If the ancient artefacts of flying aircraft are stylized birds, please show me a bird with a rudder (vertical stabilizer) in present time.

Originally posted by waagon
If the ancient artefacts of flying aircraft are stylized birds, please show me a bird with a rudder (vertical stabilizer) in present time.

And this Boat Tailed Grackle holds its tailfeathers in the vertical when at rest. Saw lots of them in Cuba.


...just since you ask.

Proponents of mainstream accept some bits of history and literature (e.g. the Babylonian Captivity or Alexander's feats etc.) but ignore other parts, like deities teaching man agriculture, architecture, civilization etc. (a global phenomena I might add).

Nitpicking history is all comes down to and anything too "unbelievable" to mainstream historians they simply ascribe to "mythology" or man's fantasy. They imply our ancient's were too ignorant to recognize supernatural humanoid "gods" from rocks, trees...or figments of their imagination. Imo that's doing the ancients a greater injustice to their intellect than saying they had alien gods help in jump-starting civilization...which is what they stated happened (and considering we had little progress for nearly 150k years prior, I think we needed it). The remarkable consistencies across cultures cannot be ignored, as Joseph Campbell addressed decades ago.

As far as the Ancient Aliens TV series goes...I came to the conclusion of advanced people interacting with man far before the advent of the series (while originally maintaining a mainstream stance and never even heard of "ancient aliens", this was in the 80s), so I haven't watched all the episodes due to the redundancy of having something regurgitated to me which I already figured out. I saw a few last month and they seemed to reaaaally stretch for their material sometimes. It's all about ratings and money in the end (applicable to mainstream shows too). The other day I watched "WWII in color" on the History Channel and they neglected to mention that the Soviets, under Stalin, murdered millions of their own people. They did so because they wanted to paint the Allies as being the more benevolent force in the war = lying by omission on a mainstream historical documentary. I'm sure the Ancient Aliens TV series does this too.

Something quite drastic must of happened to us to have so many ancient sites abandoned and or destroyed to the point we forgot who, why, when and how they were built. The gap of knowledge became so great we think in the last couple of decades that the ancient sites must of been built by aliens because man is only 6000 years old.. oops, i mean millions of years old and before the last 2000 years we were living in caves grunting at one another.

Sigh.

Originally posted by bottleslingguy
The original structure was a landing pad before the Deluge and survived the flood.

Landing pad for what?

They say log rollers where used but at 13,000 feet above sea level trees don't grow and continue to not grow up in that whole region.

Double face palm. Why is this argument still used? You think it would be a big problem to walk down to lower areas, cut trees, and transport them back up the mountain?