Archaeologists uncover pre-Christian temple in Norway

Originally posted by MrSinister
reply to post by Auricom

 

Each to his own.. Granted, they`re not as graphic or tabloid as your preferred reading material

On a sidenote: Aftenposten actually has its own "Wikileaks" section and were given the entire cablegate-thingy to distribute. I guess mr.Assange deemed them to be the most un-biased and serious actor of our major news-outlets (make of it what you will)



Hva med Klassekampen og Morgenbladet?

I think it means they bid the highest for the story
well all thread misdirection aside the paper did rank higher then some of the papers mentioned that didn't carry the piece ..but them maybe they did
we have only an unsourced opinion on that from someone who it looks like never read the OP



class struggle hmmm
jaded comment
but are you saynig a great many Norwegians read a socialist paper?
what would that have to do with this thread I wonder?

reply to post by longjohnbritches

Lay it out I will
In your op, first post, you contend via an article,
That a hole in Norway made by humans, had human bones in it.
That hole was covered with dirt.
you think it had something to do with Christians. How am I doing so far?

terrible
I see you don't do references
and can't click links
( hint you have buttons on your mouse)
NOW PROVE IT DIDN"T HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH CHRISTIANS
next...



PS i can se why posters Including christians have complained about such conduct on this thread


IM sure if jesus has a problem with my thread he will ket me know
he's a big enough boy to take care of him self

Originally posted by Danbones
reply to post by longjohnbritches

 

I see you don't do references
and can't click links
( hint you have buttons on your mouse)
next

I take that as agree?

I have given you a recent equal to that several times.
I will give it to you again.
Today, Christians are sending money in form of taxes and gifts to Isreal.
Isreal is killing Palistinians in conqured Phalistine with the help of that money.
They are bulldozing down the conqured towns and villages and are building over top of them. The grave sites would contain human bones too.
How am I doing? not off topic or offence or anything yet?

reply to post by longjohnbritches

Id like to see you reference your claim
even a socialist norwegian news paper article would be a good start

I'll let you in on a little secret:
Im not sure that just because people claim to worship christ they actually do
after all he is billed as the fresh PRINCE of PEACE
to Claime to FOLLOW CHRIST while practicing luciferian bankerism
is somewhat disengenious is it not?
I have cited many references to this un christ like behaviour throughout this thread

Since Jesus bashed him some bankers no?
I don't recall him bashing unbelievers or children or vikings or the dna proved decendants of the biblical Hebrews..the Palistinians.many of whom are Christian believe it or not

the church of the mob connected vatigan bank
well
as you can see from the historical record if you CLICK some LINKS
they sanctioned the invasion of that area at the time of the invasion
as you can see from the myriad of links I have posted

so
where are the links in reference to this loaded question of yours?

Originally posted by Danbones
reply to post by longjohnbritches

 

Id like to see you reference your claim
even a socialist norwegian news paper article would be a good start

I'll let you in on a little secret:
Im not sure that just because people claim to worship christ they actually do
after all he is billed as the fresh PRINCE of PEACE
to Claime to FOLLOW CHRIST while practicing luciferian bankerism
is somewhat disengenious is it not?
I have cited many references to this un christ like behaviour throughout this thread

Since Jesus bashed him some bankers no?
I don't recall him bashing unbelievers or children or vikings or the dna proved decendants of the biblical Hebrews..the Palistinians.many of whom are Christian believe it or not

the church of the mob connected vatigan bank
well
as you can see from the historical record if you CLICK some LINKS
they sanctioned the invasion of that area at the time of the invasion
as you can see from the myriad of links I have posted

so
where are the links in reference to this loaded question of yours?

edit on 20-3-2012 by Danbones because: (no reason given)

edit on 20-3-2012 by Danbones because: (no reason given)

Hi Dan,

press QUOTE
Then I will know,WHICH CLAIM, WHAT CLAIM you want a reference to?

Do the right thing son,
Quote me so I can answer whatever you disagree with.
I am here for you.

are you related philosophically to Joesph Kony's form of chritianity in some way?

he is a christian
The Lords Resistance Army
in fact the US government just tabled a resolution to invade africa to get him
because of what he does to children
the lord's resistance army
yeah thats him

What effect has Joseph Kony and the LRA had on the region and how do people there feel about them?

