Mississippi GOP Passes Anti-Abortion Bill With Heartbeat, Transvaginal Ultrasounds, Personhood, And

Originally posted by dawnstar
reply to post by Under Water

 

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what about keeping your eyesight...do you see it selfish for a women to abort a baby for keep from losing her sight....
or the ability to walk...
or her life!!!!

or just her freedom to take the drugs she needs to just live independently??
just how much does she have to be willing to give up, to be seen as not selfish in your eyes?

by the way, most church's hand over the decision as to weather or not there should be sex in a marriage over to the husband, with one simple command...wives, obey your husbands in all things!!!
so, well, kind of dumb to have a bunch of believers now telling those women that hey, don't have sex!!!
kind of conflicting here, isn't it???

first, I'm not religious so don't spout that crap on me.
Second, the law isn't for abortions in the cases that the mom may die, that's a different situation that needs to be looked at diffidently.

The issue is the law wants to grant any woman the right to kill her unborn for any reason whatsoever. That is unacceptable. It is irresponsible. And it shows an utter disrespect for human life. No one forced pregnancy on you, you did it to yourself. Now that child has to pay for YOUR mistake with it's life???

Keep right on fooling yourselves. Eventually, people like you will dwindle in numbers because your all killing yourselves by killing your young. One way or another, the future of the human race will look back in shame at our time.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
Does anyone really think that those that keep promoting war are really anti-abortionists?

It's just as dichotomous as those who endorse killing unborn babies are anti-war.

Look, states are going to do what they wnt. That pesky 10th Ammendment.

It's not a war on women either. Unless women are anti-baby.

Don't like it?

Don't move to that state.

Easy.

Originally posted by Pixiefyre
This really upsets me because these people are so focused on controlling others, they dont think about anything but the unborn life...

AND it just tears me apart thinking about what my daughter has gone through, and how much I LOVE HER SO MUCH, and they would wish her dead basically to try to save an unborn nonviable life.

Ya I'm sorry, I hope she recovers from her awful experience.

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poland has some of the strictest laws regarding abortion in europe..
the polish lady didn't die, she just gets to raise one more kid than she had before, blind!
her doctor knew there was a pretty good chance that this would happen...
the courts denied her the abortion...guess they felt that the risk to her wasn't as important as the life of the fetus...
what do you think?

the GOP are forcing women to be raped...sound too dramatic to you??? good thing these republican men don't have to worry about the government legally shoving anything up into their bodies, it seems they already have done that to themselves by inserting head into anal cavity.

i guess the republcians really, really, want Obama and the democrats to win in 2012. what's next, forced chastity tests before a marriage licence is given out? women can no longer show their legs in public?. all women must be home by 9 p.m. seperate beaches for men and women?

how about all men that order viagra, will have to SHOW a doctor and have pictures of their erectile dysfunction.

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
Does anyone really think that those that keep promoting war are really anti-abortionists?

It's just as dichotomous as those who endorse killing unborn babies are anti-war.

Look, states are going to do what they wnt. That pesky 10th Ammendment.

It's not a war on women either. Unless women are anti-baby.

Don't like it?

Don't move to that state.

Easy.

It's funny how you are for big government when it serves your purpose, that is the
most disagreeable thing about conservatism, it is completely fake. But it is a nice way
to always have an iron hammer "BIG GOVERNMENTS!", in that you get to police everything.

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Thank you mastahunta

Originally posted by Under Water


Second, the law isn't for abortions in the cases that the mom may die, that's a different situation that needs to be looked at diffidently.

You are wrong, the law would have forced my daughter into proceeding with the pregnancy.

Women who need emergency abortions would be exempted and women who can prove they were raped would also be exempted.

It was the nephew of the police officer that raped my daughter and when she finally told me evn though it was within the statute of limitations they refused to even investigate itl. And since it took her three year to be able to tell anyone...she woulds have been beyond the time limit allowed, and not be able to PHYSICALLY PROVE she had been raped so would forced to endure this

YOU DON'T GET IT.

I couldn't protect my daughter, the law wouldn't protect my daughter and have since tried to educate people and help other girls that have gone through this ..so maybe she we didn't go through all that for nothing.

I see where this can cause grievous harm..... I can barely type right now because it still hurts thinking about what my baby went through..so I try to let people know how much harm not considering situations like this can cause...

AND people don't even consider it.?? Some like you just get angry and say this type of thing is not the case???

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Mississippi Republicans are once again waging war against women. The anti-abortion forces in Mississippi won passage of a bill in the state House on Wednesday that would effectively ban abortions after the detection of a fetal heartbeat, which is after approximately six weeks of pregnancy, and defines life as beginning at conception, which would ban many forms of contraception. The bill may also require doctors to use transvaginal ultrasounds. It’s basically a four-in-one abortion bill.

