We need a one world government, whether you like it or not.

Gentlemen,
I believe Charlie Chaplin stated it best, regarding human nature and the progress of mankind. Ironically his first ever speaking role.

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You're outta your damn tree.

Are you crazy?


Local government is best.

Local government is the most responsive to the needs of the citizens.

State and Federal government are too far away to know what is best for the average human in any given community.

And you dare state that world governance, is the remedy for all our ills?

Corruption in government is inevitable as long as people are elected to govern. But far removed from the people,
the corruption of global governance would be impossible to restrict.

Wake up, the person best to lead your life is YOU. We don't need people, thousands of miles away, telling us how to live our lifes.

IS THIS BIZARRO WORLD?

Originally posted by Anon009
Gentlemen,
I believe Charlie Chaplin stated it best, regarding human nature and the progress of mankind. Ironically his first ever speaking role.

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edit on 17-3-2012 by Anon009 because: (no reason given)

I knew it! I knew Hitler was a big ol' softy. That's why he lost the war.

op, for at least the last one hundred years, many brilliant minds have pondered what you have proposed in your opening post. i would dare say many more that go even further back. many of these thinkers have put pen to paper, and written many pieces of fiction. just to mention a few, huxley,rand, orwell,
and last and definitely my favorite peart.

and they all end bad.

and now for everyone's enjoyment i leave you with this from the wiki, and a youtube video.
enjoy! ('

')

2112
Main article: 2112 (song)
In the year 2062, a galaxy-wide war results in the union of all planets under the rule of the Red Star of the Solar Federation. By 2112, the world is controlled by the "Priests of the Temples of Syrinx," who determine the content of all reading matter, songs, pictures - every facet of life. A man discovers an ancient guitar and learns to play his own music. Thinking he has made a wonderful discovery that will be a boon to humanity, he goes to present the guitar to the priests of the Temples, who angrily destroy it and rebuke him for unearthing one of the "silly whims" that caused the collapse of the previous civilization. He goes into hiding and dreams of a world before the Solar Federation. Upon awakening he becomes distraught and commits suicide. As he dies, another planetary battle begins resulting in the ambiguous ending "Attention all planets of the Solar Federation: We have assumed control." (This spoken section was created by Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson reportedly "messing around with a tape recorder.") On the album, Neil Peart credits "the genus of Ayn Rand." Rand, a Russian-born Jewish-American novelist and creator of the philosophy of Objectivism, wrote a novella titled Anthem (itself adopted as the title of another Rush song, from the album Fly By Night) from which Peart borrowed the broad strokes of the plot.

[IV. Presentation]

'... In the sudden silence as I finished playing, I looked up to a circle of grim,
Expressionless faces. Father Brown rose to his feet, and his somnolent voice echoed
Throughout the silent Temple Hall...'
[ Lyrics from: www.lyricsfreak.com... ]
'... Instead of the grateful joy that I expected, they were words of quiet rejection!
Instead of praise, sullen dismissal. I watched in shock and horror as Father Brown ground
My precious instrument to splinters beneath his feet...'

I know it's most unusual
To come before you so
But I've found an ancient miracle
I thought that you should know
Listen to my music
And hear what it can do
There's something here as strong as life
I know that it will reach you

Yes, we know, it's nothing new
It's just a waste of time
We have no need for ancient ways
The world is doing fine
Another toy will help destroy
The elder race of man
Forget about your silly whim
It doesn't fit the plan

I can't believe you're saying
These things just can't be true
Our world could use this beauty
Just think what we might do
Listen to my music
And hear what it can do
There's something here as strong as life
I know that it will reach you

Don't annoy us further!
We have our work to do
Just think about the average
What use have they for you?
Another toy will help destroy
The elder race of man
Forget about your silly whim
It doesn't fit the Plan!


the lyrics site i got this from has it wrong and it looks like they all do.
it should say

another toy that helped destroy the elder race of man.
not

another toy will help destroy

we have assumed control, we have assumed control, we have assumed control

edit on 17-3-2012 by hounddoghowlie because: (no reason given)

So we can recognize the third world as the money sucking welfare states that they are? No thanks, the first world can't carry the third world, and many are already sick and tired of what we've been doing there since the 90s.

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THIS

Originally posted by libertytoall
Anarchy would be the best way if all people on earth were civilized non violent people. Unfortunately that isn't the case..

Nobody said that anarchy was nonviolent, or even civilized. In order to have a world free of tyrannies, there will obviously be a need for some conflict. It's already happening in the streets these days.

Originally posted by AwakeinNM

Originally posted by FugitiveSoul
The only way a one-world government could work is if we rid ourselves of organized religion. Of course, we would have to prove to people that their religions were fallacies or we would have to kill anyone who couldn’t conform their beliefs and learn to play ball.

Yep, good idea, Hitler.