Julien: Even as the LRA has been expelled from Northern Uganda and does not operate there anymore, it has relocated itself, hiding in the dense forest of South Sudan, Central African Republic and the northeastern DRC. Although the LRA has only a small number of "fighters" left, perhaps only 200-300 according to most cited estimates, and attacks in quite small numbers, usually only 4 to 5 attackers, it has been able to survive, spreading terror and havoc in these regions of Central Africa through lightning attacks: killing, maiming, looting, raping, abducting people, mostly women and children; men are usually beaten or killed. Mass graves have also been discovered on occasions, further spreading terror of the LRA among the local population.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

or are you perhaps
a Catholic priest?
you know you have a similar debating style to some that have been in the news lately

maybe this is what scared the norse men

German priest is on trial for numerous cases of child rape. The one thing that is truly remarkable about the case is how unaware the priest is of simple human morality.

A German Catholic priest has admitted 280 counts of sexual abuse involving three boys in the past decade, saying he did not think he was doing harm.

freethoughtblogs.com...

perhaps they lit out in respect to their children

reply to post by Danbones


VG is very popular. But to be honest, beyond those I listed (Dagbladet, VG, nettavisen osv.) I don't read much Norwegian news.

reply to post by Auricom

one can only cover so much ground in a day

side note
I have a small skiff built along the same style of clinker construction as the viking long ships
built couresy of a danish master carpenter who has married into the family

He came to Canada for the freedom.
and the fact we have lots of trees
and boats

Hi Dan,

press QUOTE
Then I will know,WHICH CLAIM, WHAT CLAIM you want a reference to?

Do the right thing son,
Quote me so I can answer whatever you disagree with.
I am here for you.


second attempt beeeep beeep beeep
Hang up

me too I gota boat

Another century passes before the whole of Denmark is united in a single kingdom, under the rule of Harald Bluetooth - who is baptized a Christian in about 960.

In the way of royal converts, he sees this personal event as the conversion of all the Danes (an achievement commemorated in Denmark's famous Jelling Stone).

In the way of royal converts, he sees this personal event as the conversion of all the Danes (an achievement commemorated in Denmark's famous Jelling Stone).

Harald's son Sweyn extends the Danish kingdom to England in 1013, and his grandson Canute rules an empire which includes Denmark, England and even for a while (1030-1035) the kingdom of Norway.

Norway has only a few years previously become a single kingdom. Olaf II, ruling from 1015 to 1030, unites the whole region under one crown. Sweden achieves similar unity rather later; not until the dynasty established by Birger Jarl in the 13th century does the Swedish kingdom have the stature to match Denmark or Norway.

www.historyworld.net...
hhm
The king converts so does every one in his kindom
well..the holy spirit got a break....
You are TO SLOW we haz a fastest way just kill a few unbelievers burn their shrines
automation!
HIDE YOUR SHRINES!

then the loving NOW CHRISTIAN vikings go off and invade all the neighbours
HIDE YOUR SHRINES!

now what kind of religion doesn't let you have a personal choice?
one that figures you wouldn't choose it by choice

so where did jesus say:
MAKE THEM BOW BEFORE ME WITH YOUR SWORDS!
?
was that a directive from the temple bankers at the vatican
I know in this day and age the bankers call it spreading democracy
vote the way we tell you or else!
then they tell the troops they are doing gods work

we see the vikings getting real upity AFTER taking up the prince of peace
I'm wondering if other then raids and creating small trading colonies if the pagan vikings actualy did any forced paganising?
I'm sure someone will have some well referenced opinions on this question.
( other then like on page 1 when we saw the pagan vikings starting a war with the indians by giving them milk farts)

Originally posted by Danbones
Why do christians have to destroy and/or build on top of other people's holy sites?

You do know that the Romans built temples on top of Greek holy sites, right?

reply to post by Danbones


I never meant to derail the thread even further, certainly not to throw class struggle into the mix I tend to digress and this was a failed attempt at an in-joke on norwegian media. I apologize.

I for one, prefer alternative news-outlets, ATS being a prime example.

Anyways.. In regards to the OP I find it sad that any dominating religion, exerts itself by usurping/crushing/removing the former ones. In this particular case the original builders apparantly hid their "VE" from Christians, or equally plausible, from Thor worshippers. Regardless, they hid it from religious persecution, which is a travesty no matter who the culprit. I remember the Taliban blew up some magnificent Buddha-statues in Afghanistan, sadly its the same old story.