But too many immoral wars and all the spying big brother nonsense, sanctions against foreign sovereign nations, the corruption of the drug war, bankers controlling the economy, goldman sacchs, and so on and so forth.
Now with all of these things going on in and from the U.S. you have the fact that no nation on this planet is more divided on social issues then the United States.

Do you think that this is mere coincidence or by design?

So while this thread could turn into nothing more than partisan bickering we can instead look at it with a completely different set of eyes.

What do you think?

I think...

Anyone for anti-abortion legislation is SATANIC , helping to wage a...
War On Women, WOW.

I'm a Christian & a Libertarian and NO WAY do I think the abortion and constant wars and all these crapy things are "of God". As far as "personhood" or "citizen ship", birth certificates, and legal protection, ...

BIRTH = THE Defining Moment

I saw a friend "self abort" at 7 months because of a denied abortion at 4 months. It took 3 more months of hitting herself to succeed and nearly cost her her life doing so. The more it grew the more certain she was. She lived through it and continued mothering her 2 other sons. She was a good mom to them. Last I saw them was over 10 years ago - but it was an eye opener.

Another point is my own wife and I may want a child. If she becomes pregnant there are health risks and NO WAY do I trust the medical establishment to give her permission to abort a fetus. I'd help with the coat hanger if it came to that. And that's exactly what happens with abortion laws - they drive the abortions into less safe situations.

People passing laws like these aren't "Christian", they're "Satanic" - trying to legislate control of women via their body parts. Satanic in at least in what they're advocating (fooled into? or for power?). And no it's not Godly to kill the killers - but naming them what they are is appropriate. So again, for emphasis,

Anyone for anti-abortion legislation is SATANIC , helping to wage a...
War On Women, WOW.

Originally posted by reitze

People passing laws like these aren't "Christian", they're "Satanic" - trying to legislate control of women via their body parts. Satanic in at least in what they're advocating (fooled into? or for power?). And no it's not Godly to kill the killers - but naming them what they are is appropriate. So again, for emphasis,

Anyone for anti-abortion legislation is SATANIC , helping to wage a...
War On Women, WOW.

Thank you reitze, I try to get people to see the bigger picture instead of just focusing on unborn child. I try to be nice a about it, i rips my heart out each time I explain what she went through....and is still going through. I do know my daughter was so damaged by what happened to her that she would not have survived it....People have no idea how many nights I was afraid to go to sleep..because I was afraid she would wake up....sink and I would lose her and wake up to the unthinkable.

I would never have an abortion myself, And If I am lying let God strike me down right here right now....things like thsi do happen and they are so incredibly painful..


BTW....I'm not dead...he didn't strike me down.

I get really annoyed when people overthink things and try to make them something they are not. There is no "war on women." That's just a phrase liberals came up with so they could demonize conservatives. This is just about abortion. It's not about men controlling women - have any of you noticed a large percentage of our governing bodies are made up of women? This is just about one thing and that is, making sure people wanting abortions are sure. Stop getting sucked up into the name calling and finger pointing and vilifying and just look at what this is. It's a law, passed for the purpose of having pregnant persons stop and think and make sure that they are sure they want to go through with an abortion. We have waiting periods for a number of things, why not abortion? I disagree about the ultrasound - there are noninvasive ways to do ultrasound and those should be utilized if possible. Is there a reason they can't use noninvasive ultrasound? I don't know, but it might be smart to find out before we accuse the lawmakers of being something they are not.

Having been in politics, I am so tired of sound bytes and out of context quotes and preying upon emotions. Abortion is, unfortunately, legal. A lot of legal things have conditions attached. And, legislatures can pass laws but governors can veto them. If this is a terrible law, the governor can veto it. If he doesn't, it becomes law. That's how it works.

The percentage of people who have abortions because of potential damage to the mother, or in the cases of incest or rape is vanishingly small. The vast majority are women who find themselves inconvenienced, embarrassed, financially or emotionally insecure, or have some other personal reason to seek an abortion. Dwelling on the very rare exception wastes time and derails the intelligent discussion.

I have four children who "should" have been aborted according to society's standards. They are the delight of my life. When I look at them and realize they could have been killed in utero, except for courageous birthmothers, I am overcome with gratitude. Those conceived in horrific circumstances were carried to term and truly loved by their birthmothers. Calling those women heroes does not do justice.

Just because you're going to have a baby doesn't mean you have to raise it - there are selfless options available. The term "giving life" takes on a whole new meaning for those women who carry a child even under horrendous circumstances. Don't talk to me about rape or incest exceptions - some courageous women choose to go through the entire pregnancy even in those circumstances and they are not scarred for life and neither are their children. I know that from up close and personal.

I have been faced with the choice of carrying a child to term or losing my life. I know what that means. And strangely, it's not a hard decision. Yes, I would give up my eyesight. Or my hearing. Or my ability to walk. Those things are overrated in comparison to giving life to a child.

