Santorum jumps the shark. Pledges to make porn illegal

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by colbe
reply to post by nenothtu

 

neno,

Hey, you shouldn't mock the faith and non-Catholic Christianity. We're
in the end times, these are serious times. No matter what period of time
it is, no one knows their last day.

Instead, pray, ask God to give you the faith to believe, He will.

Frank Sinatra is/was Roman Catholic, he died a Roman Catholic. I am
positive he received the Last Rites. Oh, the 'grace' of the Sacraments.

Come to belief brother.


God bless you,



colbe

Hiya, colbe!

Fear not, I have my faith, arrived at after a lot of searching. It's just not one that I wear on my sleeve or push on others. They have their own journey to complete, and if they want to know about my religion, they will ask - I don't have a need to jam it up on them usually.

I rejected Catholicism, particularly Roman Catholicism, for the much the same reasons I left Islam - lack of consistency and illogical beliefs. I don't demand "proofs" in matters of religion, because the nature of religion is such that poofs are not to be had on demand. God does not subject himself to experimentation very well, nor does he tend to jump through hoops on command like a trained dog. I DO, however, expect that a particular belief should be consistent in it's own logic, within the framework of the system.

For example, in Catholicism the belief that the Bible is inerrant is inconsistent with the belief that Church Dogma carries equal or greater weight. If you have an inerrant book, a literal word of God, the pronouncements of man cannot countermand it - that is illogical - OR that god is a very weak one, unworthy of worship.

What religion Sinatra found peace in is his own business, not mine. I examined it, and found it lacking for my own peace. I do not want Catholic Last Rites, since I do not expect nor desire to go to the Catholic heaven.

As far as "End Times" go, every one has his own. We will ALL come to and end at some point, and mine is likely a good deal closer than yours. I'm at peace with that. Don't look for a cataclysmic end, just be prepared for your own, and be at peace when it finds you.

I came to belief some time ago.

neno,

I like your reply, it's uplifting and very kind. My problem is want you and
everyone to become Roman Catholic. Prophecy has been revealing the
same as long as I have read it, both Protestant...in a gentle way...and specifically Roman Catholic messages from Heaven. God is going to
reveal this very "soon" to all souls.

To comment about what I underlined. You have to trust that God gave
us a way to know of His great plan and His love for us. In the New
Covenant, it is through the Church. Men aren't perfect but the teachings
of the Church for 2000 years can be trusted, they are true. They
don't change no matter how far away the world goes from God. The
Gospel says the Church is our authority, she is the pillar and foundation
of Truth. It fits, the Church gave the world the Bible.

Your other words...hmmmm...they worry me. True, we don't know our
last day. We're all the prodigal son. God the Father is running toward
us with open arms. Pray every day from now on and examine your life,
confess all your sins. Advise for everyone here. Me too.


love and prayers,


colbe

p.s. You know what gets me, it's the times, remember, all sexual sins are
mortal so confess them. I am not talking to you specifically, I was just
thinking of the sins that aren't confessed.

Originally posted by colbe

My problem is want you and everyone to become Roman Catholic.

Well, colbe, one should never say never, so I won't, but I will say that I can't imagine a set of circumstances that would convert me at this point. Life sometimes has disappointments, and people wishing for me to convert to Roman Catholicism should brace for that one, small though it may be.

Prophecy has been revealing the same as long as I have read it, both Protestant...in a gentle way...and specifically Roman Catholic messages from Heaven. God is going to reveal this very "soon" to all souls.

I personally don't deal very much with prophecy. Tomorrow brings it's own set of problems, and I prefer to deal with the now, allowing tomorrow to take care of itself until it arrives. To each his own. I realize that there is a need for people to look toward the future for the peace of mind of others who dwell upon it, and so have no quarrel with that.

To comment about what I underlined. You have to trust that God gave us a way to know of His great plan and His love for us. In the New Covenant, it is through the Church. Men aren't perfect but the teachings of the Church for 2000 years can be trusted, they are true. They don't change no matter how far away the world goes from God. The Gospel says the Church is our authority, she is the pillar and foundation of Truth. It fits, the Church gave the world the Bible.

This is a point on which we will differ. I believe the New Covenant is through Christ, and that his words are preserved in the Bible. Any pronouncements, either of church or man, that are in contravention to those words, I will disregard. According to Corinthians, I don't need any intermediaries between myself and God other than Christ.

Where the Bible mentions "The Church", it does not add the modifier "Roman Catholic". I don't believe the Church is limited to the Roman Catholics any more than I believe it's limited to the Eastern Orthodox, the Baptists, the Presbyterians, the Pentecostals, or any other denomination. I believe it refers to the entire body of believers, wherever they may be found, not limited to those in one particular denomination or another.

