“National Def. Preparedness” Exec. Order OKs Conscripts, Nationalization of Private Industry

reply to post by Blackmarketeer

1988 amendment:
. All national security emergency preparedness activities shall be consistent with the Constitution and laws of the United States and with preservation of the constitutional government of the United States.
www.archives.gov...

This is what was in the 1988 amendment...at the end of the entire bill it states the previous bills are null.

How does that compare to this new one by Obama? Does the new one override all previous and was the constitutional protection part left in?

That is how we determine the seriousness of the new bill.

Sec. 803. Authority. (a) Executive Order 12919 of June 3, 1994, and sections 401(3) (4) of Executive Order 12656 of November 18, 1988, are revoked. All other previously issued orders, regulations, rulings, certificates, directives, and other actions relating to any function affected by this order shall remain in effect except as they are inconsistent with this order or are subsequently amended or revoked under proper authority. Nothing in this order shall affect the validity or force of anything done under previous delegations or other assignment of authority under the Act.

usamericanfreedom.com...

parts of 1994 and 1988 EO are revoked per Obama's EO.

This is going to take alot of research...

It looks like the section containing constitutional rights is still in effect unless it was removed between 1988 and now.

reply to post by timetothink


I think there have been clauses, laws that may have allowed any president the abuse of authority.

The difference we see now, is that Obama may be willing to use these abuses.

reply to post by timetothink


I have been following ATS for sometime now and there have been many topics I researched on my own. This one however caught my attention more than most and i researched it quickly, signed up for ATS and now must reply.

I have read Reagan's Bill and Obama's executive orders completely. Obama's bill cancels Reagan's and does not make another mention of the constitution with the exception of his "power" to make this order.

This has single handedly removed the constitution in a "peacetime" and "national security emergency".

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
reply to post by jdub297

 

Of course it REVOKES those previous orders!

You can't have previous orders conflicting with NEW orders. The languages in this new order is virtually identical with the order issued in 1994 and 1988.

Again here is the 1994 E.O.
Executive Orders And Laws relating to National Emergencies Laws
EXECUTIVE ORDER 12919
NATIONAL DEFENSE INDUSTRIAL RESOURCES PREPAREDNESS

READ THOUGH it and tell me, how is the one Obama signed AT ALL different from the one signed back in 1994?

All you are doing is using this as another sad attempt to smear Obama for upholding his office. If this executive order was so offensive to you, why didn't you demonize Bush for signing the same thing back in 1988 or Clinton for it in 1994? Did you even KNOW they had signed these orders, and that this 2012 version was a virtual copy of those previous orders?

I think people are more pissed off at Obama because he ran on CHANGE.
And the great awakening in the US that is occurring is realizing the only thing that changed
was the color of the president's skin. But thats about it, everything is the same going to worse.
And so for many people they are starting to discover how deep the rabbit hole is.

TextSec. 904. Effect on other Orders. (a) The following are superseded or revoked: (1) Section 3, Executive Order No. 8248 of September 8, 1939, (4 FR 3864). (2) Executive Order No. 10222 of March 8, 1951 (16 FR 2247). (3) Executive Order No. 10480 of August 14, 1953 (18 FR 4939). (4) Executive Order No. 10647 of November 28, 1955 (20 FR 8769). (5) Executive Order No. 11179 of September 22, 1964 (29 FR 13239). (6) Executive Order No. 11355 of May 26, 1967 (32 FR 7803). (7) Sections 7 and 8, Executive Order No. 11912 of April 13, 1976 (41 FR 15825, 15826-27). (8) Section 3, Executive Order No. 12148 of July 20, 1979 (44 FR 43239, 43241). (9) Executive Order No. 12521 of June 24, 1985 (50 FR 26335). (10) Executive Order No. 12649 of August 11, 1988 (53 FR 30639). (11) Executive Order No. 12773 of September 26, 1991 (56 FR 49387), except that part of the order that amends section 604 of Executive Order 10480.

www.disastercenter.com... 1994 EO Wm Clinton

I think we can actually trace the beginning of the trouble to Clinton, his EO revoked all previous including Reagan's with the constituional provisions...Obama did indeed make it even worse.


I am going to continue researching this...I am going to read all EO pertaining to this from 1994 onward.

we all know whats gonna happen..... a war with iran. the americans are pushing for it, id even say antagonizing them...... thats what they are getting ready for

We the "american's" do NOT want a war..... We have 0 control over anything anymore.

I get the feeling that Alex Jones is going to have a field day with this. Can't blame him as the whole thing seems really dodgy.

So in short, if ever a big natural disaster would happen, the governement would be allowed to steal your land and kill you if them deem you're a terrorist and that your resources are worth it.
Guess who will use those nice resources, the wealthy psychopaths of course!

The cowboy and witch hunting ended long ago, guess we will have to take some time and hunt the elites that didn't help us survive if SHTF. It's not like humanity can afford to keep them in our genetic codes.

So long blue blood, I hope you all burn in hell.

