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posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 09:05 PM
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Why ARE you bashing another's servants? Is He not capable of rebuking and chastising all who are His? Didn't He die for the world's sins? It's all about the Mashiyach, not YOU, not US, but HIM! Your attacks and hate towards Christians is not any different from the hateful Christians who attack others.

We're all sinners, that's why he came to die for us all. Even Peter had bad theology that Paul needed to rebuke. Our Master had concerns to all the churches He wrote to in Revelation except the missionary church at Philadelphia. There is already an accuser of the brethren, and he doesn't need your help. Moses's seat has been vacated for a LONG time.

Take care.

NuT




posted on Mar, 20 2012 @ 11:52 PM
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While I have no desire to descend to the level of your attempts at childish personal attacks, you should know that in your hurried attempt to mock me, I don't think you read what I said.
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posted on Mar, 21 2012 @ 12:18 AM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen23
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Acharya S Would hopefully be amused by an assertion she is a Muslim,, I doubt it. She most likely would verbally take every thing you have said and take it apart piece by piece and while politely creating you a new rectum show you the error of your thinking and leave you so bewildered that you might just learn to think first before saying something you know nothing about.....

Too funny Acharya S as Muslim.... what a Riot.


Well! Quite Eloquent!

I'm gonna put "mock me" into the same file of uselessness as "troll".
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posted on Mar, 21 2012 @ 01:20 AM
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I missed these two posts of yours from earlier, but it doesn't really make any difference, because your links quite wilfully admit to conflating Mithra with Mitra and Mithras for "ease of reading". While Mithra and Mitra were both derived from the same source, and Mithras derived from Mithra, and while they all share many characteristics, they are not the same entities.

Once again, Mithra certainly was not born of any "virgin anahita". And heck, while we're at it, he certainly wasn't the son of Ahura Mazda. Read the Avestas once in a while instead of relying on 3rd hand accounts that have been distorted to prove a point.
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posted on Mar, 21 2012 @ 04:21 AM
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What's with the guys in the video asking for evidence besides the bible? Do they not realize that the bible contains compiled testimonial evidence? Just because evidence has been compiled, it doesn't mean it should be dismissed.
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Are they just making the videos to get a laugh out of making people upset? Mocking someone about something they cherish so deeply isn't funny - it's bullying.



posted on Mar, 21 2012 @ 05:15 AM
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Seeing that all the bible books are written after the supposed death of Jesus and some many years later I don't think you can say they are accurate.
Like I said before many historians who lived in his life time did not mention him at all.



posted on Mar, 21 2012 @ 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by babloyi

I missed these two posts of yours from earlier, but it doesn't really make any difference, because your links quite wilfully admit to conflating Mithra with Mitra and Mithras for "ease of reading". While Mithra and Mitra were both derived from the same source, and Mithras derived from Mithra, and while they all share many characteristics, they are not the same entities.

Once again, Mithra certainly was not born of any "virgin anahita". And heck, while we're at it, he certainly wasn't the son of Ahura Mazda. Read the Avestas once in a while instead of relying on 3rd hand accounts that have been distorted to prove a point.


I would not use the Bible itself - - - for an objective and informed viewpoint of it. I would use non-affiliated scholars who specialize in historical facts and religious myths.

But - you believe whatever you want.



posted on Mar, 21 2012 @ 11:26 AM
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Yes, I see I should have made it clear I was Referring to the link Annee had posted. But it was your inference of said link I was speaking of, Maybe My Bad, I did read ALL of the posts regarding the Mithra debate between you,, and knew you weren't exclusively referring to Dr. Badiozamani



posted on Mar, 21 2012 @ 11:44 AM
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Bible? Who said anything about the Bible? You really need to get over your obsession with going against Christianity. It is clouding your judgement.
I was talking about the Avestas.