I believe that there will be a LOT of believers who are surprised by who they find in Heaven - and perhaps more importantly, by who they DON'T find there.

Your other words...hmmmm...they worry me. True, we don't know our last day. We're all the prodigal son.

You may have misunderstood me. I don't know when my last day will come, only that it WILL come. That knowledge in itself is cause to "get right" and not leave loose ends for others to worry at.

God the Father is running toward us with open arms.

This is another point on which we will differ. From your perspective, I may well be the worst sort of "heretic" there is - a generic Calvinist. If "heresy" is your assessment, I don't fault you for that - even most Protestants think I'm a "heretic". Because I'm a Calvinist, I don't believe God is running towards me - he has either claimed me or he hasn't. Likewise, I don't believe God has bound himself by his own word to save every single individual. Were that the case, there would be nothing to worry about, since ALL would be heaven-bound. God does not fail in his endeavors, nor can the actions of mere mortals thwart his will. If God intended to save all, none would escape, and there would be no use for Hell.

Pray every day from now on and examine your life,

Pray I do, whenever and wherever I find myself. I don't feel a need for a special place or a special posture to do so. Since God is everywhere, I don't need to wait until I'm at his "house" to talk to him.

confess all your sins. Advise for everyone here. Me too.

My sins are many. They are confessed on a daily basis, without need for a priest to confess to. God hears, wherever I speak.

love and prayers,

Likewise.

p.s. You know what gets me, it's the times, remember, all sexual sins are mortal so confess them. I am not talking to you specifically, I was just thinking of the sins that aren't confessed.

Sins are sins. There are no "good" ones, and there are no "tiny" ones. ANY sin is "mortal" if one allows it to persist and insulate one from God. Sexually, I've been a pretty good boy, although not perfect. The sins I am reluctant to get specific about very often are not sexual in nature. They ARE confessed - I just don't keep on confessing them. What's done is done, and can't be undone, it can only be forgiven. Once forgiven, you move on and don't dwell on the past. If God himself forgives and forgets, you sin again if you keep beating yourself over it.

They may take our freedom, but they'll never take our PORN!

That's right- jeeezus doesn't wany any of us beating off...

How can you people live with such stupidity?

You refuse to see ALL these religions were fabricated to keep you servile and stupid.

Let's not forget the White House is dead center of the oldest red light district in the country!

That's funny, considering his last name literally means " That frothy mixture of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the by-product of anal sex. I wouldn't be surprised if there's already a few porn stars with the stage name Rick Santorum.

Originally posted by Starsuckers
That's funny, considering his last name literally means " That frothy mixture of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the by-product of anal sex.

Well, thanks to Dan Savage, it does now!

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by Starsuckers
That's funny, considering his last name literally means " That frothy mixture of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the by-product of anal sex.

Well, thanks to Dan Savage, it does now!

God I wish his first name was Dick. The irony would be perfect

Originally posted by MrXYZ

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by Starsuckers
That's funny, considering his last name literally means " That frothy mixture of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the by-product of anal sex.

Well, thanks to Dan Savage, it does now!

God I wish his first name was Dick. The irony would be perfect

Dick is a diminutive of Richard, isn't it?

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by MrXYZ

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by Starsuckers
That's funny, considering his last name literally means " That frothy mixture of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the by-product of anal sex.

Well, thanks to Dan Savage, it does now!

God I wish his first name was Dick. The irony would be perfect

Dick is a diminutive of Richard, isn't it?

OMG, that's right

The name alone makes it clear there's no way he really stands a chance.

they can pry my porn from my sweaty, baby stained, dead hands.....
on a real note, i stopped watching porn after i read what its really like for the females.
after that i no longer was aroused by it.
i dont think anyone should have the power to legislate morality.

Originally posted by Down4Whateva
i dont think anyone should have the power to legislate morality.

Agreed. What's most worrisome about the concept is the idea of one defining morality for the benefit of others.

reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

i agree because morality relative.
what's virtuous to some, might not be to others.
you should not be allowed to push your religious beliefs upon others.
that's one of the things that rankles my scrotum about other "religious" people.
though i believe in the religion that i practice, i have never thought we were all intended to have the same religion.
this is do to the fact that i think "God" sent profits to different people, in different cultures, at different periods of time to deliver the same message but in a manner that fit their language and understanding.
"God" is infinite and because we lack the capacity to perceive the totality of "God", we only perceive attributes or facets of "God"..
because of this no one man or group of men came claim "God " is with them to the exclusion of others, or that they exclusively have all of the knowledge pertaining to "God".
one more thing and i'll stop flappin my yap.
i think religion should be practiced with the focus being on the internal self and not worrying about the things that others do.
as long as their actions don't harm anyone else then live and let live.
anyway that's my 2 pennies.

