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Soldiers: "You (civilians/countrymen) Are Not Worth Fighting For!!!"

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posted on Mar, 17 2012 @ 08:31 AM
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Originally posted by EvanB
reply to post by darthdamo74
 


But we get the double whammy of being hated by our own countrymen who put us in those wars by their votes in the first place!


You don't get put there by our votes.

As a member of the military, you are fed lies. One of those lies is the false contradiction that we exist both democratically and as a free society. Elections are rigged. The government does entirely as it pleases, irrespective of what the civilian population wants or thinks. We do not want you to go to war, and be killed or maimed; the government does, and it decides to send you whether we want you to go or not.

There are two grievances, specifically, that civilians have with the contemporary military.

a] That you have a sense of entitlement, and expect us to worship you. Contrary to what you think, we are under no obligation to do that whatsoever; and we may or may not do so, as we choose. Some of us do choose to. We know that your lives as soldiers are difficult. We are aware of the fact that the government uses you, and throws you away when it is finished with you; when it has extracted as much blood and service from you as it can.

If we are responsible for that ourselves at all, it is only through inaction; we should have done more to stop the government than we have; although if we try and do that, we are typically faced with violence from the police.

b] That you are fed lies by the government, as mentioned, which you enthusiastically believe, and then aggressively attempt to force us to believe said lies as well; primarily because self-deception is generally a lot less painful for you than confronting the genuine truth of your situation.

No Western country is a free society. The democracy and freedom which you think you are fighting for, currently does not exist. The American Republic is entirely dead, at this point. Our freedom of speech and assembly are not upheld by the government, and if we persist, we will be bashed and/or arrested by the police.

You are not, and have not at any time, engaged in legitimate defense of this freedom that we have lost. You have been deceived, and diverted out of the country for the sake of corporate profit, and also so that while you were gone, the government could then prey on us while we were subsequently defenseless.

So no. You cannot expect gratitude from civilians for your defense of our freedom, because you have not defended it. It is gone.




posted on Mar, 17 2012 @ 09:01 AM
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Originally posted by chizeled
You are surrendering your life so that Michelle Obama can take another vacation.

I defeated everything that I said there. I meant to say that you are surrendering your life to pay for Michelle's vacation. You're not actually defending Michelle though. You don't even operate as a military defending the U.S. on U.S. soil.



posted on Mar, 17 2012 @ 09:15 AM
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Originally posted by EvanB


Not only has the bought and paid for scum governments voted in by you guys have let us down...


.....And it still fking hurts!


Not voted in by me. I don't consider it wise to give anyone permission to make decisions on my behalf so I don't vote for anyone. I've done publicity stunts for two politicians who are very pro-military while being anti-war. I'll take part in the political process but I'm not giving anyone permission to make any decisions.

Robin Cook was murdered with a directed energy weapon after he told us all al-Qaeda is not an organisation, it's the name of the database of C.I.A. trained mujahideen.

This from wikipedia....
"Former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook wrote that the word al-Qaeda should be translated as "the database", and originally referred to the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen militants who were recruited and trained with CIA help to defeat the Russians.."

Robin Cook's corpse has more integrity than this coked-up clown.


I've been shot twice with directed energy weapons for my extreme political street theatre stunts. I still experience some symptoms from the second time. You don't have to be in the military to put your life on the line for your people.



posted on Mar, 17 2012 @ 10:56 AM
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Now here's the thing, the military is out fighting on foreign soil for [insert reason you believe], so the country that military comes from doesn't really have a connection. There is just a huge disconnect from the countries populace and it's military. There is no way around that. But what if the fight was in our own back yard? What if tomorrow China, Russia, and North Korea decide they want to bring Communism to America and invades through Alaska. This Red Coalition Army takes no prisoners and leaves no survivors when met with resistance. Whole cities destroyed because a few people wanted to fight back. Now, ask yourself what you would think when you realized this Army is rampaging down from Canada and into the northern states. At this point, you know a large, well equipped army is only miles away. Do you decide to fight even though you know you will die? Seriously ask yourself this question. Would you charge in to battle against unbeatable odds knowing you will die? Will you wonder where the military is? Would you even ask us to fight for you?

I know this example is way out there, but instead of focusing on the war front do your research on what else the military does.



posted on Mar, 17 2012 @ 11:12 AM
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reply to post by Echo3Foxtrot
 

The only thing we can truly rely on is that there will be a core group of military psychopaths who will kill anyone who gets in their way. Our boys prove time and again that anyone is fair game.