The economy can be turned around if the government were to start making the right financial decisions asap. It is 100% possible.

and/or

Throw all the criminal bankers/central bankers in jail, and confiscate their money from them.

Positives:

1) Bad guys go to jail for financial terrorism.
2) Economy is saved.
3) Everyone is happy.

Then military can just focus on protecting their assets. To me the answer is simple.

reply to post by timetothink


You'll find that it does give the president unprecedented power. The specific word changes in for instance Obama 102 and Clinton 102 the difference is 1 word.

The word "threat" is replaced by the word "need".

This alone changes the entire purpose of the EO from being a National Defense EO to an all inclusive, obstruction busting, potential nationalization of all industries, and changes the US to a Neo Socialist nation. So yes it does make for the worst case scenario for a conservative, Republican, or libertarian, independents and Liberals will see it as something completely different. I know because I am one of them.

I see it as the Check Mate of the Conservative / Right / Republican / Libertarian agenda. Game over. No more congressional obstructionism. Since everything can be tied to a National Defense "need" it gives the admin a free hand to act to improve the economy, and right a lot of wrongs without Republican obstructionism.

So in the end I trust Obama with these powers and if you can elect a Republican, or Libertarian, he can sign them away on day one. All I can say is this is what the Republicans and the Tea Party brought upon themselves by their actions, and lack thereof.

Obama 2012

reply to post by ScarletWitch


WHO is calling for his resignation other than most of ATS members who have an IQ larger than our egos? TOO many sheeple asleep at the wheel and MSM doesn't mention a word of this as of late so how are they to know because it hasn't blasted on the boob tube or hasn't flashed across their Raybans.

As the repubs continue to try and win us over while Paul may go broke.....HE MAY BE RE-Elected if the US economy continues to falter and rumors of Israel striking Iran and igniting WW3. I could go on but I feel I would be preaching to the choir.

Without the mention of the constitution and the desire to "TAKE" for foreign nations this EO smells like NWO and a one world currency!

Surely this is next up for hot topic? Will be interesting to see what the rest of the site think about it, because there's probably a lot that only visit certain forums and don't see things in here. Only way I found it was because another thread got made then closed in the breaking news section, linking to this one.

It looks like it's at the point where the President can do basically anything, with one alarming thing being that previous executive orders aren't far off this one and it's been going on to a similar extent for a long time.

"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"

This is just another step in the continued effort to subjugate the sheeple of the US to a dictatorship. Obama did not start this. It started well over a century ago with the progressive movement and aided by our comfortable lives. We have become apathetic and complacent. We deserve what ever politcal system we allow to be forced upon us.

reply to post by Hugues de Payens


stars all day
every single one of us is responsible
it is our duty as human beings to regulate ourselves and by extension any system (and therefor those that govern it....which should be you i and our neighbors) we are a part of
i am guilty
you are guilty
we sure as hell all know people who are guilty
but nothing will change without effort
and that will always be the case... there are always greater heights

embrace that or be erased (maybe not today or tomorrow but be assured of the inevitability)

reply to post by beezzer


There is a term used called take out the trash day. The theory behind it is anything an administration wants to bury / sneak under the radar gets chucked to the media on a Friday and usually includes a bunch of different stories. Most people dont pay attention to the news over the weekend, and media outlets, when reporting on these items, only have x number of column inches for each story.


The more "trash" that is thrown out on Friday, the less the media can report on it because of the other stories.

The West Wing covered this topic in a few different episodes.

This does sound like legislature that is designed to enforce involuntary central planning. I think if this was enacted, America would probably experience a scenario like that of Stalinist Russia.

It is concerning.

Originally posted by ziggystrange
reply to post by timetothink

 

You'll find that it does give the president unprecedented power. The specific word changes in for instance Obama 102 and Clinton 102 the difference is 1 word.

The word "threat" is replaced by the word "need".

This alone changes the entire purpose of the EO from being a National Defense EO to an all inclusive, obstruction busting, potential nationalization of all industries, and changes the US to a Neo Socialist nation. So yes it does make for the worst case scenario for a conservative, Republican, or libertarian, independents and Liberals will see it as something completely different. I know because I am one of them.

I see it as the Check Mate of the Conservative / Right / Republican / Libertarian agenda. Game over. No more congressional obstructionism. Since everything can be tied to a National Defense "need" it gives the admin a free hand to act to improve the economy, and right a lot of wrongs without Republican obstructionism.

So in the end I trust Obama with these powers and if you can elect a Republican, or Libertarian, he can sign them away on day one. All I can say is this is what the Republicans and the Tea Party brought upon themselves by their actions, and lack thereof.

Obama 2012

edit on 18-3-2012 by ziggystrange because: typo

I wonder if you'd be saying the same thing if a republican were in the White House?

Methinks, not.

To add as a caveat, for anyone wo favours this draconian change, just remember that in November, we may get a republican in the White House with these same powers and authority.

I don't see how ANYONE would find favour in this.