Originally posted by Down4Whateva
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

 

i agree because morality relative. what's virtuous to some, might not be to others. you should not be allowed to push your religious beliefs upon others.
that's one of the things that rankles my XXX about other "religious" people.
though i believe in the religion that i practice, i have never thought we were all intended to have the same religion.
this is do to the fact that i think "God" sent profits to different people, in different cultures, at different periods of time to deliver the same message but in a manner that fit their language and understanding.
"God" is infinite and because we lack the capacity to perceive the totality of "God", we only perceive attributes or facets of "God"..
because of this no one man or group of men came claim "God " is with them to the exclusion of others, or that they exclusively have all of the knowledge pertaining to "God".
one more thing and i'll stop flappin my yap.
i think religion should be practiced with the focus being on the internal self and not worrying about the things that others do.
as long as their actions don't harm anyone else then live and let live.
anyway that's my 2 pennies.

edit on 2-4-2012 by Down4Whateva because: (no reason given)

No one is forcing you to believe anything (except BHO). You choose
to believe the Truth or not and there is only one Truth. How God desires
you come to accept it. He waits for your free will choice, it's not the
other way around.

All through Scripture, God's plan speaks of oneness of belief. There's
one plan so yes, it is His desire we all believe the same Down4W.

Relativism is a religion, believing whatever you wish to believe is Truth.
Religions, Christian and non-Christian are all man-made. There is only
one faith, the Roman Catholic Faith. It comes from God and that's it.

Soon, God is going to show you personally what I just shared. Say "yes"
to God when it happens. Desire the "Eucharist" and you will make it
through my friend. Remember, remember, remember.

God bless you,


colbe

reply to post by colbe

sir/maam we are gonna have to agree to disagree on this one.
i don't wanna highjack this thread but feel free to visit my profile and drop a line or two and we can continue the topic from there.

Originally posted by Down4Whateva
reply to post by colbe

 

sir/maam we are gonna have to agree to disagree on this one.
i don't wanna highjack this thread but feel free to visit my profile and drop a line or two and we can continue the topic from there.

A mannerly and kind reply, thanks DownW4.

I don't know...

I am starting to give up on the forum, people do not change their beliefs
easily. They need a great sign, something divine....

Wait...joy...there's one coming very "soon" according to Heaven.


blessings to you DownW4,

reply to post by colbe

well if your hopes are to change my mind then i'm sorry that's not gonna happen.
i've studied religions for like the last 20 years including all forms of christianity and i was raised in a christian home.
after the journey i've been on i could never be a chrisitian, i know waaaaayyyyyyyy to much to ever teach my offspring about the easterbunny or christmas or any of the other pagan holidays and practices.
i also dont believe jesus was "God" or the son of "God" or that anyone died for my sins.
but buy the same note i dont care to convince anybody else, though i do enjoy a good conversation or a spirited but respectful debate.
why does it matter to you that you convince others anyway?

reply to post by colbe

No one is forcing you to believe anything (except BHO). You choose
to believe the Truth or not and there is only one Truth. How God desires
you come to accept it. He waits for your free will choice, it's not the
other way around.

All through Scripture, God's plan speaks of oneness of belief. There's
one plan so yes, it is His desire we all believe the same Down4W.

Relativism is a religion, believing whatever you wish to believe is Truth.
Religions, Christian and non-Christian are all man-made. There is only
one faith, the Roman Catholic Faith. It comes from God and that's it.

Soon, God is going to show you personally what I just shared. Say "yes"
to God when it happens. Desire the "Eucharist" and you will make it
through my friend. Remember, remember, remember.

The problem is clowns like Santorum want to enact laws and regulations based on their belief. So while you might believe god gives people a choice, Santorum obviously doesn't.

I am starting to give up on the forum, people do not change their beliefs
easily. They need a great sign, something divine....

Wait...joy...there's one coming very "soon" according to Heaven.

Are you talking about your belief that SF will be destroyed by god because of all the gays?

Originally posted by colbe
I am starting to give up on the forum, people do not change their beliefs
easily. They need a great sign, something divine....

Unless, of course, they are not seeking to change their beliefs. It's actually pretty self-centred to assume that anyone who does not share ones beliefs is looking for a reason to embrace it.

You might want to consider that most folks are pretty comfortable with people practicing their faiths. What annoys them is constantly having to hear about it.