What really strikes me as ironic with this particular story, is how history seems to repeat itself. This find is being hailed as unique and one a kind in Norway, yet it is now the site of a building project. Once again this religious site is intentionally "hid" or demolished. This time with concrete from a society that deems itself religiously tolerant (yet blissfully ignorant of its own cultural heritage)

Rant ends

Originally posted by signal2noise

Originally posted by Danbones
Why do christians have to destroy and/or build on top of other people's holy sites?

You do know that the Romans built temples on top of Greek holy sites, right?

certainly I would think they did
the vatican that was sanctioning, and collecting largess from, all the conquering is in the area of and decendant from...
....Rome

are we observing a tried and true element of empire?

Originally posted by MrSinister
Once again this religious site is intentionally "hid" or demolished. This time with concrete from a society that deems itself religiously tolerant (yet blissfully ignorant of its own cultural heritage) Rant ends

Well, it's more about bowing down to the great god 'Moolah'. In many jurisdictions, mine included, archaeology for its own sake has been radically defunded, and is now propelled, instead, by the development process. Mind you, if tight controls are in place then chances of preserving...or at least rescuing...important resources, are improved. However, timetables become tight.

Originally posted by MrSinister
reply to post by Danbones

 

I never meant to derail the thread even further, certainly not to throw class struggle into the mix

I tend to digress and this was a failed attempt at an in-joke on norwegian media. I apologize.

I for one, prefer alternative news-outlets, ATS being a prime example.

Anyways.. In regards to the OP I find it sad that any dominating religion, exerts itself by usurping/crushing/removing the former ones. In this particular case the original builders apparantly hid their "VE" from Christians, or equally plausible, from Thor worshippers. Regardless, they hid it from religious persecution, which is a travesty no matter who the culprit. I remember the Taliban blew up some magnificent Buddha-statues in Afghanistan, sadly its the same old story.

What really strikes me as ironic with this particular story, is how history seems to repeat itself. This find is being hailed as unique and one a kind in Norway, yet it is now the site of a building project. Once again this religious site is intentionally "hid" or demolished. This time with concrete from a society that deems itself religiously tolerant (yet blissfully ignorant of its own cultural heritage)

Rant ends

Those are very good points
It seems religion gets to be a tool of control ...instead of as a vehicle for personal enlightenment

The "hide from Thor worships" sounds interesting
Were they known for that sort of religion bashing ( I wouldn't be suprised if they were known for bashing
...the hammer and all)
I'd love to see some references to that on the thread - that would provide for good balance...

no problem with the Joe King
it won't be the first one I miss...and I wanted to show the non clickers what one can do with a one click translator...

I hate suspence, so I just went looking myself:

Odinists strongly disapprove of the way Christians and Muslims have engaged in missionary work among less developed peoples, undermining their traditional customs and way of life, while imposing upon them alien moral and cultural standards, much in the same way as the Church acted towards the heathen English during the conversion period.

Odinists do not desire to convert the whole world to Odinism, because, whereas paganism is universal, the Odinist form of paganism is ethnospecific.

Indeed, were we to receive a request to administer the Odinist Pledge of Faith to, say, a Japanese or a Nigerian, we would encourage that person to embrace his indigenous form of heathenism, because heathens of all nations believe in being true to oneself and to one's ancestors.

www.odinistfellowship.co.uk...

hmmmm...
this is why it is nice to reference

The Temples of Thor
Temples seem to have been uncommon among the Norse and Anglo-Saxon peoples, most worship was done in sacred groves or by burial mounds. Places of sacrifice were marked by carved posts or piles of stones (horgs). Offerings of animals, food, ale and precious metals were given to Thor, while human sacrifice was limited to criminals whose execution was offered to the god of justice (in Iceland anyway).

There are several temples to Thor recorded, the most famous being the great temple of Uppsala in Sweden. Other temples are mentioned in the Norse Sagas but the descriptions may be partly based on Christian churches. The Sagas describe luxurious buildings decorated with tapestries with life like figures of the gods ornamented with gold and fine fabrics.
Historically Thor's worshippers were the peaceful farmers, labourers and artisans which give him the image of a peasant's god, but his cult had a huge following

Now here is somthing interesting
Thors Chariot is also the dipper ( pic at link) which points out the north star .
The northstar is what the ancients who navigated and knew the world was round when the church was saying it was flat, would site with the celtic cross in order to navigate

Which like with the mayans version ( as we saw in references posted earlier ) cross ws disappeard purposefully by the christians..who appear to be cross.