The rules have changed and so must we.



posted on Mar, 17 2012 @ 11:49 AM
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Originally posted by Kester

Originally posted by EvanB




I've been shot twice with directed energy weapons for my extreme political street theatre stunts. I still experience some symptoms from the second time. You don't have to be in the military to put your life on the line for your people.


You've been shot twice?

When and where?

Who was using this directed energy weapon?



posted on Mar, 17 2012 @ 12:35 PM
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My friend,

My concern with your misguided rant is that you are not very well. You say you suffer from PTSD and i think you should get some help as soon as possible. There are many charitable organisations in th UK for soldiers that can point you in the right direction as well as government funded ones, to help you get back on your feet, via housing, sickness benefits if needed, therapy until you are more well, and then intergration back into society i.e getting back into socialising via groups and then finding appropriate work etc.

If you are indeed suffering from PTSD it is a very bad idea to hide it and carry on regardless in the miltary, it could make things worse and you could end up doing something you will regret for the rest of your life and ruining this career you say you love so much.

I suffer from a severe mental illness, i've never been in the military, but have recieved top notch help from the NHS. I found myself homeless, i had to stay in a hostel for a few weeks and then was able to get into supported housing for vulnerable adults, which changed my life around and got me a step further into social housing. You can do the same, you just need to ask for help.

I am not a foreigner, nor have i never payed my taxes or sat around on my arse doing nothing.

I also don't hate our troops, but i do hate the countless unnecessary wars you are all made to fight under the illusion of protecting our Country and Freedoms, and i think that you will find that is the same for many people.

Get help, you will feel better for it in the long run.

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posted on Mar, 17 2012 @ 01:15 PM
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Hi.
Yes, once was over a period of several days in my back garden. I didn't realise what was happening, I thought I was just very ill. Then a child walked in front of me and staggered back holding his chest saying, "I feel like I'm dying." It still took a while for it to sink in what this meant. When I started talking about it over the phone it stopped. It's been suggested to me it could have been a device hidden in something or mounted on a tree. It could also have been a sniper hidden on the hill behind my house. These weapons are sometimes disguised as cameras or other objects. A sniper dressed as a wildlife photographer, hidden in a hide and using what looks like a camera with a big lens would be almost completely safe.

This was done following a flamboyant publicity stunt that got the attention of thousands and it seems caused a major politician to see right through the false flag terror scam. Please don't ask for more details on that. The people involved know what the story is, it won't help me to make a big deal out of it. They have to cause a heart attack or something like that so it can never be proved to be murder.

The second time was worse. I did a suicidal publicity stunt in front of hundreds of uniformed military. (I did it largely for their sake). A stand of dignitaries, the local police force and my prime target, the spooks. I knew they'd try to kill me for it but it had to be done. I was surprised they tried it as soon as the next day. This was a different weapon. It caused mild discomfort when it hit which gradually became pain then agony. That night I was barely able to breathe. I had to lie on an axe handle and lever it up into my back to relax enough to breathe. Next day I managed to walk a few steps bent over double. After three days I could move around and after about ten days I was more or less out of pain. I still experience some symptoms, I'm not going to dwell on that so please don't waste time asking.

That attack was carried out in a busy public place. I was having an intense conversation at the time. I suspect they wait for you to be involved in something so you don't react to the initial sensation. The common advice is, if you feel a beam hit you, move instantly. There was only one place in front of me that was clear of other people, I could feel the angle the beam passed through, they must have stood behind me, I was sitting on a bench, and aimed to avoid collateral damage. Two people in a row getting hit would give a line back to the shooter and possibly be caught on someones camera. The symptoms were a swollen, very tense red area on the back where it hit, a sensation of the path it took and a less swollen, tense area where it exited.

Don't let it put you off sticking up a very big finger to the criminal elite. Rather see it as encouragement. Their super expensive state of the art weapons are not reliable and the more they're discussed the less useful they are.

Now for the final part of your question, who. Well, they didn't make a great effort to identify themselves. That's because they're terrified of exposure. My actions showed very clearly and simply to politicians, police, intelligence etc. that the whole false flag war on terror business is childishly simple to unravel and anyone who is a professional investigator who chooses to pretend to believe the whole scam in exchange for fiat currency and petty power is a worthless something that the moderators won't let me say. I would expect whoever is going to lose out when police, intelligence and politicians actually behave like responsible grownups is the culprit who ordered the hit.



