Don't You Religious Nuts Have Better Things To Do?

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posted on Mar, 18 2012 @ 01:44 PM
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Originally posted by jude11

Originally posted by OldCorp
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Damn dude, I don't know what to say except "Who pissed in your cornflakes?" I hope that you don't feel that way about me, because as far as I know you and I are totally cool.

I'm sorry that you feel intruded upon, but let me tell you something: We ALL feel a change coming, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Druids, New Agers, and Atheists alike. I can't speak for other religions, but Christians are only looking to save as many people as possible before it is too late. In order to do that, we have to witness about what we know to be true.

I would certainly never try to force my beliefs down anyone's throat, but I will defend them. Also, there is a religious forum for a reason. If you don't want to hear about the beliefs of other people, then maybe you shouldn't frequent it. Even in secular threads you will run across religious posts from time to time, which is to be expected. Even if you don't believe in God, most of the trouble in the world is caused by those who do, in His name, something I'm sure He's gonna be pissed about when He gets back.

There is no escaping it my friend. Atheists are a minority; most of the world's population believes in a Supreme Being in one form or another. Expecting the subject to be ignored is an exercise in futility.

Jesus loves you, and so do I.


Bobby


OldCorp,

You and I have shared many conversations, opinions, viewpoints...some agreed upon, some not. And we still have that easy relationship of mutual respect and understanding with one another. At least that's how I see it.

And that's my point.

You never try to push an agenda or belief on me. You express your side, I express mine and we agree to disagree...but with respect. I don't try to convince you of my views on religion and you don't bash into threads with a force that leaves people angry at religion either. I am not angry at religion, just those that would elevate themselves above all others not sharing the same beliefs.

As in the OP, I have absolutely no problems with Christians. If they are happy, I am glad they can be. After all, not many can lay claim to being happy. My problem is with those that "Preach" Hell-Fire and Damnation to all who don't believe in their God.

There are Christians, Seekers of Faith, Live and let Live Folks (Me)...and there are Religious Nuts. These are what the OP is about.

Peace Old Corp...and I truly mean that.





Ooh Rah.




posted on Mar, 18 2012 @ 02:25 PM
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I totally agree with you. Here's a picture I found a few days ago, I wont put it directly into the post because it has a bad word in it but its pretty epic. Christians and non-Christians alike should look at this.

imgfave.com...

So, there you have it. Jesus teaches to love, understand, and not to judge anyone. Any Christian that tells you you're going to hell for not believing is going to hell themselves. Any Christian that tells a gay person they are going to hell will go to hell themselves for judging. That is, if there is a hell.

I'm an atheist, and I understand the teachings of Jesus better than most Christians. Sad, sad.



posted on Mar, 18 2012 @ 02:49 PM
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Religion is a means to control the population and has clearly lost its luster as people get educated and see things for themselves. This is why the Catholic Church creates commercials asking for Catholics to come back, their religion is losing numbers by the day and good!

Don't be religious, be spiritual.




posted on Mar, 18 2012 @ 04:14 PM
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I definitely agree with your post OP, although I have nothing against religion, outright preaching saying your faith is right is wrong in my opinion. I mean there are so many world religions we do not even know with 100% certainty who is right or wrong. You definitely are right though, we are in a time in society where religion and secularism are clashing, however I mainly put my faith in science. Faith is an important evolutionary tool that has allowed humans to cope with the hardships of life and the universe. The question of whether God exists or not should be limited to the domains of philosophy and in the end, it is truly a personal matter.



posted on Mar, 18 2012 @ 04:14 PM
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In my opinion, Jesus was the first Communist, "share your wealth."



posted on Mar, 18 2012 @ 04:25 PM
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I think this is an important topic, so thanks for making the thread. My grandmother is like this to an extent, but even she isn't nearly as bad as some of those I've seen online...Even on this site. I am wondering if people like this are, psychologically speaking, doing this to reinforce their beliefs because subconsciously they have doubts...Or something similar to that going on behind the scenes.

Sometimes I think that people act this way, and literally act crazily, because they literally are crazy. They have some sort of psychological problem that is the root cause. Much of the time I do not get annoyed or offended at what they say, and sometimes I may even agree with them, but there comes a point when there is a difference between expressing your views and forcing your beliefs on others.

If they truly are doing it for the benefit of mankind, to convert people to their religion, they apparently haven't realized that going over the top isn't the way to do it. Forcing anything on anyone is a bad idea. So I say that anyone who qualifies as a "religious nutter" should really evaluate their methods.

If your faith encourages you to spread the word, so to speak, it can be done without harassing or forcing that faith on anyone.



posted on Mar, 18 2012 @ 04:29 PM
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You just called the beliefs of religious people "fairy tales" and you have the audacity to complain about their threads?

