Satan Is Not A Real Being

Concepts of God & Satan are just manifestations of what are in our own souls. Nothing more. Nothing less. Similar to concepts of good and evil. They are weaved indefinitely together; one cannot exist without the other.

reply to post by Starchild23


Either you do not understand how to read or you don't believe in the bible so you justify this as best you can in your mind , your conclusions are all wrong .

Originally posted by yougetwhatyoudeserve

Originally posted by CaLyps0
One word

Fail

Satan is real and he wants your soul to separate you from Jesus Christ

three words, intollerant antisemitic racist...

So in fact you are suggesting that all other religions (also the older ones) besides christianity are from the devil because they don't accept, or talk about JC as messiahs...
Nice try, think before you speak.

1. Anti-semetic? I guess that you don't realise that Jesus descended through the line of Shem and came to reunite, under one shepherd, the House of Israel and the House of Judah, who themselves were descended from Shem?
2. Intolerant? The world religions are quite different, with many conflicting and contradictory views.  To hold that all religions are equally true is simply not a rational nor logical belief.
3. Racist? I can't even begin to think why this statement was made.

The devil lies and deceives. If you don't believe that spirits exist, then fine. But there was nothing intolerant, racist or anti-semetic in that post. And as you believe there is, perhaps it's you who have succumbed to the lies that all religions are equal. And once you believe that all religions are equal then the carefully fabricated labels of "racism", "intolerance" and "anti-Semite" laid as snares can be thrown at a Christian or to ANY person who disagrees with those "in charge". It's the point that has been reached in many western nations. The very same nations that house many of the Israel of God. We expect it for it's all given to us. The devil has laid his groundwork and has blinded most, through the manipulation of beliefs, to the only path of salvation that has ever entered this world. Christ Jesus is the author of salvation, the Saviour.

reply to post by WhoKnows100


Genuine.

Few know of what passes in this time.
It shall be said once more: Let the Holy Spirit be your guide.

Allow the Comforter to reveal what is of this earth and what is not of this world.

Do not be so foolish as to be blinded to that which is in plain sight.

This domain is not what it appears to be.
Piece by piece, step by step, Windows are being widened to worlds of the ethereal.

The ascencion of Hell is in its happening.

Know thine enemy: see the signs.
Many with whom you correspond are among the non-living.

Satan Is Not A Real Being

Neither is Jesus

reply to post by icepack


There are illegal drugs that can switch a person from not driven to driven, those that stimulate dopamine receptors. I realize that dopamine does not drive a person any more than oxygen and gasoline drives a car, but it certainly plays a part on the idea of drive.

-rrr

"Satan" in Hebrew translates to "the opposer".
"Lucifer" aka "Morning star" refers both to Lucifer AND jesus.

The Vulgate (Latin) version of the Christian Bible used the word "lucifer" (with lower-case initial) twice to refer to the Morning Star: once in 2 Peter 1:19 to translate the Greek word φωσφόρος (phōsphoros), a word, from φῶς (phōs) meaning "light" and φέρω (pherō̄) meaning "to carry", that has the same meaning of Light-Bringer that the Latin word has, and once in Isaiah 14:12 to translate the Hebrew word הילל (Hêlēl).[18] In the latter passage the title of "Morning Star" is given to the tyrannous Babylonian king, who the prophet says is destined to fall. This passage was later applied to the prince of the demons, and so the name "Lucifer" came to be used outside the Bible for the devil, and was popularized in works such as Dante Alighieri's Inferno and John Milton's Paradise Lost, but for English speakers the greatest influence has been its use in the King James Version of Isa 14:12 to translate the Hebrew word הילל, which more modern English versions render as "Morning Star" or "Day Star". A similar passage in Ezekiel 28:11–19 regarding the "king of Tyre" was also applied to the devil, contributing to the traditional picture of the fallen angel. The Vulgate translation uses "lucifer" (Morning Star) twice to translate words in the Book of Job that meant something different: once to represent the word "בקר"‎[19] (which instead means "morning") in Job 11:17, and once for the word "מזרות" (usually taken to mean "the constellations") in Job 38:32. The same Latin word appears also in the Vulgate version of Psalms 110:3, where the original has "שׁחר" (dawn, the same word as in Isaiah 14:12). The Vulgate did not use the Latin word lucifer to represent the two references to the Morning Star in the Book of Revelation. In both cases the original Greek text uses a circumlocution instead of the single word "φωσφόρος", and a corresponding circumlocution is used in the Latin. Thus "stella matutina" is used for "ὁ ἀστὴρ ὁ πρωϊνός" in Revelation 2:28, which promises the Morning Star to those who persevere, and for "ὁ ἀστὴρ ὁ πρωϊνός" (or, according to some manuscripts, "ὁ ἀστὴρ ὁ ὀρθρινός") in Revelation 22:16, where Jesus calls himself "the bright morning star". The English word "Lucifer" is used in none of these places (other than Isaiah 14:12), where the Latin translation uses the Latin word "lucifer" (i.e., morning star).

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Im lazy and tired, but I've spent enough years researching to be arrogant enough to give the wiki site credence. Check it out, and dig deeper.

reply to post by Noinoi



I believe Satan was born when the Church decided not to look at Lucifer as the desirous aspect of Jesus, but a figurehead for all evil in the world.

