said, "That Jesus Christ was not God is evidence from his own words." In the same book, Allen noted that he was generally "denominated a Deist, the reality of which I never disputed, being conscious that I am no Christian." When Allen married Fanny Buchanan, he stopped his own wedding ceremony when the judge asked him if he promised "to live with Fanny Buchanan agreeable to the laws of God." Allen refused to answer until the judge agreed that the God referred to was the God of Nature, and the laws those "written in the great book of nature."


Benjamin Franklin is on the site too but it wouldn't fit here.
I even bolded the parts for you to read. Hopefully you are able to comprehend



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 04:08 PM
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reworded: totally under the signature of Christianity, everything this country was founded upon.

it is signed in my dna and evidence of the fact is that I exist.



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 04:08 PM
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Originally posted by SisyphusRide
does that speak for all theism? probably not but this is a discussion about atheism...

I was born under the sign of Christianity though.


I was born under the sign of Hospital.

I was taught to believe in a God.



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 04:10 PM
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Figured i'd add one more for ya.


The Treaty of Tripoli, passed by the U.S. Senate in 1797, read in part: "The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion."




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posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 04:48 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by SisyphusRide
does that speak for all theism? probably not but this is a discussion about atheism...

I was born under the sign of Christianity though.


I was born under the sign of Hospital.

I was taught to believe in a God.


to me that is something good to learn... it is intimately a part of you if in fact you were born in America.



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 04:52 PM
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Originally posted by SisyphusRide

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by SisyphusRide
does that speak for all theism? probably not but this is a discussion about atheism...

I was born under the sign of Christianity though.


I was born under the sign of Hospital.

I was taught to believe in a God.


to me that is something good to learn... it is intimately a part of you if in fact you were born in America.


Why? America isn't a Christian nation, yet you keep ignoring that fact



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 04:54 PM
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I am not ignoring fact... I know what brought about American tradition, I am not claiming we are only just a nation of Christians... we are a nation of all theistic religions (which are the majority) and even atheist.

γνῶθι σεαυτόν



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 04:59 PM
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all westerners even not on this continent are born of the Greek Philosophy and Judeo-Christian Beliefs and value system, even our science department


I believe everyone here has Jewish in them in some way or other... my mothers maiden name is Jewish even.


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posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 05:02 PM
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Originally posted by SisyphusRide
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I am not ignoring fact... I know what brought about American tradition, I am not claiming we are only just a nation of Christians... we are a nation of all theistic religions (which are the majority) and even atheist.

γνῶθι σεαυτόν


None of the founding fathers were Christian.
And why are you only mentioning theism? What about deism? Once again you are inferring that only your belief is the correct one, with nothing to back it up other than "IM AMERICAN"

Wtf? I'm American too bro.


Christianity is failing due to secularization and higher education.
As education increases, religiosity decreases.

That should tell you something.



posted on Mar, 25 2012 @ 05:04 PM
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Originally posted by SisyphusRide
all westerners even not on this continent are born of the Greek Philosophy and Judeo-Christian Beliefs and value system, even our science department



Ah so why is polytheism not the answer then, instead of your absolute assertion in a monotheistic almighty creator?




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