Sounds like you are on the extreme opposite end of that spectrum.

I know one thing, whether it's a "fairy tale" or not, we'll all find out one day, including YOU.

I'd rather believe there is a heaven than believe it all fades to black. So friggin sue me.



posted on Mar, 18 2012 @ 04:38 PM
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Originally posted by Lionhearte
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First, I would like to say that yes, I am a Christian. A hardcore, radical, believes-everything-the-Bible-says-even-the-OT, kind of Christian. Non-denominational.

I do not believe in forcing religion down people's throats. Many of my friends, even the Atheist ones, agree that I am not a Bible Thumper - something they define their other "Christian" friends who try to shove the Bible down their throat. I do not believe this based off my own opinion alone (because honestly, it's common courtesy), but the Bible ITSELF says not to do that. The ones who do that, are wrong.

Second, you have to understand WHY they are doing this - from the Christian perspective, anyone who isn't 'born-anew' appears as a victim stuck in a burning house, and they are simply trying to save your life - what they (Christians) don't realize, is that it's IMPOSSIBLE to save or "convert" anyone. The Bible says this also, and clearly states never to force it upon people - in fact, it says if they want nothing to do with it, walk away. Matthew 10:14 - "If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town." Some Christians (I'm no exception) are just stubborn.

Besides, one of the MAIN reasons why they are so eager to get you to believe, is because it's as EASY as BELIEVING IN JESUS.

That's it. No tricks. Bible doesn't say to be baptized with "holy water" (no such thing), or to do 20 hail-marys, or to tithe 50% of your paycheck, or to go to Church EVERY DAY, or to do this, or to do that, or to DO ANYTHING.

Because it's not about what WE do, it's about what JESUS did. For further discussion on this, see the thread in my signature.

Anyways.. I'll stop before it seems like I'm trying to shove it down your throat - I'm not, I just want you to realize how easy it is to get to Heaven (remember the Thief on the Cross!), and why so many Christians are eager for you to hear the Good News.





Please be more specific as to exactly where in the Bible this is stated, for future reference.

Thousands of Catholic Priests were so afraid of going to hell they went out and raped and molested children for years.

The Rev. Al Sharpton and Rev. Jesse Jackson are helping dig the hole to hell and as leaders of their church (not sure where these churches are) don't seem to be worried about hell as they lie, commit adultery an smoke crack.

How about the teaching of the Westminister Church or hey we could drink the Jimmy Jones Kool Aid.

Look what religions have done to oppress people for centuries. STHU already.

I will party in hell like it's 1999!



posted on Mar, 18 2012 @ 04:39 PM
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I have many family and friends down south that are Christians, and most of them somewhat keep it to themselves. There are exceptions, and some cannot have a conversation without a bible reference. Most of the families have done well, are happy, contribute to their town, and seem to avoid much turmoil that so many have experienced. The difference for me are the Christians that are overzealous in converting, versus the Christians that live the life and affect others by example, not preaching. There is something to be said about the impenetrable faith and hope of many Christians, in that they are able to maintain forbearance, and keep some of the dark yet real aspects of this modern world, out of their lives.

In fairness, we have specific religious/creationism forums here to accommodate the debate/conveyance, including general chit chat and I suppose prophecies too, so there is a lot of room for such opinions. The science forums, imo, no, should not be a place for religious perspectives unless coupled with science and evidence, somehow. I just skip over what I suspect is another theological rant, so the issue does not really irk me, because I do not expose myself to it.

Peace,
spec



posted on Mar, 18 2012 @ 04:50 PM
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I agree with you. Don't go around telling that to Conservative America though, you may end up with an angry mob on your hands.



posted on Mar, 18 2012 @ 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by AwakeinNM
You just called the beliefs of religious people "fairy tales" and you have the audacity to complain about their threads?

Sounds like you are on the extreme opposite end of that spectrum.

I know one thing, whether it's a "fairy tale" or not, we'll all find out one day, including YOU.

I'd rather believe there is a heaven than believe it all fades to black. So friggin sue me.


Ok, Here we go explaining my OP yet again.

As I mentioned, I can accept differences in beliefs. And many times I do read them out of interest but in the last little while, the "Religious Nuts" (Not the same as true Christians IMO) are getting angry, forceful and superior attitudes are abundant.


I can usually just accept these religious threads popping up on ATS with a "Live and let live" approach, skim and move on.

I have said many times on these boards that I have no problem with Christians and hope that whatever makes you happy will continue to do so. I practice that stance by NOT trolling your threads and NOT being rude about what I believe compared to your beliefs.

