Tea-Party VS Occupy DC

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by couldbeanyone

 

point taken. but thats ows, not odc-- isn't everything much more intense in new york? (that's what the movies made me believe anyway) maybe that's why they're all worked up? ... just kidding. people in odc are getting arrested for standing too close to the gates, not for inciting riots and arson.

Ahhh….but their reputation precedes them, sir.

Everybody knows what to expect from Occupy if things don’t go as planned.

the truth has been spoken. but my question now is... which movement is more organic? the thoughtful planned tea-party, or the mass swarm ideology of the occupy movement? i think mostly the tea party has polished their agenda to such a high degree that they can see their goal like a diamond sparkling in the sky. the occupiers are just waiting to get squashed like a bug. or, as they say PWNED.

reply to post by couldbeanyone

the truth has been spoken. but my question now is... which movement is more organic? the thoughtful planned tea-party, or the mass swarm ideology of the occupy movement? i think mostly the tea party has polished their agenda to such a high degree that they can see their goal like a diamond sparkling in the sky. the occupiers are just waiting to get squashed like a bug. or, as they say PWNED.

I don’t think it matters which movement is more organic. What matters IMO is which one of these opposing views will lead to a better country. The Tea Party is based on classical views and libertarian principles dating back to our founding while OWS is a radical progressive movement dating back to Roosevelt’s New Deal. One path has grown the country while the other path is destroying it. I’ll let you decide which movement will lead us to properity.

The video below does an excellent job of painting this picture....

Occupy has been egging this on
for a long time. I have pretty good
feeling tea party will not start anything.
If the occupiers start attacking tea party
protesters, the tea party folks need to use
their right to carry. If things get real bad, i'm sure
the tea party folks now how to survive.

reply to post by Rockpuck


The Occupy movement has presented the only realistic assessment of the problems facing this country that I've seen.

I could present you with selective bits of information on Mother Teresa and make her out to look like the devil, every piece of information I would present you with would be true, but overall it would fit into a false narrative.

I've seen some actions by soldiers lately that were terrible, does that mean they represent all soldiers? Or the Army?

Originally posted by jlv70
reply to post by Rockpuck

 

I've seen some actions by soldiers lately that were terrible, does that mean they represent all soldiers? Or the Army?

well... I wish i could say something positive or uplifting like 'the whole is worth more than the sum of its parts', but that's not quite true in this case. anyone in that uniform DOES represent all soldiers and represents the united states. PERIOD. anyone in the military has had it shoved down their throats that they need to be worth the uniform because putting it on makes them a hero to regular folks. (on a side note, even if wearing that uniform doesn't mean they represent the USA, people are still going to think so, especially people not in the USA, because uniforms, guns and bombs are all the rest of the world sees of the US anyway. in all cases, they at least represent the US Military.)

reply to post by jlv70


i agree with you that there is sincerity from most of the folks of either party, but is so much a hive mind that scares me. it's like they're all being herded off a cliff and they don't know it. and as in every aspect of life, there are always those few who will ruin it for everybody else. same with ODC and the Tea Party, lots of folks who just want things to change, and a few who are leading them off the cliff. who knows what the figurative cliff is in this analogy, but my point is that this time the stakes are high and the endgame is sinister.

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by couldbeanyone

 

the truth has been spoken. but my question now is... which movement is more organic? the thoughtful planned tea-party, or the mass swarm ideology of the occupy movement? i think mostly the tea party has polished their agenda to such a high degree that they can see their goal like a diamond sparkling in the sky. the occupiers are just waiting to get squashed like a bug. or, as they say PWNED.

I don’t think it matters which movement is more organic. What matters IMO is which one of these opposing views will lead to a better country. The Tea Party is based on classical views and libertarian principles dating back to our founding while OWS is a radical progressive movement dating back to Roosevelt’s New Deal. One path has grown the country while the other path is destroying it. I’ll let you decide which movement will lead us to properity.

The video below does an excellent job of painting this picture....

edit on 16-3-2012 by seabag because: (no reason given)

well done for bringing blatent untruths and painting an entire group with a political purpose,
"HATE THE PROGRESSIVES"

without really understanding the occupy movemnet itself is without external politics,
ANYONE can be part of occupy but that does not mean if a single tea party member joins that it is now "teaparty occupy"
but as a group the tea party could form a "occupy teaparty" this would make them no less teaparty

what im trying to say is your video is very biased in presenting untruths and presenting them as fact,
as are you with your statements.

i smell an agenda to make occupiers into an enemey,
they are not made up of any one group, they are a collection of all groups,

SO YOUR ATTEMPT TO MAKE A WHOLE DIVERSE GROUP,
look like one particular political bent is laugable.

dont "paint your picture" about others and their beleifs if you are so uninformed to use a video with clear bias and inacuracies

why cant the tea party and occupy get along?
well it would seem misconceptions are abound and strangly enough come to DEVIDE along political lines,
lol
when what is needed is NOT videos on why WE CANT WORK TOGETHER,
but videos of WHY WE MUST work together for the childeren of the future.

wake up grow up and do something productive,
demonizing OWS makes you look a little scared of the movement

the countries are to important to let crap like this devide us,
and i question anyone who wilfully tryes to DEVIDE opinion as this is the time used tool of opresion

xploder

reply to post by couldbeanyone


what part of hounering contracts does the bailout fall under?
did you or any tea party member sign a contract where the banks can crash the economy and the tax payers pick up the bill?
is giving the tax payers money to PRIVATE banks not transfering weath?
is it not BLATENT socilism or corpratizm to do this?

where are the contracts that allow your childeren to pay for way ward banking institutions?

untill you answer these questions to you self first how can you FALL for the crap in the video?