And if you want to know what a certain religion believes about one of their primary figures, yeah, you read that religion's book. I'm not talking rocket science...this is pretty obvious stuff.
If you want to learn how many days Jesus was supposed to have fasted, you COULD go to some "secular" (or in your case rabidly anti-christian) "scholar", but it would make way more sense to simply read the relevant part of the Bible to find out.

If you are going to trust the opinions of scholars with suspect motives over the original source material, I've got to say... you don't make a very good "rationalist empiricist skeptic".

reply to post by EarthCitizen23
 

It is true I wasn't exclusively talking about Dr. Badiozamani, but when I mentioned someone being muslim, I was talking about him. It wasn't hard to catch, since I said "Dr. Badiozamani is muslim", not "Acharya/D.M. Murdock is Muslim". But yeah. Clarity is key
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posted on Mar, 21 2012 @ 04:39 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Well yeah, obviously,.. I'm always the first one to admit it!


Yes, yes you are.



Yeah, the context of that was according to the will of God. It wasn't that God is some kind of magic vending machine and if you use the correct end to the prayer He'll give you whatever your heart desires.

There's a term for that philosophy, it's called "witchcraft". Doing certain acts, incantations, rituals and special words to force the hand of God or some other spirit being into your favor to do your bidding. And like I said, if that is a "false dichotomy", then you can take that up with the man who made the claim to begin with, Jesus.


So answers to prayers are in accordance with God's will? Remind me what the point of praying is then if everything is done according to the will of God. What's the point of converting someone if it goes against God's will? You see where I'm going with this.


That's only a 'false dichotomy" if Jesus isn't God.


Special pleading; we all know Jesus never claimed to be God.



posted on Mar, 21 2012 @ 05:07 PM
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Originally posted by babloyi
reply to post by Annee
 

Bible? Who said anything about the Bible? You really need to get over your obsession with going against Christianity. It is clouding your judgement.
I was talking about the Avestas.


I know what you were talking about - - some may not.

How is the reality of one myth different then the reality of another myth? A Myth is a Myth.

The Bible - Avestas - - - it doesn't matter. I'm not going to use their own writings to justify their story. I'm going to go to an outside source to get an objective and educated viewpoint. Which I did.


MYTH: a traditional or legendary story, usually concerning some being or hero or event, with or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation, especially one that is concerned with deities or demigods and explains some practice, rite, or phenomenon of nature. dictionary.reference.com...



posted on Mar, 21 2012 @ 05:40 PM
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Yes, this is why I talk about Christianity. I understand it the best, and I have beat my head against the wall long enough to understand them and myself. But it seems when someone is told they are wrong, either they get all uptight, or run away. I on the other hand for a very long time just took what was thrown at me, and didn't fight back.

Well I grew up, and I don't take garbage thrown at me anymore. I was brainwashed as a child till I was 26 or so to never think outside the set beliefs of Christianity or our home. If you did, you were ridiculed, mocked, and put fear into. So I did just that, left our family cause it was hurting more than it was helping my growth, and left the Christian system altogether.

And to say it was the best decision I have ever made. I feel no more stranglehold on my neck to think, and I now have a strict belief I am adhering to, according to Scripture, revelation, and the Spirit leading me. Its only a matter of time until I get hate messages, threats or even killed. It happend to the apostles, and prophets of old, and the Messiah. Its also gonna happen to me.

The message that the Apostles spoke, was so threatening to the Pharisees and the priests and the rest that they were stoned, jailed, threatened and the sort. What happened to Paul? Or Stephan/Stephanos who was stoned for his message? If your message of truth isn't angering people to the point of killing you, then it probably isnt the right one.

Acts 7:55 But he, being filled with the Set-apart Spirit, looked steadily into the heaven and saw the esteem of Alahym, and יהושוע standing at the right hand of Alahym,
7:56 and he said, “Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Aḏam standing at the right hand of Alahym!”
7:57 And crying out with a loud voice, they stopped their ears, and rushed upon him with one mind,
7:58 and threw him out of the city and stoned him. And the witnesses laid down their garments at the feet of a young man named Sha’ul.
7:59 And they were stoning Stephanos as he was calling and saying, “Master יהושוע, receive my spirit.”
7:60 And kneeling down he cried out with a loud voice, “Master, do not hold this sin against them.” And having said this, he fell asleep.


