Do you feel truthers are dangerous, unpatriotic and embolden the terrorists?

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posted on Mar, 18 2012 @ 08:18 PM
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reply to post by GoodOlDave
 


Who is saying that? I never read anything like that on pilotsfortruth, Firefightersfortruth or A&Efor911truth.

Maybe parallels is the wrong word. Just dont overthink this and answer the question in the OP if you whish to do so.




posted on Mar, 18 2012 @ 09:09 PM
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Originally posted by Cassius666
 

Who is saying that? I never read anything like that on pilotsfortruth, Firefightersfortruth or A&Efor911truth.


You haven't been reading the posts here on ATS, have you? Heck, there's even one guy here who claims the towers were really fake buildings.

So if you're drawing parallels, does that mean Syria really doesn't exist as a country?



posted on Mar, 18 2012 @ 10:20 PM
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Originally posted by GoodOlDave
Oh, and let's not forget that nobody is posting over and over how physicists are so stupid for not looking at the grade school physics of how the explosion destroyed the neighborhood in Syria, either


This is just typical of GoodOlDave. Asserting confusing sh#.

Who has ever combined grade school physics and Syria?

But what physicists have claimed to accurately compute the Potential Energy of the towers by claiming to have accurate data on the distributions of steel and concrete?

psik
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posted on Mar, 18 2012 @ 10:24 PM
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I think truthers and all patriots wether awake already or not, are ready to do what needs to be done, when "it" happens. I have faith that when it does indeed hit the fan, americans will fight back.



posted on Mar, 19 2012 @ 05:56 AM
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lol.



posted on Mar, 19 2012 @ 08:39 AM
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If an airliner can destroy a skyscraper 2000+ times its own mass in less than two hours that is fine. BUT it should be completely explainable on the basis of accurate data. If an airliner cannot possibly have done it then that that is fine too BUT it should be explainable also on the basis of accurate data.


So how can a bullet weighing 1/3 of an ounce kill a man weighing 200 lbs - thats a 10,000 to 1 weight ratio


Itas a matter of velocity - accelerate a mass to high enough velocity and the resultant energy is exteremely
destructive.....



posted on Mar, 19 2012 @ 08:57 AM
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If an airliner can destroy a skyscraper 2000+ times its own mass in less than two hours that is fine.

You know, for a guy who claims to want to stick to the "physics" you really love to play word games. The airliner did not destroy the building and no one believes it did. The impact of the airliner caused a chain of events which eventually lead to the collpase of the building. Kind of like acting amazed when someone tells you they broke a thousand tons of rock with just a few gallons of diesel fuel and fertilizer.



posted on Mar, 19 2012 @ 09:01 AM
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Originally posted by LaughingatHumanity
It's not just truthers brosef, it's people who pay attention to American history and the blow-back that surrounds it. Fact of the matter is we are one of the most evil regimes this planet has ever known when you strip away the facade of disinformation and outright lies.

We believe in subterfuge, we believe in assassination, we believe in overthrowing legitimate governments, we believe in using what we call terrorist today as proxies for conflict. We have destroyed nations for profit such as the banana republics and overthrowing the shah in Iran.

We have a history of lies, cheating, stealing and murder and your worried people who question the status quo might be making terrorist bolder? Do you even know why terrorism as we have come to know it exist?

It exist because we have thoroughly insulted an entire culture of people who's culture is based on the honor of the guest. We put military bases in their holy lands and stomped all over them using them for their resources and treasure. We have done nothing but contribute to instability in the region and have left a permanent legacy in the minds and hearts of the people in these lands that we are a great force for evil and greed at all cost in this world.

Understand our history and understand that the enemy is within, and it is not people who wish to see the world as it is rather than sugar coated in lies.



This post needs to be seen again. You are so right. When you strip away all the disinformation and lies, US is the most evil regime. The most. Luckily, the old dinasaur corporate media, has seen it's heyday. An awakened former sheeple, is a Truther. And a true patriot.



posted on Mar, 19 2012 @ 09:02 AM
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Originally posted by thedman
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If an airliner can destroy a skyscraper 2000+ times its own mass in less than two hours that is fine. BUT it should be completely explainable on the basis of accurate data. If an airliner cannot possibly have done it then that that is fine too BUT it should be explainable also on the basis of accurate data.


