Soldiers: "You (civilians/countrymen) Are Not Worth Fighting For!!!"

reply to post by EvanB


you know I was just going to shut this page but this really urked me. Who the hell do you think you are. The only saving grace our troops have is that they are told that they have killed MILLIONS in the last 50 years FOR OUR SAFETY. You have a problem with your JOB then quit. Don't complain to us just because you had your head so far up your kazoo you forgot to get marketable skills. Now you can become a mercenary and go kill more people without the guise of doing it for dumbass freedom we don't have or monkey balls security we have less of now.

You will even get paid 25 times as much for causing misery on this earth and probably only find solace when you go to the shooting range by yourself to pop a few off in a vain attempt to deal with your problems you were too much of a coward to deal with in real life. Your relationships are probably a sham. Your family has PITTY for you since you were always the angry kid that "no one understood". Screw that. I was hard on my luck for a job and I dealt with it. I would of made a great soldier. But I don't kill people because rich people tell me to.

You can say we are not worthy of your killing of people in sandals and poverty level lives. I say you are not worthy of your military service. You have no honor. You do this for the perks? Are you retarded. Military life is one of the hardest and most un-gratifying things you can do. It is done supposedly by patriots that love their country and their people.

You coward. You think because you are not scared to die you are a man or better a person than us? You are a lesser man for judging us. You are a lesser soldier for speaking like a traitor to your people.

The only saving grace you guys have is that you serve with honor for what you think is a just cause. Take that away and you are just an animal trained to kill other animals with more than clubs and rocks.

go now and serve your rich masters. They need more oil.

good luck with that future mercenary and murderer of countless hundreds.

I am sorry if I brought down the level of intelectual conversation here, but that needed to be said.

Another point that I would like to try and make is why do people feel the need to focus on the fighting aspect of the military? Yes, I know that's the main purpose and all and it's what most people look at when they see the military considering the eye-ball deep feces we happen to be wading in. But where are the news reports that show the other half of the military forces that provide relief to countries in need? It's like all you would ever see is something like this:

News report: The Philippines have been hit be a devastating typhoon that has killed upwards of 10,000 people! There is more than $2 million worth of damages to businesses and homes! Thousands of people have been displaced and are living in refugee centers! Oh, the US Navy is here to provide massive amounts of relief to these poor, unfortunate people. Buuuut, they're not killing them so we are just going to skip over this part. BLAH BLAH DEATH DESTRUCTION AND MAYHEM!

I think that if every negative story about the military was countered with two stories of the awesome things we can and often do for people in other countries, the skewed view that our own people can often reflect upon us just might be a little less aggressive.

But as people said, don't blame the pawn blame the player. Or something like that. Don't blame the soldiers or the citizens(chose to use this term instead of civillian because someone actually made a decent argument about the use of civilian), blame the government.

I have a feeling that I'm going to look at this after I have gotten some sleep and wonder what my point was as I'm sure most of you will wonder the same and just skip it. lol

reply to post by EvanB


Well BOO-F*****G-HOO!
Quit the armed forced and go be a mercenary.
Then you only have to fight for those who pay you enough.
There, you´re little "problem" solved. I have nothing but contempt for people who
choose their path and then start whining about their choice, so suck it up
and at least TRY to act like someone who MIGHT deserve some respect.

Lol if im correct you should have known what you got into when signed up. Did you really expect a free ride life just by signing a paper? I mean seriously xD

Don't worry we don't need you nor do I care if you guys look down on "civilians". Want to know why? It's used by the military as an egotistical agenda. Meaning your pretty much a dog wanting his stomache pet lol, *yessir I'm a baddy and a tough guy yessir I ain't no civvy imm stronng!*.

The best part is..that foreign president you were talking about.. He's your boss xD!!! So basically your telling us "civilians" it's our fault when your working for the man. # all us civilians do is pay for everything you have.

if you were really aware then you would know civilian vote doesn't matter. A comedian I like explained it with this reference, "our votes are pretty much how it is when I ask my kids what they want to eat. Alright kids what would you like to eat? Chicken. Chicken. Chicken. Alright so we're havin pizza guys!"

ignored all previous post....