Stephanos was killed for what he said. He spoke the truth, and the heavens opened and saw the Son standing on the right hand of Alahym. He was preaching the truth, and he was killed for it. The risk I am willing to take, like everyone else should do for Yahuwah.



posted on Mar, 21 2012 @ 09:16 PM
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Originally posted by Seektruthalways1
reply to post by Annee
 


Yes, this is why I talk about Christianity. I understand it the best, and I have beat my head against the wall long enough to understand them and myself. But it seems when someone is told they are wrong, either they get all uptight, or run away. I on the other hand for a very long time just took what was thrown at me, and didn't fight back

Well I grew up, and I don't take garbage thrown at me anymore. I was brainwashed as a child till I was 26 or so to never think outside the set beliefs of Christianity or our home. If you did, you were ridiculed, mocked, and put fear into. So I did just that, left our family cause it was hurting more than it was helping my growth, and left the Christian system altogether.

And to say it was the best decision I have ever made. I feel no more stranglehold on my neck to think, and I now have a strict belief I am adhering to, according to Scripture, revelation, and the Spirit leading me. Its only a matter of time until I get hate messages, threats or even killed. It happend to the apostles, and prophets of old, and the Messiah. Its also gonna happen to me.

The message that the Apostles spoke, was so threatening to the Pharisees and the priests and the rest that they were stoned, jailed, threatened and the sort. What happened to Paul? Or Stephan/Stephanos who was stoned for his message? If your message of truth isn't angering people to the point of killing you, then it probably isnt the right one.
Stephanos was killed for what he said. He spoke the truth, and the heavens opened and saw the Son standing on the right hand of Alahym. He was preaching the truth, and he was killed for it. The risk I am willing to take, like everyone else should do for Yahuwah.


Someone needs to point you to some help. Since no one has,, I beg you to read this and take it in the honest brotherly love I say it. As Harsh as I may sound.

You said,, "This is also going to happen to me." referring to your future Martyrdom? You are no better than the pinhead Jihadist who strap bombs on themselves setting them off around women and children. You are a danger my friend,, to yourself and Others.

You will make a pitiful Martyr,, just as your Elohim is a pitiful deity. I say that not as an attack personally to you, except I pity you for your lack of humanity. The Arrogance of your supposed Knowledge has filled you with a false desire that you don't even understand or see,, pity. i hope you can remove it.

No need to try and educate me about your Elohim either as I know him very well. I totally understand the ideology and dogma you are following, Your Alahym, nothing more than A crybaby, jealous and full of wrath and fear,, who falsely thinks he is the Grand Creator of All. He is No more the Divine ALL than I,, he is just a part of the Whole , not the Whole itself , nor its creator. שכינה is gone from his presence and you are sorely in Need of her Loving Kindness and spirit to heal you and take you back to the gift of your Humanity.
As Enlil he lorded over the Earth and allowed the flood to kill many without giving more warning except that Ea, saved one genetic line to carry on.. His Involvement with Humanity has done nothing more than destroyed the balance that could have existed here on Earth. You claim others worship a false god, when you are the one who is wrong about who this Elohim is in this Reality.
Too bad the whole game you are involved in is nothing more than a bigger version of the KING RAT.
I see very clearly where you are lost in the Abyss you have allowed yourself to fall. Give yourself a break from all of it, and save yourself, forget about this Cosmic Battle which Humanity has been thrown. Enjoy your life some.
You really need to return to your humanity and quit such games before you hurt others or as your sick Martyr complex wishes,,, someone gives you what you seem to be asking for in your words here.
You should take a break from the Revelations, and listening to Spirit for a bit, so that some of your humanity can return and possibly save you from yourself
Some good Jungian therapy would help you immensely, as would just leaving this all behind until you come down off of your Martyr Cross,, because someone Needs the Wood

I know you won't listen and allow yourself a break from your religious zealotry. You sound like you are already lost in what you perceive as the Light of the TRUE Elohym who now is your Lord.

