Originally posted by Patchman
reply to post by FugitiveSoul
I am not going to spend time trying to break down your claims. Instead of defending the Christian faith I will simply share with you my beliefs. I
feel it might be more constructive towards actually gaining something from this conversation.
I was raised in the Christian Church, I spend 3-4 nights a week there. Youth group, cell groups, worship band, potlucks. when I graduated high school
I traveled to Turkey while attending a discipleship training school and helped spread the word of God. This has given me a rich context of experiences
to draw from and assess religion from my own point of view.
Believe me, I'm no atheist. I too grew up in a religious home. My parents, both pagans, came from Catholic and Baptists backgrounds. When my father
remarried (after my mother passed in '01), he married a lovely woman who was raised Jewish, and later decided paganism better suited her spiritual
I too have travelled the world. I was fortunate enough to visit Vatican City while Pope John Paul II was blessing the crowd.
Don't get me wrong. I have no problem with religion... when it's kept under wraps and/or at the very least remains respectful.
I like to think of all of the worlds religions as a metaphor.
Picture the spokes of a wheel, all leading back to a central hub, and is surrounded by the outer rim.
The spokes represent all of the diverse religions around the world, but it also represents how all are interdependent on eachother and not any single
spoke is enough to support that central hub and outer rim on it's own. It takes all of the spokes to get to the central hub of truth and fully support
and functioning wheel.
I can agree with that. I quite beautiful metaphor actually. There's no denying that the origin of all things, from living organisms, to rocks, light
particles, even thoughts are all energy, and this energy, whether you call it "god" or not, exists.
To sum it up, I am admitting yes religions have been changed over the years but that doesnt mean they dont provide a template on how to live a
fulfilling life for some people. Many lessons can be learned because we all know history repeats itself and many religious books help to forewarn us
of potential evils.
Yes, but if history does indeed repeat itself, then religion is also something to be very wary of. Some of the worst atrocities in human history have
been committed in the name of "god." Let's not forget that.
the canon books of the bible were obviously chosen tactfully to create a better control of the people, and you can actually learn a lot from some of
the books that were left out like the book of st thomas, judas, and enoch. The entire rastafarian is based on the book of enoch. that is another
discussion on its own.
Again, there is truth to this, however there is nothing in the bible that can't be, nor hasn't been learned in other places, or older places. Even
the "Golden Rule" predates the bible by quite a bit.
I have a very complex set of beliefs myself, but I can't stand when people who have not experienced religion for themselves go out of their way to
I have experienced religion, and while there are those who use religion as a moral compass to live well while allowing others to live via their own
path, there are many many
more who use it as a weapon to condemn and demonize their fellow man with "you're either with us, or you're a product
of Satan." Something I
I probably agree with you on a lot of things like conspiracies about HAARP, illuminati, nwo, political election rigging, etc..but the one thing
religion has given me is the perspective of Love. I know it sounds retarded but when you think with your Heart consciousness you see things from a
completely new perspective.
Believe me, I do think with my heart, and I'm probably one of the most passive people you will ever meet, but when someone (not all Christians or
other extremists mind your, but someone) tells me that I, or more importantly, my son
will roast in hell because he has not been Baptized...
Well, that's the kind of issue I have with religion. People waging wars, blowing each other up, telling one man or woman how they must
is the problem many have with this subject, which is why I pointed another fella in this thread, who was using the book of Matthew as
proof as to why
it was his duty to tell people how to live, I pointed him to Matthew 6:5-6. Anyone should be allowed to follow god... or what
ever they believe, but keep that faith to yourself. Don't try and force-feed dogma. It never ends well for either party.
I hope we can talk more and learn from eachother!
This I hope as well, friend.
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