I read this in awe...and i normally wouldnt respond to your arrogant and ignorant post in kind but you have no right to sit there and bitch.
I never asked anyone to fight for me because i fight my own battles on top of that these wars you fight are bull#.
whatever battle you fought in whichever life you took you did so in vein, dont blame people like me for your failures, if you really wanted to fight for me you wouldnt have allowed a corrupt government to send you over sees to defend the freedoms of those same foreigners you complaign about now...

If you really wanted to fight for me you wouldnt be bitching about the situation on the internet you would be taking action and coming home to defend us against the tyranny that has risen in your absence. Now we have to fight you to get our liberties back so come home soon, look me up and we can have it.

you are a fool, i would gladly lay my life on the line...if the damn cause was worth it, ill tell you now...the day you and your comrades stand in my country, fully armed and ready to kill becasue that was what you were brainwashed to do, i will be there in direct oppostion to you, and you will never have seen anyone fight with such vigor or intent.
You want to complaign about civilians not being worth fighting for then stop fighting or shut up.

to OP no one is worth fighting for. plain and simple. You perpetuate most situations over seas by signing up. So quit and be a human being instead of a drone who listens to his commander. War is 100% pointless

Whether people agree with the reason or not, but I do tend to agree.

Most people join the military to serve their country, for better or worse. I think it has become clear that even a lot of soldiers do not agree with the wheres and whys of being shipped off to some foreign land in todays world. Nevertheless, most individuals do sign up for the greater good of this country, and if these people did not then our military could be potentially worse than it is. Having people of conscience among the ranks that know the difference helps keeps things positive. Otherwise, we would certainly have mindless people that will do anything and everything that they are told to do, like turning on the very citizens that they swore to protect. It could be worse.

I do find it disconcerting though when we do have our soldiers injured and traumatized that most people are only worried about the next greatest app and gadget. The soldiers do put their lives on the line and whether we agree or not, they are people too trying to do what they think is right. But understand, once they are there it is not about following orders, it is about survival. This is what they sign up for.

However, if these soldiers are going around the world fighting battles then it is the rest of the citizens responsibility to do their part and fight the battles on the home front while the soldiers are on another front. I am quite certain that the thing that pisses most soldiers off is the lack of support from the citizens they protect is the apathy of the nation. While it is the responsibility for the soldier to go fight in foreign lands if necessary, it is the citizens responsibility to fight the corruption to keep our soldiers out of places they have no business being in. This to me is where our society drops the ball and fails to protect the very people that protect them, and turn their backs on their very own brothers and sisters.

reply to post by EvanB


Is this a psyop to get us to antagonize the troops?

reply to post by John_Rodger_Cornman


Couldn't be better played, if so.

Terrible news.

Soldiers and civilians: time to heal the breach.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Speak for yourself soldier.

Civilians are undisciplined, loud, obnoxious, and carefree. They do not pay attention to detail and simply don't care for the most part. Our job is to make that possible.

Stop complaining, do your job, and remember you work for them. They do pay our salaries, they do depend on us to make sure people like the taliban don't show up on their doorstep, even if they don't appreciate it or criticize the manner in which we do it. It's their RIGHT. A right we help to protect.

reply to post by EvanB

I agree that many people cannot see that our soldiers are trying to protect us. I wish I could change their minds. I have a great respect for those in our armed forces. I think you are blowing off steam and that is good. Now that you have said your part and made us aware of how some feel in the armed forces, you can chill out. We need people that are willing to put their life on the line so we can live in peace. I do not agree with all the reasons we are fighting but will never say anything bad about the soldiers in our military. I might comment on the conduct of a few who have gotten stressed out and did things that are not right, but that happens everywhere. I hope you understand that not all people understand what serving our country really means. I wish they all understood. If something happens I would rather have the soldiers helping us instead of against us.