...The Viking Age was a period of considerable religious change in Scandinavia. Part of the popular image of the Vikings is that they were all pagans, with a hatred of the Christian Church, but this view is very misleading. It is true that almost the entire population of Scandinavia was pagan at the beginning of the Viking Age, but the Vikings had many gods, and it was no problem for them to accept the Christian god alongside their own. Most scholars today believe that Viking attacks on Christian churches had nothing to do with religion, but more to do with the fact that monasteries were typically both wealthy and poorly defended, making them an easy target for plunder.


monasteries were typically both wealthy and poorly defended, making them an easy target for plunder.
The Vikings came into contact with Christianity through their raids, and when they settled in lands with a Christian population, they adopted Christianity quite quickly. This was true in Normandy, Ireland, and throughout the British Isles. Although contemporary accounts say little about this, we can see it in the archaeological evidence. Pagans buried their dead with grave goods, but Christians normally didn't, and this makes it relatively easy to spot the change in religion.

As well as conversion abroad, the Viking Age also saw a gradual conversion in Scandinavia itself, as Anglo-Saxon and German missionaries arrived to convert the pagans. By the mid-11th century, Christianity was well established in Denmark and most of Norway. Although there was a temporary conversion in Sweden in the early 11th century, it wasn't until the mid-12th century that Christianity became established there. As part of the process of conversion the Christians took over traditional pagan sites. A good example of this can be seen at Gamle Uppsala in Sweden, where the remains of an early

www.bbc.co.uk...

according to a previous post were it indicated Vickings went christian, then invaded the surounding countries:
and this reference: the vikings seem to have had other motives for their aggression other then religion



further from from the BBC link:

We know rather more about the stories associated with the pagan gods. Besides occasional references in early poems, these stories survived after conversion because it was possible to regard them simply as myths, rather than as the expression of religious beliefs. The main sources of evidence are the Eddas, wonderful literary works which represent the old pagan beliefs as folk tales. Even here there is some Christian influence. For example, the chief god Odin was sacrificed to himself by being hanged on a tree and pierced in the side with a spear, and this was followed by a sort of resurrection a few days later - a clear parallel with Christ's crucifixion

more of the borg like assimilation
while the above says the odin pantheon worshippers were rather more tolerant of other religions......
not so INSECURE I guess

Click here for more information.

Originally posted by Danbones

Originally posted by MrSinister
reply to post by Danbones

 

I never meant to derail the thread even further, certainly not to throw class struggle into the mix

I tend to digress and this was a failed attempt at an in-joke on norwegian media. I apologize.

I for one, prefer alternative news-outlets, ATS being a prime example.

Anyways.. In regards to the OP I find it sad that any dominating religion, exerts itself by usurping/crushing/removing the former ones. In this particular case the original builders apparantly hid their "VE" from Christians, or equally plausible, from Thor worshippers. Regardless, they hid it from religious persecution, which is a travesty no matter who the culprit. I remember the Taliban blew up some magnificent Buddha-statues in Afghanistan, sadly its the same old story.

What really strikes me as ironic with this particular story, is how history seems to repeat itself. This find is being hailed as unique and one a kind in Norway, yet it is now the site of a building project. Once again this religious site is intentionally "hid" or demolished. This time with concrete from a society that deems itself religiously tolerant (yet blissfully ignorant of its own cultural heritage)

Rant ends

Those are very good points
It seems religion gets to be a tool of control ...instead of as a vehicle for personal enlightenment

The "hide from Thor worships" sounds interesting
Were they known for that sort of religion bashing ( I wouldn't be suprised if they were known for bashing
...the hammer and all)
I'd love to see some references to that on the thread - that would provide for good balance...

no problem with the Joe King
it won't be the first one I miss...and I wanted to show the non clickers what one can do with a one click translator...

Sorry for answering the call late. Been absent.

Sadly I cannot back up such a preposterous claim with any links, come to think of it I shouldn`t have throw it out there in the first place. A friend of mine originally made the point. We were discussing this find and religious bashing in general when he mentioned the fact that the worship of Odin, Thor and other gods also were related to social staus/caste. For instance that followers of Odin were mainly of the ruling class whereas followers of Thor from the warrior class and so forth.

I think, not being an expert clearly, that the question of which particular god to worship, where dictated by necessity and your reigning chieftains political desire at the particular time.

reply to post by Danbones


If the people of the land became Christian, naturally the places of worship would be made into Christian places of worship. It's not like the Muslims who invaded Israel and built that blasphemous gold mosque. It's not like the vikings that traveled through Europe and to Ireland murdering and raping the locals.