DID YOU SIGN THE BAIL OUT CONTRACT?
why are your childeren on the hook for bank losses?

xploder

Originally posted by popsmayhem
Occupy has been egging this on
for a long time. I have pretty good
feeling tea party will not start anything.
If the occupiers start attacking tea party
protesters, the tea party folks need to use
their right to carry. If things get real bad, i'm sure
the tea party folks now how to survive.

i sence violence and anger are not the way,
you seek to devide,
and you sound a little dangerous,
why bring guns for a pieceful protest?

are you trying to make people think in terms of violence, or trying to incite it with fear
wake up noddy
xploder

Originally posted by jlv70
reply to post by Rockpuck

 

The Occupy movement has presented the only realistic assessment of the problems facing this country that I've seen.

I could present you with selective bits of information on Mother Teresa and make her out to look like the devil, every piece of information I would present you with would be true, but overall it would fit into a false narrative.

I've seen some actions by soldiers lately that were terrible, does that mean they represent all soldiers? Or the Army?

and only by staying away from politics and ideolism they will be able to stay on focus,
its about holding bankers and wall street types responcable for the mess THEY created to profit from,

it would seem that if any other group was as harmful to the country they would be in prison by now,
prosicute wall street for the socialist bailouts,
for their crimes

xploder

reply to post by XPLodER


hey now. i didn't sign anything. i don't pledge to the tea party OR ows/odc. i'm an individual, and that's who i'd like to represent/fight for.

Originally posted by XPLodER

well done for bringing blatent untruths and painting an entire group with a political purpose,
"HATE THE PROGRESSIVES"

without really understanding the occupy movemnet itself is without external politics,
ANYONE can be part of occupy but that does not mean if a single tea party member joins that it is now "teaparty occupy"
but as a group the tea party could form a "occupy teaparty" this would make them no less teaparty

what im trying to say is your video is very biased in presenting untruths and presenting them as fact,
as are you with your statements.

i smell an agenda to make occupiers into an enemey,
they are not made up of any one group, they are a collection of all groups,

SO YOUR ATTEMPT TO MAKE A WHOLE DIVERSE GROUP,
look like one particular political bent is laugable.

dont "paint your picture" about others and their beleifs if you are so uninformed to use a video with clear bias and inacuracies

why cant the tea party and occupy get along?
well it would seem misconceptions are abound and strangly enough come to DEVIDE along political lines,
lol
when what is needed is NOT videos on why WE CANT WORK TOGETHER,
but videos of WHY WE MUST work together for the childeren of the future.

wake up grow up and do something productive,
demonizing OWS makes you look a little scared of the movement

the countries are to important to let crap like this devide us,
and i question anyone who wilfully tryes to DEVIDE opinion as this is the time used tool of opresion

xploder

Are you saying that OWS is not a 'progressive' movement? That it does not support Obama or does not support wealth redistribution?

From a cursory analysis it seems that they are very liberal and do support the basic Marxist idea of taking from the rich and giving to the poor.

The video, however, is right on with regards to the economic outcome of the progressive movement. It will reduce economic activity and ultimately shrink the 'pie' that the liberals are trying to divide. Progressive ideologies have destroyed the economies of every society they have touched and are actually counter-productive in helping the plight of the poor.

It is primarly because they have a failed premise, namely that humans, and their institutions can 'perfect' society by their own efforts. All you need is the perfect group of elitists to run it.

Capitalism, on the other hand has the correct premise, humans are flawed and self serving. Therefore exploit that to induce people to create better products and services in the hopes of a big payoff.

Originally posted by SevenThunders
Are you saying that OWS is not a 'progressive' movement? That it does not support Obama or does not support wealth redistribution?

From a cursory analysis it seems that they are very liberal and do support the basic Marxist idea of taking from the rich and giving to the poor.

The video, however, is right on with regards to the economic outcome of the progressive movement. It will reduce economic activity and ultimately shrink the 'pie' that the liberals are trying to divide. Progressive ideologies have destroyed the economies of every society they have touched and are actually counter-productive in helping the plight of the poor.

It is primarly because they have a failed premise, namely that humans, and their institutions can 'perfect' society by their own efforts. All you need is the perfect group of elitists to run it.

Capitalism, on the other hand has the correct premise, humans are flawed and self serving. Therefore exploit that to induce people to create better products and services in the hopes of a big payoff.

Is Belgian's society destroyed, how 'bout Sweden's or Icelands, or even was Libya a bad place before the US staged a coup? These were all progressive liberal societies. Your facts are innacurate.