Hey, I'm proud of our soldiers fighting for Queen and country........in Afghanistan, thousands of miles away from British shores, erm, wait a minute.....


I suppose at least our troops (British) have a sense of decency and try not to antagonise the natives by shooting innocents in their bed or burning sacred texts, or urinating on the deceased enemy soldiers.


Sorry Evan, wasn't having a stab at you, I'm against war in the ME, more so since loosing a friend over there.

reply to post by projectvxn


and if soldiers like him would take a moment to realize thier surroundings they would find they have more support than they know.
I come from a military family, i grew up in Fort Devens, Mass. I know what the sacrifes you men and woman make are for and why you make them, what i dont know is what would make a hardened soldier turn against his own, this man/woman should be in the brig for a phych eval. at best

reply to post by owtFsink


This soldier is probably just venting. It's a totally different perspective for those of us in the military, as you know, or who are close to the military. It's very easy to become frustrated with the way the civilian world treats and sees the military sometimes.

But this type of complaining and total disregard for the values we are supposed to represent as uniformed personnel is very troubling to me. It shows a lack of discipline on his/her part as well as a lack of sophistication in how a member of the armed forces expresses their concerns.

Well,you seem to be in the UK and I am in the US, so I am not certain if you consider yourself to be fighting for me, but what concerns me is your avatar calling for Direct Democracy. See, you are supporting a socialist system and then complaining because the taxpayers who are paying for your services are not worth fighting for. I would think at least your paycheck is worth it anyway. Just my opinion though.
As a final note, I would hope that people fighting for their fellow countrymen would do so with a sense of Patriotism and honor and not because they expect them to be a certain way which you find acceptable. Patriotism is out of vogue with certain people these days. Hindu Yogis say not to be attached to the fruit of one's labor. This is the wisdom of the East, and I hope it serves as a tether for you to develop character.

Cheers

"You (civilians/countrymen) Are Not Worth Fighting For!!!"

You are not....

Why the hell should any of us put our lives on the line for any of you??..

Who asked you? You volunteered.

We did not want war in Iraq. We were lied to, by people who use you as puppets. As for Afghanistan, you should have long been out of there. Plus you are fighting a stone age cult with all of the resources of modern technology and yet you still can't wrap it up. Again, used like puppets. They don't want you to leave and they don't care about you.

Do you think that we become soldiers to "Get Paid"???

My God, do you do it for the thrill? To run around like little boys with guns? Because with some of you - that's what it seems like.

Because it is a profession as much as becoming a carpenter, lawyer or doctor...

That is a sad commentary on your psyche as well as society. That there are those among us and that we support those who would kill as a profession and not out of necessity. .

We will look after you when you look after us...

I agree that you should have support services, medical and psychiatric care when you come home, but I'll not agree that we need a regular, standing professional army as big as what we have got.

reply to post by SGTSECRET


well said sir

nice to hear that coming from a troop!

reply to post by EvanB

reply to post by projectvxn


i wont make any claims to know the perspective of an active member of the military, i have never been a member myself and have never experienced combat, my path led me away from that.
Yes it is troubbling to see the state of society in reguards to the military but soldiers who spout off as such do not make things better. Good luck to us all and thanks for your time.

Originally posted by loOranks
reply to post by EvanB

 

great insight, i hope many will watch it

Firstly, The last time any members of the armed forces DEFENDED British people was in the Falklands in the 80's and unless you are a very high ranking officer you wouldn't still be in the forces now, so you have NEVER fought for the British people !

Secondly, what makes you think you have a right to council housing ? You say you have been working and doing your job for many years so why don't you have the money to either buy a house or rent from a private landlord like the rest of us have to do ? It should be easy for a soldier to save money, your accommodation is provided, your food is provided and your travel is paid for.
You seem to be blaming the British public for the fact that you haven't had any forethought about providing for yourself upon leaving the forces, sorry pal but there's only one place you can lay the blame for that and that is solely with yourself.