So how can a bullet weighing 1/3 of an ounce kill a man weighing 200 lbs - thats a 10,000 to 1 weight ratio

Itas a matter of velocity - accelerate a mass to high enough velocity and the resultant energy is exteremely
destructive.....


Someone else has done that idiotic sh# again. Compared and inanimate object hitting a larger animate object to an inanimate object hitting a large inanimate object.

Shoot a 200 lb tree stump with the same bullet and see what happens. Skyscrapers and tree stumps don't have knees and muscles and heart.

Endless idiotic drivel.

psik



posted on Mar, 19 2012 @ 09:04 AM
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No. According to the Declaration of Independence, it is the people's responsibility to question their government.



posted on Mar, 19 2012 @ 09:06 AM
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Truthers are the real patriots of this country!
Everything else is just uneducated, ignorant noise.


 
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posted on Mar, 19 2012 @ 09:09 AM
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Originally posted by hooper
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If an airliner can destroy a skyscraper 2000+ times its own mass in less than two hours that is fine.

You know, for a guy who claims to want to stick to the "physics" you really love to play word games. The airliner did not destroy the building and no one believes it did. The impact of the airliner caused a chain of events which eventually lead to the collpase of the building. Kind of like acting amazed when someone tells you they broke a thousand tons of rock with just a few gallons of diesel fuel and fertilizer.


So where was your explanation for my thought experiment of eliminating 5 stories and dropping the top 15 on the bottom 90 stories? Totally eliminating 5 stories is more damage than the plane and fire could do.


A simple thought experiment which our engineering schools should have been able to simulate some time ago would be to merely remove five simulated levels from the north tower, 91, 92, 93, 94 and 95. That would leave a 60 foot gap with 15 stories floating in the air and 90 intact simulated stories below. Then let gravity take its usual immutably boring course. The bottom of the 15 stories would impact the top of the 90 in just under 2 seconds at 44 mph or 65 feet per second.

The 90 stories should be 1080 feet tall so if the 15 stories could maintain a constant 65 ft/sec while destroying them the collapse would take 16.6 second plus the 2 seconds totaling 18.6 seconds. But that is significantly longer then most estimates of collapse time therefore the 15 stories would have to accelerate while crushing stories heavier and stronger than themselves.

Now completely eliminating 5 stories to make that 2 seconds of acceleration possible is more damage than the airliner impact and fire could have done so we know that 60 feet of empty space never existed. But that thought experiment eliminates all argument about how hot the fires got because they could not instantaneously disappear five stories.

The levels had to get stronger and heavier going down and lighter and weaker going up. So how could 15 stories destroy all 90? Even assuming a 3 to 1 ratio of destruction, which I regard as unlikely, that would leave 45 stories standing which is not what happened on 9/11. So if that simulation is done and it comes nowhere near complete collapse then what is this nonsense that has been going on for more than TEN YEARS?

So why hasn’t any engineering school done such a simple simulation?


You just expect everyone to waste time on pedantic trivia all of the time just to avoid giving you talking points.

psik



posted on Mar, 19 2012 @ 09:14 AM
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Shoot a 200 lb tree stump with the same bullet and see what happens. Skyscrapers and tree stumps don't have knees and muscles and heart.

Endless idiotic drivel.


You got that right. Like your drivel about an "airliner destroying a building". Pedantic nonsense.

You know that you can't consume the timber of an acre of forest with the flame of just one match, but that match can start a process that does consume the acre and more. But according to you, a match can't start a forest fire.



posted on Mar, 19 2012 @ 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by psikeyhackr

Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by psikeyhackr
 



If an airliner can destroy a skyscraper 2000+ times its own mass in less than two hours that is fine. BUT it should be completely explainable on the basis of accurate data. If an airliner cannot possibly have done it then that that is fine too BUT it should be explainable also on the basis of accurate data.


So how can a bullet weighing 1/3 of an ounce kill a man weighing 200 lbs - thats a 10,000 to 1 weight ratio

Itas a matter of velocity - accelerate a mass to high enough velocity and the resultant energy is exteremely
destructive.....


Someone else has done that idiotic sh# again. Compared and inanimate object hitting a larger animate object to an inanimate object hitting a large inanimate object.