First you'd have to prove that religion is a fallacy. Good luck with that.


Oh... let me guess what your comeback is going to be:

"Prove that it isn't a fallacy."

So predictable.

I wasn't advocating anything. I was merely pointing out what would have to occur in order for the world move forward.

Just because you think in terms of black and white (I mean "Hitler"... really?), it doesn't mean the rest of the world has to, or can afford to. You cannot deny that religion, which by design, divides people, and stunts human growth, must go the way of the rest of the archaic notions that the world has let go of in the name of moving forward.

You're obviously anti-change/pro-status quo, that is clear, but you also must admit that this current system is f.u.b.a.r..
No system of government can last more than a few centuries before mankind corrupts and poisons it from within.
Democracy in our little American Republic appears to be no different. Our own Founding Fathers agreed.
It is our nature to destroy, to enslave, to plunder, and devour. We are a virus, and as such, the system requires a reboot from time to time in order to keep things moving forward, and this reboot will always be a scary violent thing, but no more scary and violent than doing nothing and continuing on our current path.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen23

Originally posted by AwakeinNM

Originally posted by EarthCitizen23

Originally posted by AwakeinNM

Originally posted by AdamsMurmur
reply to post by AwakeinNM

 

Your idea of reality is the real illusion here because it's the one they set up for you. Your kind of thinking and ideas are some examples of what's holding the human race back.

I'd love it if everyone thought like you, I really would, and I espouse the ideals that you would like to see become reality, whether you believe me or not. But there's what you WISH for, and there's what you HAVE. I suggest you deal with what we have right now.

OK,, now we are getting somewhere,,, I would like to hear how you 'espouse the ideals'.
I believe that even though here on these forums, we may misunderstand each other,, I also believe in hearing one out,, so again I request you elaborate on this because we seem to be at odds, but I strangely feel that in reality we think more alike than you might suggest.
NO GOVERNMENT is the Ideal in my mind. And I too am a staunch Individualist.
But I also believe that quote I have as my signature.
BE THE CHANGE YOU WISH TO SEE IN THE WORLD,,,
so in that mood,,, I believe our similarities are more than our differences.. Our Semantics mess us ALL up MOST of the time.

You'd be getting somewhere if you quoted the WHOLE post rather than cherry pick the parts you like.

To make you Happy Kind Sir/ or Madam,
I thought I was being nothing more than to the point. The Point being, as evidence shows with your reply. You don't wish to discuss anything, or give an alternative to what the OP suggest. Rather, you must be what is called a Troll here at ATS, only interested in Tearing down, and making snide remarks.
I was being polite and trying to connect with what I see as our similarities, but you insist on Division. Thus the world is as it is now, because of selfish Individuals as yourself.

Again, I ask,
How do you Espouse the Ideals that the OP is speaking of in this thread, you yourself said that, not me.
Why is it you avoid giving an alternative approach that can be discussed openly on this forum?
Also, I thought you were tired of this fantasy and had left the Thread, too bad you stayed because I see that you have no desire to communicate, you just wish to say something biting and witty to offend those who think differently than yourself. I respectfully requested some dialog, yet again you failed to respond intelligently.
Can you respond differently or is all you know is Attack Attack Attack?
Peace to you my friend, I see your having issues with being human, I understand your frustration.
Learning to communicate would help you immensely.
That means, speaking to someone the way you would wish to be spoken to,,
you are missing the boat because of your love of division and antics that only give you any gratification.

There is thinking differently and debating other viewpoints, then there is denouncing ridiculous ideas that are destructive, which is what I am doing. You sir or madam, live in a fantasy if you think that a one-world government would eventually become anything but a centralized, oppressive dictatorship - which would of course eventually collapse.

Originally posted by FugitiveSoul

Originally posted by AwakeinNM

Originally posted by FugitiveSoul
The only way a one-world government could work is if we rid ourselves of organized religion. Of course, we would have to prove to people that their religions were fallacies or we would have to kill anyone who couldn’t conform their beliefs and learn to play ball.

Yep, good idea, Hitler.

First you'd have to prove that religion is a fallacy. Good luck with that.


Oh... let me guess what your comeback is going to be:

"Prove that it isn't a fallacy."

So predictable.

You're obviously anti-change/pro-status quo, that is clear...

edit on 17-3-2012 by FugitiveSoul because: (no reason given)

WRONG WRONG WRONG again. Stop making assumptions about my position, you and all the others.

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It would be the 1% ruling over the 99% hows is that good in any way.there would be a ruling class and a slave class.
The streets filled with mindless zombies taking orders, doing the bidding of a few for the benefit of a few.

Sounds like a really bad SiFi movie to me.

Things are bad enough now, don't you think the same greedy power hungry monsters that are running our countries now , would be the ones who'd want to be in control.

We can't get rid of them now. do you really think that they would say "Oh sure lets give control to this new group of people who have only good intentions and just want to make everyones life happy and we all will be equal.