I usually hold my belief that the bible is a fairy tale out of respect for those that find comfort in the teachings. Actually, my mother being one of those that find solace.


I would also like to say that if you can discuss your beliefs intelligently with patience, understanding and an insight into the fact that we are not all going to cross the field to your side because you say it's the only way...I'll welcome your input and won't damn you for your beliefs if you will kindly treat me equally.


Do I believe? No. But I don't force my beliefs on anyone and I certainly don't want to be rude about it. But seeing that the same approach is not taken by so many lately, why should I hold my tongue?

My OP is meant to show how it looks from the other side because there really is more than one belief system out there. Christianity is not the only one.


I'd rather believe there is a heaven than believe it all fades to black. So friggin sue me.

And again I have stated that if you believe and it brings you peace, how is that wrong? I can't fault that which brings you joy and I would expect the same in return.

But why would I sue you?
JK.

Anyways, Peace...Really



posted on Mar, 18 2012 @ 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by jude11

Originally posted by AwakeinNM
You just called the beliefs of religious people "fairy tales" and you have the audacity to complain about their threads?

Sounds like you are on the extreme opposite end of that spectrum.

I know one thing, whether it's a "fairy tale" or not, we'll all find out one day, including YOU.

I'd rather believe there is a heaven than believe it all fades to black. So friggin sue me.


Ok, Here we go explaining my OP yet again.

As I mentioned, I can accept differences in beliefs. And many times I do read them out of interest but in the last little while, the "Religious Nuts" (Not the same as true Christians IMO) are getting angry, forceful and superior attitudes are abundant.


I can usually just accept these religious threads popping up on ATS with a "Live and let live" approach, skim and move on.

I have said many times on these boards that I have no problem with Christians and hope that whatever makes you happy will continue to do so. I practice that stance by NOT trolling your threads and NOT being rude about what I believe compared to your beliefs.

I usually hold my belief that the bible is a fairy tale out of respect for those that find comfort in the teachings. Actually, my mother being one of those that find solace.


I would also like to say that if you can discuss your beliefs intelligently with patience, understanding and an insight into the fact that we are not all going to cross the field to your side because you say it's the only way...I'll welcome your input and won't damn you for your beliefs if you will kindly treat me equally.


Do I believe? No. But I don't force my beliefs on anyone and I certainly don't want to be rude about it. But seeing that the same approach is not taken by so many lately, why should I hold my tongue?

My OP is meant to show how it looks from the other side because there really is more than one belief system out there. Christianity is not the only one.


I'd rather believe there is a heaven than believe it all fades to black. So friggin sue me.

And again I have stated that if you believe and it brings you peace, how is that wrong? I can't fault that which brings you joy and I would expect the same in return.

But why would I sue you?
JK.

Anyways, Peace...Really


You clearly do NOT accept different beliefs when you call Bible stories "fairy tales". Unless your definition of "acceptance" is different form mine.



posted on Mar, 18 2012 @ 05:07 PM
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just my thougts. I also think a most Christians would end up in hell. Because they want armagodoen so they can be raptured up and play football with god or whatever. The reality of it is they want humans to suffer more pain.



posted on Mar, 18 2012 @ 05:34 PM
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The "scientific age" has to be careful not to leave a void in spirituality/love.

We now have epidemic porn on the internet so young people dont go through all the awkwardness/exploring of adolescence. Instead of patience in a relationship the norm is screwing around with increases in sexually-transmitted diseases and record divorce rates. Food, money, drug and alcohol abuse is epidemic.

The instant gratification one achieves on laptops is becoming popular in all areas of life.

One of the students I know said that GWF Hegel described a third age of the marriage of religion and science - the first age being religion and the second age being science.

Perhaps the graph should have 3 axes - religion, science and sprituality or love?



posted on Mar, 18 2012 @ 06:04 PM
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What gets on my nerves most is those who think the world would descend into chaos if people gave up religion. It is like they believe a human cannot have morals without having read it on a piece of paper changed and manipulated over hundreds of generations. I do not follow any religions and I wish people would stop trying to save me when the world suffers enough from imposing beliefs and the fake hope it provides.

* Also I wish people stopped associating spirituality with religion, meditating and looking after the wellness of the mind and body is something that should be instinct in humans. *
edit on 18-3-2012 by OwenGP185 because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 18 2012 @ 06:11 PM
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Originally posted by AwakeinNM

Originally posted by jude11

Originally posted by AwakeinNM
You just called the beliefs of religious people "fairy tales" and you have the audacity to complain about their threads?

Sounds like you are on the extreme opposite end of that spectrum.