After all, we don't like to blame ourselves, do we?

Originally posted by sam_inc

Satan Is Not A Real Being

Neither is Jesus

There are many historical documents noting the existence of Jesus. Not his acts specifically (which I am undecided on) but his simple existence.

If you do not believe these documents, then you may as well burn your books on Egyptian history. All of those records come from stone tablets and wall art.

Originally posted by Signals
If Satan doesn't exist, then does "evil"?

And if "evil" did exist....Wouldn't there be a Head or Leader of it or the most evil?

What about the atrocities of this world?

Very astute question.

Evil is a man-made concept, and only exists as long as we do.

Why does everything have to have a leader? THis is one thing I dislike about mankind in general...the constant need for a leader. The constant belief that nothing can be autonomous unless designed by man. Such arrogance.
There are certain things older than our planet or galaxy that need no leader. They are perfectly self-sufficient.

The atrocities of this world, simply stated, are perceived as atrocities by those unwilling to admit that such events have any purpose other than pain. Man wants to envision his world as a perfect place, and ignore the fact that his attempts at perfection are actually destroying the world. Hence, these things must be termed "atrocities", not "crimes".

Does this answer your questions?

Originally posted by yougetwhatyoudeserve

Originally posted by CaLyps0
One word

Fail

Satan is real and he wants your soul to separate you from Jesus Christ

three words, intollerant antisemitic racist...

So in fact you are suggesting that all other religions (also the older ones) besides christianity are from the devil because they don't accept, or talk about JC as messiahs...

Nice try, think before you speak.

I want a polite and calm discourse in this thread. No insults or hurled accusations.

Also, everyone assumes that by Jesus Christ, we mean a man. What if he represents something we all have? A simple name will save nothing, unless it's the military.

Thank you.

reply to post by truthinfact

the majority of the story of Jesus of Nazareth was written in the Gospel of Luke (gospel of luke was written about 100-200 years after Jesus supposedly lived)

No it wasn't. The four canonical Gospels were written before the second century; in other words, before AD 100. The latest Gospel is John, written between 90–95. That means that Luke was written before that.

reply to post by Starchild23


There are also Jewish historians from that time and area that should at least MENTION Jesus, but, for some reason, they don't even mention him in passing.

Like Philo-Judaeus (20 BC - 50 AD) who was in/near Jerusalem during the time of Jesus.. and of course , Pliny the Elder - I would say the far majority of historical accounts from that time and area make no mention of Jesus, then do.

reply to post by Starchild23


Yes, but the answers are opinions just as mine.

You know, if Satan did exist, this is exactly the thread he would subscribe to, he wants us to believe he isn't real.

It's impossible to prove either way.

Ever seen The Ninth Gate? Interesting movie.

"I know nothing of God...or the Devil. I have never seen a vision, nor learned a secret that would damn or save my soul."

The Vampire Armand
Interview with the Vampire

reply to post by Sinny


Your negativity proves everything: dn:

reply to post by Starchild23


It's easier to personify an enemy than to go into mass amounts of detail of an opposing element, it would seem.

The biggest problem with this whole thing, is interpretation.
It's not black and white enough.
Hence the problem with this thread, and the reason there are Catholics, and Baptists and (etc etc...)

reply to post by Starchild23


I dont think you have read the Bible. The Bible clearly states Lucifer was an Angel of God , an Angel of Light that was cast from heaven. Though he still can go to heaven to accuse believers of their sins and beg God to permit him to "test" his subjects. He does not "reside" in heaven any longer.

The Great Tribulation begins when Satan realizes he no longer has access to God and he is trapped on Earth , he realises his time is short.

I dont see how you can refer to the Bible in any way and say Satan isnt a being.

Perhaps its the fact you do not know the Bible and accept a different God other than Yahweh , Elohim.

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The Battle is with Principalities (demons - including Satan). Not the Flesh. Adam and Eve had the flesh the sin was always openly available to them , however , it took the temptation of a entity to show them sin.

Sin is not natural of men , even though we have the ability to sin , you dont have too. The temptations come from principalities to act on that sin.

However , through the Sin of Eve and then Adam , man was born into sin. Only through their actions did sin contaminate the world.

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Jesus was tempted for 40 days because Satan was an idiot. Jesus had all the ability to sin we have , but his faith in his farther was very strong. He denied all sin , and lived a perfectly sin free life even with temptations. So if you are tempted by principalities you are still held accountable because Jesus a Man though Half God was still susceptible to temptations , but he resisted them.

We are made in the Image of God. If God resisted the temptations on Earth then we can too. We have no excuse from damnation for you are made in the image of God. Our faith is weak his was strong. Only through belief and faith in Jesus Christ will get you to heaven. Anything else , will not in the christian belief.

You should start your own religion - you seem to know a lot about it. I hear Kool-Aid is on special at the moment...

Originally posted by BrokenCircles
reply to post by Starchild23

 

In other words: [color=42F2FF]Lucifer is your scapegoat.

What you could do, is man up and take responsibility for your own actions.

God is not interventionist, we are ment to sort our own # out. and we are given the option of faith. as for satan and evil of course its real. when youve stood infront of it and met some one who as commited heinous crimes you feel something different resonate from them