reply to post by thesearchfortruth
I think you really hit it on the head. In that ancient peoples could have and for my money did utterly amazing things and that knowledge was lost
seems just given world wide evidence. The Puma Punku site is amazing for no other reason its so high up above sea level ! I can't recall exactly but
I " think" I heard it was something like 16,000 feet altitude above sea level? Anyone who has other facts as to how high the place is, I will stand
At that altitude your way above the tree line and that makes for the little problem of not having access to wood as a basic resource. Yeah, they could
have "imported" it from lower altitudes but gosh, we think it costs bocu bucks just to get a rocket payload into orbit? Well it does but this would
represent a similar cost/value ratio for each chuck of wood, and on the surface doesn't look very practical.
That leads me to think that if they did or did not import wood, or much else, they had political, social, theological (often wrapped up in one messy
bundle) and yes even scientific motivations that were so important to a society that money or its equivalent was no object. Not the primary concern
anyway. Our more current societies prove this in spades.
Perhaps in the future a paleological-historical sociologist will be so puzzled as to why we spent the $$ we did on weapons, that they would have known
by having access to our conversations of this era WE KNEW and were well aware so many of them, like nukes we could never rationally use. If our
voices, literature and colloquial point-of-view survives. If. Remember, all the long dead civilizations all had the same myopic illusion. They thought
they were immortal, as do we. If we learn nothing from the lost cultures of antiquity, its s*** happens.
Its just a feeling but I think in the future the concepts of nuclear deterrents when removed from the socio-political moments they were born into and
survived will be as puzzling to them as so many ancient customs strike us as unfathomable, insane, or just disgusting. How about the Moab heads of
Easter Island? They appear to have made them to the exclusion of everything else. They appeared to starve, eating each other is often a clue when not
also a ritual, that they couldn't call for take out. In time, to late the futility hit them and they damaged and left several unfinished. Curious.
And we in this epoch are also very likely to be viewed with as much puzzlement. I am certain of that.
Cannibalism has often been as vulgar to others as to us. Hence its often wrapped-up in some so called sacred rite. Maybe makes you feel less guilty,
or takes the execution of the act off your shoulders, and you now can feel "less responsible" if its a religiously connected act (excuse) for eating
While I don't dismiss or discount the possible ancient astronaut theories, I am much more confident we had many now long vanished cultures right here
that have had their treasures lost to us. But I also feel we easily underestimate what we could have done as a species long ago. To illustrate, when
the great Christian (all Catholic back then) cathedrals were built from roughly 1100ad on, we know how, at least we have detail accounting records who
paid who for what, etc. Though many of the early guilds were involved they began more as a father-to-son or extended family apprentice
That was the "conspiracy" called co-operative behavior. And to keep certain skills, etc in the family and later an association of like minded
people defined by skills and monetary interests, well that was logical because what THEY could do was worth a lot of money, which begets power, so the
"secrets" were what we today call a job skill set. Not so diabolical when seen in that light and was guarded as trade secrets are today. Its all
about the money, always was and is.
My point is they lifted and carved massive stones, did amazing work with simple and ingenious tools. We have the records of this. The church was if
nothing anal record book keepers. The fact such detail records on the pyramids or most ancient sites are lost does not mean they must have been some
alien school science project. Perhaps, but more likely us.
If some group would have prevented the anti-technologicalists and anti-philososophers, from just stopping one act of cultural murder that allowed to
go up in smoke the greatest library of the ancient Earth, in Alexandria, I have no way to verbalize such a loss to all who came later. One of my
definitions of "barbarian" is one who fears and instills hate in others about things they don't understand, and don't want to.
The late Carl Sagan said we will never know if the ancient world, the west in particular did not descend into being cringing frightened infants for
800 or so years, by now we could very likely have starships and much more.