I know one thing, whether it's a "fairy tale" or not, we'll all find out one day, including YOU.

I'd rather believe there is a heaven than believe it all fades to black. So friggin sue me.


Ok, Here we go explaining my OP yet again.

As I mentioned, I can accept differences in beliefs. And many times I do read them out of interest but in the last little while, the "Religious Nuts" (Not the same as true Christians IMO) are getting angry, forceful and superior attitudes are abundant.


I can usually just accept these religious threads popping up on ATS with a "Live and let live" approach, skim and move on.

I have said many times on these boards that I have no problem with Christians and hope that whatever makes you happy will continue to do so. I practice that stance by NOT trolling your threads and NOT being rude about what I believe compared to your beliefs.

I usually hold my belief that the bible is a fairy tale out of respect for those that find comfort in the teachings. Actually, my mother being one of those that find solace.


I would also like to say that if you can discuss your beliefs intelligently with patience, understanding and an insight into the fact that we are not all going to cross the field to your side because you say it's the only way...I'll welcome your input and won't damn you for your beliefs if you will kindly treat me equally.


Do I believe? No. But I don't force my beliefs on anyone and I certainly don't want to be rude about it. But seeing that the same approach is not taken by so many lately, why should I hold my tongue?

My OP is meant to show how it looks from the other side because there really is more than one belief system out there. Christianity is not the only one.


I'd rather believe there is a heaven than believe it all fades to black. So friggin sue me.

And again I have stated that if you believe and it brings you peace, how is that wrong? I can't fault that which brings you joy and I would expect the same in return.

But why would I sue you?
JK.

Anyways, Peace...Really


You clearly do NOT accept different beliefs when you call Bible stories "fairy tales". Unless your definition of "acceptance" is different form mine.


And this is the point of the OP. If I don't speak, write or explain myself in the exact way that is acceptable to you, I'm wrong.

Do I believe they are fairy tales? Absolutely. Yet I challenge you to find my posting that belief anywhere here on the boards. This is the difference. I have left my beliefs out of it in order to NOT offend anyone and their beliefs. Many Christians will do the same but the "Religious Nuts" just can't seem to grasp this concept.

It seems that "Live and let live" is just not good enough for the nutters. It's their way or we are all going to hell. And before you reply, make sure that you take note of the difference I am referring to when I say "Christian" vs "Religious Nuts" because they are also different in their approach to the subject.

I have made many friends here that are Christian and we have nice, thought out, intelligent conversations about everything from politics to religion. How is this possible you may ask? Because my Christian friends treat me with respect and courtesy instead of contempt and disdain...And I return in kind.

So, we will either be friends and discuss whatever interests us (including religion) or we won't be friends because the only topic able to be discussed is that if I don't believe I am eternally damned.

I'm ok with your convictions...but are you ok with mine?

Peace



posted on Mar, 18 2012 @ 06:15 PM
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This is what the lord said to Luke;
"I....Am...your....father".
Have you heard the good news?



posted on Mar, 18 2012 @ 06:32 PM
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I didn't read the post. This is only a comment for the headline.

Yeah, well don't atheist have better things to do? I just read they unblessed a Florida highway.

Source



posted on Mar, 18 2012 @ 06:43 PM
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Originally posted by jude11
I would also like to say that if you can discuss your beliefs intelligently with patience, understanding and an insight...
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In all my years of joining in religious talks merely for the sake of conversation not ONE believer ever said, "Yeah, you're right, that part of the bible doesn't make sense." They always derail the topic and go off in another direction or spew some insanity like the church is the bride and jesus is the groom, or some such nonsense.

I have never gotten an answer to questions like: Where is Egypt's historical NON-religious records of every firstborn dying? Sure seems like if there are historical accounts of the pharoahs dating back to that time, then the mass deaths of all the firstborns would surely have been written about other than in the bible.

If god found man to be so bad that he drowned all of them in a flood, how could he come up with the idea of, 'Kill my son and I'll forgive all sins from there on."



posted on Mar, 18 2012 @ 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by jude11
I'm ok with your convictions...but are you ok with mine?

Peace


Well, we're not okay with your convictions if you're a 35 year old adult that still believes in easter bunnies and leprchauns. Oh yeah, and gods and angels and devils and demons and demon possessions. We are not okay with you believing that praying to a god will help you find a lost ring when he won't let millions of starving children find food. We are not okay with you believing that a god is all-loving and all-merciful, all the while totally denying the parts of the bible where he's murdered millions, where he's explained how to treat your slaves, how and when you should kill people, how he's changed into a good guy from the old testament to the new testament, how every word of the bible is 100% true.

Believing in such nonsense is an embarrassment to mankind.



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