You, yes you who are reading this. Now it's your turn. Get out there and do it.



posted on Mar, 17 2012 @ 01:28 PM
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Originally posted by EvanB
reply to post by darthdamo74
 


You are damn right there are sour grapes..

Not only has the bought and paid for scum governments voted in by you guys have let us down

Dishonoured our service by sending us to war based on lies and greed.

But we get the double whammy of being hated by our own countrymen who put us in those wars by their votes in the first place!

Then when we leave service we are left for dead.. It is not so bad now, but even still, in terms of relative population, there are large proportions of us homeless and in prison because of insufficiant resettlement..

Leaving the forces is not just like leaving a job.. It is almost like leaving a cult.. We are institutionalised.. Like fishes out of water.. It takes years to adjust to civvy street and some, especially those with PTSD habe very great difficulty..

Even the way we talk to people has to change and the way we interact with others..

Imagine that, being left for dead and being hated on by the very people you gave your all for..

Then compound that by the realisation that you were being lied too..

On a personal level my thought processes have had to change from idealistic patriotic service for my country, to one of just serving my fellow soldier just to stay sane..

And it still fking hurts!

You act like a spoiled child.

Why do you time and time again blame us for electing a government that you as well vote for? Are you really so naive as to think there is a right and wrong choice? You lived through both Blair and now Brown, who do you now suggest the voters vote in?

Your anger is misdirected and childish. We civilians suffer under the yoke of these idiotic governments as well, but in you shortsightedness, you only care about yourself and those you fight alongside. You've made it obvious that you hold civilians soley responsible for your predicament.

I worry about the state of our armed forces. When you do finally decide you have had enough and attempt a military coup, the reign of terror you will inflict on the civilian population you so despise will make the current situation under TPTB look like a walk in the park.

I don't want people like you protecting me. We deserve better.
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posted on Mar, 17 2012 @ 01:47 PM
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Maybe we should all work harder at being the kind of citizens the military would want to protect. Instead of falling for lies and rhetoric and voting for the prettiest face or to ease our conscience or to support our party or get the most goodies from the government, maybe we should find out who these bozos are, see through them, and encourage GOOD people to run for office. Since the government makes our decisions for us, we'd better have a lot of confidence in that government and you can only have that if you get out in the trenches and find out who you are voting for. Meanwhile, there's an awful lot we could all be doing on the local level to keep our politicians honest. There is so much good that we can each individually do by volunteering, mentoring, contributing, and not just ranting about politics. Confront those guys, tell them what you think. If it happens enough, they'll listen.

The military does an awful lot that doesn't involve killing people. They are paid very little and do a great deal of good. Even abroad - I have several friends who went to Afghanistan, then came home, created foundations to raise money to build orphanages and schools and fly maimed children to the states for good medical care and surgeries to correct damage and deformities. The National Guard spent their weekends for a year in my hometown building ballfields for kids to play on, on vacant land owned by the school district. The training the military provides means the skills to insure a lifetime of employment for hundreds of thousands of people. Active duty personnel receive very little in the way of financial compensation and are getting hit harder now to cover their medical costs. The country is backing out of its promises to servicepeople. As a citizen, I want to fight for THEM, so that they will get what they've been promised, what they've earned.

Politicians are wrong, not the military.



posted on Mar, 17 2012 @ 02:28 PM
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Spoiled child?

So you think that voicing an opinion based on experience is acting like a spoilt child?

Maybe I could have worded my posts better, but that would be dishonest.. I would not be conveying truth and would be just like a politician who spins crap..

Truth is, as I have said before, that we are tired.. Worn out both physically and emotionally.. You cant expect us to be rational all the time with that in mind.... Then have to deal with frustration and lies from our leaders, the haters at home, and with the trauma of being at war too.. It is not just a case of suck it up you spoiled child.. These issues are real and felt by many.. Some a lot worse than myself... They are who I feel for..

When I wrote the op I was very drunk and upset.. I apologise to those that i have upset.. I just wanted to highlight the fact that the people who serve are people too.. Not mindless killer robots, but people who feel and hurt, who break down and who get tired in everyway possible...

The British soldier whinges with the very best of them.. We have something to whinge about, but although we may have a good moan, we still do our jobs...



posted on Mar, 17 2012 @ 02:45 PM
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did you miss this thread, or purposely ignore it?



posted on Mar, 17 2012 @ 04:26 PM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by EvanB
 


did you miss this thread, or purposely ignore it?