However, your last paragraph completely sheds light on your psychopathic view of humanity. You're advocating exploiting humans for personal gain. Slave owners have the same outlook. In effect you're advocating slavery of humanity for personal gain, which i think is a lot closer to your statement of "All you need is the perfect group of elitists to run it" as only a few elite gain under the management of your capitalism system, while the greater majority suffer through being exploited.

Right, Dominus?

Originally posted by Evil_Santa
Is Belgian's society destroyed, how 'bout Sweden's or Icelands, or even was Libya a bad place before the US staged a coup? These were all progressive liberal societies. Your facts are innacurate.

However, your last paragraph completely sheds light on your psychopathic view of humanity. You're advocating exploiting humans for personal gain. Slave owners have the same outlook. In effect you're advocating slavery of humanity for personal gain, which i think is a lot closer to your statement of "All you need is the perfect group of elitists to run it" as only a few elite gain under the management of your capitalism system, while the greater majority suffer through being exploited.

Right, Dominus?

The answer is yes, Belgium is a basket case and may bring down all of europe.
www.policymic.com...

Your debt is unserviceable, you have no economic growth and are missing essential economic freedoms. Like most socialist states in europe it is very difficult to raise your social standing through entrepreneurship and hard work, due to the barriers placed on new businesses. Sweden and the nordic socialist countries are horrible for ordinary entrepreneurs. If you are already wealthy then great, otherwise your life is dictated to you by the government essentially from cradle to grave. That is why they are largely a humorless people these days.

Despite the socialist shackles you have placed on yourselves, you still are basically a capitalistic society and free markets have kept you going until recently. But like all welfare states you will soon collapse in a mountain of debt. Your debt approaches that of Greece now. Since Obama wants the US to be economically enslaved, just like europe, the US will follow suit shortly.

If my premise regarding the evils of socialism were inaccurate, the Soviet Union would have won the cold war. Instead their social economic planners ran their economy into the ground despite having a resource advantage over the US. All economies that adopt socialism have seen large reductions in GDP and large reduction in net wealth and ultimately a REDUCED ability to provide misguided social programs.

Unfortunately you are so mentally shackled by government controlled media that you can not see the truth of my premise. Every attempt at making a social paradise has started with the murder of millions of people. Start with Robespierre France, move to Stalinist Russia and end with North Korea. Europe in general follows this trend after murdering millions of the unborn to maintain sexual 'freedom'.

As far as exploitation, I was talking about exploiting the flaw in human nature to create a better society, not the exploitation of the masses. That role better suits socialism where the individual becomes a slave of the state. It remains astonishing to me that anyone thinks that the state deserves that much control over the daily lives of the individual. I see many more Hitlers in our future.

reply to post by SevenThunders

Capitalism, on the other hand has the correct premise, humans are flawed and self serving. Therefore exploit that to induce people to create better products and services in the hopes of a big payoff.

what do you call the socialist bank bailouts of wall street crooks?
how does capitialism "work" when the banks get a massive chunk of the labour hours from your yet to be born childeren?
how does a free market economy not look to the casual observer like govenment selected winners and losers?

i think the reality of the situation is different that the image in your mind,

you are advocating slave labour for one group, (wages or money from labour or products)
and for a selective group of bankers, profit from failure

keep telling me this is working while half of the us is on food stamps

xploder

reply to post by jlv70


The Occupy Movement has discussed every percievable issue in our country. I've seen OWS protest calling for citizenship for illegals. I've seen them march to support gay marriage. I've seen them occupy a bank lobby in the middle of the day. I've seen them protest student loans. I've seen them protest against wars. I've seen them protest against .... everything.

I've seen the Tea Party protest the Government.

In the end this is the defining difference. Government created the problems we have.. and they create the statistics to cover our economic issues. They lie, they cheat, they steal, they sell us out.

OWS wants more government to fix broken government.

Tea Party wants less government to reduce the broken government.

I don't disagree with everything OWS says.. I agree with a lot of it.. I just usually don't agree with their solutions (in the very rare case that they produce a unified agreement as a solution)

reply to post by XPLodER


Capitalism and Socialism don't work together. The philosophies are polar opposite. What we have today is not Capitalism by the classical sense of the word.. it's a fascist hybrid where the largest corporations are literally part of the government. Whether it's a large bank we bailout or research corporations like Google who develop with our government tools to suppress us.

In the end it all comes down to one thing: Government.

Originally posted by XPLodER

what do you call the socialist bank bailouts of wall street crooks?

I call it socialism. That's how it works, a few state approved enterprises get to continually rape the public and steal from government coffers. True capitalism however punishes bloated inefficient organizations va competition. In this case the state does not allow real competition in the financial markets, nor do they enforce their own anti-trust laws for breaking up monopolies. A monopoly is all that a state controlled or favored industry is.



As I pointed out earlier, our poverty is from a lack of capitalism not from too much capitalism. I might also add it stems from moral issues, since a corrupt people will always have a corrupt government.

If you want to prosper you need more Jesus and more capitalism, in that order. This has been true throughout modern history, but the god of this world likes to keep people dumb, brainwashed and ignorant.