Shoot a 200 lb tree stump with the same bullet and see what happens. Skyscrapers and tree stumps don't have knees and muscles and heart.

Endless idiotic drivel.

psik


Are you genuinely comparing the density of a hollow building with the density of a solid tree stump...?

Here's a wild, crazy thought- perhaps the reason why no physicist in the known universe is addressing your concerns is because you're simply play pretending with physics and you don't know jack [censored] what you're even talking about?



posted on Mar, 19 2012 @ 10:25 AM
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Originally posted by thedman

So how can a bullet weighing 1/3 of an ounce kill a man weighing 200 lbs - thats a 10,000 to 1 weight ratio


This really isn't what he's saying. What he IS saying is that it's impossible to claim a single 1/3 ounce domino can knock over 50 pounds of dominos without first knowing the distribution of plastic and paint on the little dots.

To answer the OP's question, I think it's safe to say this guy isn't emboldening the terrorists in any way.



posted on Mar, 19 2012 @ 11:33 AM
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Originally posted by GoodOlDave

Originally posted by thedman

So how can a bullet weighing 1/3 of an ounce kill a man weighing 200 lbs - thats a 10,000 to 1 weight ratio


This really isn't what he's saying. What he IS saying is that it's impossible to claim a single 1/3 ounce domino can knock over 50 pounds of dominos without first knowing the distribution of plastic and paint on the little dots.

To answer the OP's question, I think it's safe to say this guy isn't emboldening the terrorists in any way.


Of course GoodOlDave fails to mention the Square-Cube Law.

He doesn't even specify if the 50 pounds of dominoes is stacked straight up. That would be a good trick. But stacking them up they would have a uniform density and all be the same strength. That is not the case with skyscrapers. Everyone agrees the steel was thicker toward the bottom of the WTC.

In my model I was able to sort the washers by thickness. But since I was using the weakest support I could find, paper, I had to change the strength down the stack. The paper loops at the top were single loops, in the middle they were double loops and the bottom 5 were triple loops.

So what example does GoodOlDave have that is heavier and stronger toward the bottom?

psik



posted on Mar, 19 2012 @ 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by GoodOlDave

Originally posted by psikeyhackr

Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by psikeyhackr
 



If an airliner can destroy a skyscraper 2000+ times its own mass in less than two hours that is fine. BUT it should be completely explainable on the basis of accurate data. If an airliner cannot possibly have done it then that that is fine too BUT it should be explainable also on the basis of accurate data.


So how can a bullet weighing 1/3 of an ounce kill a man weighing 200 lbs - thats a 10,000 to 1 weight ratio

Itas a matter of velocity - accelerate a mass to high enough velocity and the resultant energy is exteremely
destructive.....


Someone else has done that idiotic sh# again. Compared and inanimate object hitting a larger animate object to an inanimate object hitting a large inanimate object.

Shoot a 200 lb tree stump with the same bullet and see what happens. Skyscrapers and tree stumps don't have knees and muscles and heart.

Endless idiotic drivel.

psik


Are you genuinely comparing the density of a hollow building with the density of a solid tree stump...?

Here's a wild, crazy thought- perhaps the reason why no physicist in the known universe is addressing your concerns is because you're simply play pretending with physics and you don't know jack [censored] what you're even talking about?


He was comparing a man to a skyscraper are you saying that is better?

Tree stumps are not steel and concrete either.

psik



posted on Mar, 19 2012 @ 11:46 AM
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Originally posted by GoodOlDave

To answer the OP's question, I think it's safe to say this guy isn't emboldening the terrorists in any way.


lmao! That one gets a star!



posted on Mar, 19 2012 @ 12:22 PM
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Actually the evidence is that 9/11 truthers infuriate terrorists. Just listen to the Al Qaeda spokesman in this clip :-

www.youtube.com...



posted on Mar, 19 2012 @ 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by psikeyhackr

He was comparing a man to a skyscraper are you saying that is better?

Tree stumps are not steel and concrete either.

psik


Excuse me, but he's not the one going around pretending to be a physics expert and belittling others for "not understanding elementary physics that even a third grader can understand".

I think what you're actually saying here is that you're quoting physics that would only sound realistic to a third grader.





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