No I did not

I sent the op an IM with information he wanted



posted on Mar, 17 2012 @ 04:48 PM
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here is what i think should happen.... all the civvy`s soldiers and pretty much anyone who isn't in government band together and walk right up to the white house and demand change



posted on Mar, 17 2012 @ 04:56 PM
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After reading the whole thread I can see the huge gulf that has been made seemingly on purpose between us soldiers and civilians..

It was done by design.. Either to save money, or to purposely drive a wedge between those we serve i.e. you so that we would follow the government stance if the shtf..

I have already made the point in this thread that I would NEVER fire on my countrymen..

So say we all

I know I CAN speak for us all on that..

Maybe that is why they keep us thousands of miles from you???

I promise you... Any illegal order made by tptb to fire or repress our nations citizens will be met by lethal force on those making that order..

Maybe they get that... As has been posted in the threads about rats leaving a sinking ship, maybe they know..



posted on Mar, 17 2012 @ 04:56 PM
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i dont know how so many soldiers knowingly go to war fighting for what isnt right and just, knowing that america is swirling the toilette because the government is waaaaay out of hand. i live in canada, i was in air cadets and almost joined the military. they actually called me to be a tank driver/mechanic. i refused because fighting for what you beleive in isnt the same as fighting for what the gov believes in anymore. defending means there is someone attacking and no one is attacking canada/usa so wtf are they defending exactly?



posted on Mar, 17 2012 @ 04:58 PM
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reply to post by EvanB
 


the world is just plain f**ked



posted on Mar, 17 2012 @ 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by EvanB
reply to post by nightbringr
 


Spoiled child?

So you think that voicing an opinion based on experience is acting like a spoilt child?

Maybe I could have worded my posts better, but that would be dishonest.. I would not be conveying truth and would be just like a politician who spins crap..

Truth is, as I have said before, that we are tired.. Worn out both physically and emotionally.. You cant expect us to be rational all the time with that in mind.... Then have to deal with frustration and lies from our leaders, the haters at home, and with the trauma of being at war too.. It is not just a case of suck it up you spoiled child.. These issues are real and felt by many.. Some a lot worse than myself... They are who I feel for..

When I wrote the op I was very drunk and upset.. I apologise to those that i have upset.. I just wanted to highlight the fact that the people who serve are people too.. Not mindless killer robots, but people who feel and hurt, who break down and who get tired in everyway possible...

The British soldier whinges with the very best of them.. We have something to whinge about, but although we may have a good moan, we still do our jobs...


KUDOS for you for this, maybe you DO deserve some respect.


Also from my personal experience, alcohol and ATS do NOT mix, you just end up getting
your ass handed to you, and that is NOT something you want to wake up with...
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posted on Mar, 17 2012 @ 05:20 PM
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The problem I see with this topic Evan is that you are separating yourself from the civilians too much, this will only cause you to go deeper into depression and you will keep pushing people away.

First of all Soldiers vote too, you cannot put the blame on "civilians" when soliders make up part of the vote.

The other problem is some soldiers think they are better than civillians, this also is not good for your mental mind and reconnecting with society.

You need to stop viewing civilians and soldiers in such an extreme generalisation.

You talk about hatred for soldiers, while there is valid reasons for that hatred but even so many people can look past their hatred for the war and understand that soliders are humans just like them, individuals each with their own opinions and views about the world, just like all humans.

But when you generalise civilians your just doing the same the people who generalise soldiers do, so in that sense your no different.


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posted on Mar, 17 2012 @ 07:15 PM
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Originally posted by Kester

Originally posted by EvanB


Not only has the bought and paid for scum governments voted in by you guys have let us down...


.....And it still fking hurts!


Not voted in by me. I don't consider it wise to give anyone permission to make decisions on my behalf so I don't vote for anyone. I've done publicity stunts for two politicians who are very pro-military while being anti-war. I'll take part in the political process but I'm not giving anyone permission to make any decisions.

Robin Cook was murdered with a directed energy weapon after he told us all al-Qaeda is not an organisation, it's the name of the database of C.I.A. trained mujahideen.

This from wikipedia....
"Former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook wrote that the word al-Qaeda should be translated as "the database", and originally referred to the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen militants who were recruited and trained with CIA help to defeat the Russians.."

Robin Cook's corpse has more integrity than this coked-up clown.


I've been shot twice with directed energy weapons for my extreme political street theatre stunts. I still experience some symptoms from the second time. You don't have to be in the military to put your life on the line for your people.
are u referring to a taser?



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