Thats so beyond wishful thinking, more of a fantasy I'd say.

There are to many greedy power hungry wanabe Gods in this world for that to ever happen.

Sorry just don't see it happening.

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So who the heck are you to tell me I cannot make a joke on a posting forum? Are you taking yourself that seriously? I can be very very serious, especially when discussing the evils of the NWO. Yes, I do make mistakes, and I try to be humble when called on them, usually, unless the person calling me is being a creep. I just find it amazing that so many people here buy into the Utopian ideal of the wonderful place where everyone gets equal amounts of food, clothing, shelter, and other amenities distributed to them because the people running the World govt are altruistic, spiritual beings who love humanity. Instead, the reality is that everything will get rationed based on a communistic model. Please see the old Soviet Union for why that is not a fun thing. Aside from that, I actually thought you might have considered something really productive like finding a way to utilize emissions from volcanoes. I actually remember when Mt. St. Helen's erupted people made glass ornaments out of the lava. Pumice stone is actually lava as well.

Originally posted by Factjunkie
Look at the facts. They are going to make us have a one world government if we like it or not.

You took the words out of my mouth

Originally posted by AwakeinNM

WRONG WRONG WRONG again. Stop making assumptions about my position, you and all the others.

Like you make assumption about everyone else on this thread? You bash all ideas, yet provide no insight of your own. Do you have any insight into how to "fix" our current situation, or do you just enjoy trolling?

The only position I see you've taken is "Let's take care of our own problems, and let other countries take care of their own." That's not a solution, nor isn't it even possible to entertain. Every nation on this globe is connected now, and we (America) are so deep in debt, that if every nation on Earth gave us all of their money, it still wouldn't be enough to pay it off. So what's your grand scheme to pay off this debt?
I suppose we could say "forgive all debt", but to do that would mean that several countries will have to be screwed in the process, which will undoubtedly lead to war (i.e.> mass casualties). Not much different than a global union and debt forgiveness idea, which ousts organized religion, the ultimate bane of human existence to begin with.

So again, what's your great plan to lift us out of this quandary?

Originally posted by overclockedpc
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

I don't want to give the impression that I'm some ignorant hippie that thinks one move is going to make everything ok. I just think if we as a world could let go of some of the secrecy without sacrificing security we might progress. I'm truthfully not that optimistic about a One World Nation. There would have to be a lot of compromise. I don't think we're ready for that yet. Not by a long shot.

I can appreciate what you are saying. I would love to see a wonderfully spiritual planet with healthy foods and I love meditation and yoga myself having done it since the 70's. Many have been talking about spiritual ascensions and so on. My issue is that there are terrible people about who want to control the world for personal power. People have to grow spiritually, and I agree it won't happen overnight. As far as secrecy, I wonder if you meant the secret societies running things, such as Skull and Bones and such?

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.......We need a one world government where laws would apply to every citizen of the world, and where a person living in Canada has the same rights as a mother living in the poorest country in Africa. ......

We already have a one world government - international trade laws apply everywhere there is a "free trade" agreement - but corporate persons have more rights than human persons.

Originally posted by metodex
I love how this thread is about one world government and you all focus on America.

What's wrong with south America.
What we need to do , as this will fix everything, We make the good ole USof A the consumers and the printers of Money, we start restricting the number people we allow into the USA. We just keep consuming all the products other countries make, we just print more money and give it freely to USofA citizens for free and let them consume. Everyone will want to come to USofA but they must have a lot of money or win a lottery to coming to America.

This is the answer to solve all the problems, not One world government just The USA consuming everything for free.

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Most of the naysayers have illegitimate arguments, ignore them.

I think a one-world DEMOCRACY is a wonderful idea, we can still have nation-states the same way the U.S. has states, it's just one step up.

Now a one-world dictatorship is obviously, no good.

Originally posted by FugitiveSoul
You cannot deny that religion, which by design, divides people, and stunts human growth, must go the way of the rest of the archaic notions that the world has let go of in the name of moving forward.

Religion is as individualistic as personality is. So, to abolish religion is simply a tautology to abolish individualism. If it neither picks your pocket nor breaks your leg, why do you care if someone believes in one god, no god, or twenty gods?

If you're referring to religion i.e. organized, then even then, organized religion is simply a particularized form of collectivism. That's what one world governments and the OP's like ultimately reduce to: irrational collectivism.

Originally posted by FugitiveSoul
The only way a one-world government could work is if we rid ourselves of organized religion. Of course, we would have to prove to people that their religions were fallacies or we would have to kill anyone who couldn’t conform their beliefs and learn to play ball.
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The above is why socialists/communists are all cruel, barbarians who claim "we are just doing it to save the world" meanwhile they murder millions of people and imprison millions more because those people would not bow down to socialim/communism...