If a 15 year old is raped, that's tragic. But there is help for a person in that circumstance. Obviously you've been through anguish and I am sorry for that. But there is help. In your case, though, it's off topic as your daughter did not have to make the abortion choice. I hope she is able to get the help she needs because she can live a productive life and has unique insight into the plight of others due to her suffering.

I have three kids, all grown now..

the eldest one was 2 1/2 when I had the third. my hubby was driving truck at the time, so he wasn't home much...
I seriously had trouble walking carrying my third child... in today's transient world where families are moving to whereever they can find work and leaving the extended family behind. well, tell ya something here....
my two kids would have been royally screwed if had not been able to get up, walk, and take care of their needs!!!

that little polish blind lady, not only did she get screwed out of her eyesight, but the kids were screwed out of having mom read them bedtime stories at night also!!
get my drift???

it's not just about the baby...
it's not just about the baby and the mom...
it's about the baby, the mom, and everyone who that mom is responsible to!!!

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I appreciate your sympathy. My daughter has been receiving help since before I even knew what had happened to her because she first got physically ill, then started having panic attacks, at which point I got her help, and she is still receiving help sand support.

Her doctors have determined that the PSTD she still suffers from this is at around the same level as an Iraqi war veteran, his words not mine. The medication she must take just to keep her at a level that she can walk out of the house without her father or myself is such that he absolutely does not want her to get pregnant because it would result in horrible deformities (she must take birth control as she is of child bearing age) and if she did he would insist she terminate.

Oh, most definitly by design, why else would the author call it a "war on women". The goal is to incite a group into believing that they have been disenfranchised, and that rights should be defined by gender or race- equality is not the issue. If people can be mislead to believe that people have certain rights that should be unique to that person, or that group, then a case can be made to assault the framework and destroy those very values that they claim to be protecting. There seems to be an assumption that the goverment is colluding to thwart attention from some master plan- DO NOT BE MISTAKEN, this is about good versus evil, and even the good sometimes ends up with strange bedfellows or even the fleas. One group wants to extend equal protections and equality to all, while the other suggests that some may be more equal than others. To spot the enemy, you must first pull the wool from your eyes.

Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
reply to post by ModernAcademia

 

I think you are over thinking this. To me, all this is is a way to make women understand what they are doing. It's real easy to get an abortion when you don't have to see what it is you are actually doing. If a woman is made to see the human growing inside her, and see the heartbeat, and all of that, then she will have the true perspective of the situation. I mean, if it is just a group of cells then what's the problem with looking at said cells before the procedure? I think that pro-choice proponents know that they are killing life... they always have known that, which is why they don't want to actually see it before they kill it. Out of sight, out of mind. Good for you Mississippi.

Im sorry, did you really just imply that most women dont know what they are doing when they get an abortion? And that shock tactics are the way to teach them?

Yikes....

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considering the cost of a transvaginal ultrasound, they are probably hoping it will be too costly for the women!!!

add an extra $400 or so dollars!!
or well, wait nine months and be prepared to shell out anywhere from $9,000 to $25,000 or more....prices don't account for any health insurance that may be used.....

reply to post by dawnstar


The kids who get screwed out of having their mother read them bedtime stories???

Really? I'll tell that to my blind friend who raised four kids while finishing a masters degree.

People with disabilities are not stupid, and they have amazing technology available to them these days. My blind friend is facebooking as we speak.

You should meet my cousing who lived 37 years as a quadriplegic. He raised a family, held down a fulltime job, got two college degrees and wrote books.

I don't mean to be rude, but sheesh. A lot of people with disabilities are able to raise children successfully. Good grief.

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No, I did not say that. Don't twist my words to fit your agenda.

Although now that you mention it, do remember that an awful lot of "women" who seek abortions are pretty darn young, and are doing so under pressure from a boyfriend/parent/etc., and have possibly never seen or understood what an ultrasound means.

Don't give me a bunch of statistic crap to deny that. I've been a foster mom to teenage girls and I know how little most of them know and understand. They don't understand a whole lot more after they've hit 18 either.

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You might want to look for a therapist who is certified in EMDR therapy. It's controversial, but has helped many, many people.

Originally posted by cwg100
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

No, I did not say that. Don't twist my words to fit your agenda.

Although now that you mention it, do remember that an awful lot of "women" who seek abortions are pretty darn young, and are doing so under pressure from a boyfriend/parent/etc., and have possibly never seen or understood what an ultrasound means.

Don't give me a bunch of statistic crap to deny that. I've been a foster mom to teenage girls and I know how little most of them know and understand. They don't understand a whole lot more after they've hit 18 either.

And what agenda are you accusing me of having?

Do you really think foster children are a good example of the standard child?

Ive been a teacher to teenage girls. I also know quite a bit about how they think. And in my experience, a little education is a FAR better tactic than taking away the rights to govern their own body.

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Thank you I'm looking up the infor on it