I wouldn't try and covert you or any thing of the like,,, because I can see the only hope for you would be to leave it all alone and walk away and relax in some of your humanity.
Too bad you believe that is the problem,,, your humanity.
Because it is the only thing that really will ever save you from yourself.
Peace be upon you my friend, you worry me, Be Love not this
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posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 12:04 AM
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What has the fact that it is a myth got to do with anything? It is a myth with a primary source that is easily available.

So if you wanted to find out the paintings in Dumbledore's office, you'd take the word of a Harry Potter expert over what is written in the books themselves?
This behaviour is the same as "those silly christians" you love mocking who prefer to never go beyond the words of their priest and don't even know what is in the Bible.

This thread has once again made obvious something I knew already....people can be silly no matter what their beliefs.



posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 12:13 AM
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Originally posted by babloyi
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What has the fact that it is a myth got to do with anything? It is a myth with a primary source that is easily available.


Maybe someone else can clue you in.

I have nothing more to say in regards to.



posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 12:20 AM
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Seeing that all the bible books are written after the supposed death of Jesus and some many years later I don't think you can say they are accurate.


What you said isn't true. The NT books were written after Christ, they need to be if their going to include testimony from eye-witnesses and the guy who interviewed the living eye-witnesses (Luke). The entire OT was completed at lest 400 years before Christ. In fact, the Septuagint (LXX) was codified and in black and white at least 300 years before Christ.



posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 12:26 AM
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So answers to prayers are in accordance with God's will? Remind me what the point of praying is then if everything is done according to the will of God. What's the point of converting someone if it goes against God's will? You see where I'm going with this.


No, basically I meant I can't ask Him for a Ferrari and a harem of hoes in my backyard and think that just because I say "In the name of Christ Jesus I pray, Amen" that He'll be like. "DANGIT!!! I hate my sons to be materialistic and fornicate with multiple women before marriage, but that guy got Me, He said the magic words at the end of the prayer so I must grant his wishes."

That's what I meant by "according to His will." He's already revealed His will to us as far as behavior and His plans for the future go. Thank you for responding though, I'll look forward to your next post friend.


Special pleading; we all know Jesus never claimed to be God.


Argumentum ad populum, appeal to authority, prejudicial arbitrary conjecture, and biased sample. Besides that, it's also demonstratively false, I've affirmed the opposite in this very thread.


Don't play the logic game with me please, let's just converse alright?









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posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 12:31 AM
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This behaviour is the same as "those silly christians" you love mocking who prefer to never go beyond the words of their priest and don't even know what is in the Bible.


Please, I mean no offense by this, but why so often do you guys post like you think we were born with a Bible in one hand and a rosary in the other? I'm nearing 40 and have been a believer in Christ for about a decade now. This wasn't always the case, I was educated in the same public school system you were friend.




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posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 04:01 AM
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No offense taken, NuT. I was specifically talking about those people who WERE like what I said (or at least the atheist perception of them). You cannot deny that there are many who call themselves "Christian" simply because they were born like that, and haven't ever gone beyond the occasional church visit, and rarely open their bible.



posted on Mar, 22 2012 @ 04:12 AM
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Originally posted by babloyi
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No offense taken, NuT. I was specifically talking about those people who WERE like what I said (or at least the atheist perception of them). You cannot deny that there are many who call themselves "Christian" simply because they were born like that, and haven't ever gone beyond the occasional church visit, and rarely open their bible.


Nope, can't deny that, you're right, I read it wrong then friend, it seemed to me like it was a swipe at us all in a general sense. Time 4 bed anyways, I'm starting to gloss over context... tired. Take care, see u soon around these parts.

NuT




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