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Soldiers: "You (civilians/countrymen) Are Not Worth Fighting For!!!"

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posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 03:00 PM
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Also, how the hell can you come on here bitching at us when YOU signed up to go into foreign countries with weapons and shoot people. YOU did that, not me. Want to know why I didn't sign up for the armed forces? Because I'm NOT F**KING DUMB ENOUGH to hand my life over to someone who views me as a tool rather than a person. I learned in 3rd grade what the US military was used for when we went into Iraq for the first time so we could keep siphoning oil from underneath the Iraqi border and stop Hussein from trading oil in other currencies. How can you be so damned stupid to think the military is an honorable place to be at this time? At one point, sure, it was, but that time is long since gone. So don't come on here whining because you don't want to do the bidding of your tyrannical masters when YOU were the one stupid enough to sign up without reading the fine print, so to speak, YOU were the one who thought it was a good idea to sign up with one of the most corrupt organizations on the planet. So tired of hearing you soldiers bitch and moan about your petty problems when you signed up for the s**t. Give me free health care WHAAAA give me more money WHAAAAA give me psychological care WHAAAAA. Shut up and take what you asked for, tool.




posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 03:11 PM
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Nobody is fighting at MY request.
There has been no threat.
The invented so called attacks have clearly been orchestrated by those who profit from war.

The armed forces are not supported by the public, they are tolerated and that is mostly due to the propaganda machine that has the people hoodwinked into BELIEVING there is an enemy.

The soldiers are not HEROES, they are DUMB brainwashed fools who are USED by the corperate zionist led system that wants world domination.

WE THE PEOPLE need to WAKE UP......FAST.

gravitor



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 03:15 PM
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reply to post by EvanB
 


hello evanb

is it the case the services decided after budget cuts to tender out to more private
companies the responsibility of maintaining barracks and married quarters through
framework partnerships. same with catering within the supply chain. plenty of firms
wanting inclusion in the lucrative contracts?
housing no longer subsidised due to out-sourcing the responsibility to profit based
concerns.
i know two pretty messed up ptsd squaddies,they havn't beat me yet with two years
no fixed abode in past times.
welcome to the shafted club which is not just reserved for the forces. what you
do from hereon is your shout. just avoid doing bird at all costs.
f.



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by Invariance
reply to post by nightbringr
 


I admit that directing his outrage to civilians is misdirected, they have to take orders from the government who more and more seem war hungry... I can understand his anger. Then media finds fault with a lot of things they do, the media doesn't blame the government... they blame the soldiers. All over the internet, it seems easy for people to find fault with soldiers themselves. We all need to take these things up with politicians.

Sometimes it's hard to take a step back and see who the real 'bad guy' is.


All fair, but these points have been made to him time and time again on this post, and he still blames the civilians he is sworn to protect. Im sorry, when these soldiers care more about protecting the corrupt politicians and their agendas than the little guys, i have no pity.

It may sound harsh to you, but i can assure you i have the utmost respect for the armed forces and the jobs they do. I have always supported them, even if i do not agree with their current missions. This man however directs all his anger at the people he is supposed to protect, somehow blaming us for him not having a government subsidized housing? Really? If it were up to me, id put them all up in homes, its the least we can do for askign them to risk their lives.

His anger is misdirected and honestly, even a child would understand that. So again, while i have the greatest of respect for the men and women in uniform, this child does not deserve one iota of that respect.



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 03:27 PM
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Originally posted by AlonzoTyper
reply to post by EvanB
 


It is truly sad that when I returned from WWII, I arrived home greeted by hordes of gracious men & women, ticker tape parades, and all the fan fare that came with returning as a "war hero"

The brave men and women that have fought, and even paid the ultimate price, for every subsequent war have been welcomed home with protests, taunts, and an atmosphere that treats a soldier as if they were a criminal.

Anyone who has served, for better or for worse, knows that every serviceman deserves respect. What war, what president, what branch of the military, what platoon.... matters little. Even the vets who regret ever signing up, (and there are many), would likely slap a civilian in the face if they went about talking about what war is, what it means, and whether or not we should be doing it. You just dont know....

I know war and violence and guns etc... are a controversial topic that everyone loves to debate. Whatever your beliefs are, the general public needs to...nay, MUST respect your servicemen.

I wish I was younger because I would go and kick the teeth out of those who take the time out of their life to go and protest during the burial and funeral of a fallen warrior. That is truly sickening. What has this world come to?


Have YOU not realised YET that all WARS are created?????
They are created by those who PROFIT from war.

Those who fight are MUGS and dumb.

mostly those who fight and KILL know no better.
They are not SERVING their countries.
They are tools of corperate profit cowards that laugh at those killed as totally expendable dumb fools.

Nobody attacked AMERICA, it was orchestrated to fool the television zombies.

WAKE UP.

We the people beg You the forces to WAKE UP and serve the people, not the corperate system.

If You do not then YOU become the enemy of WE£ THE PEOPLE.....beware.

gravitor



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by fakedirt
reply to post by EvanB
 


hello evanb

is it the case the services decided after budget cuts to tender out to more private
companies the responsibility of maintaining barracks and married quarters through
framework partnerships. same with catering within the supply chain. plenty of firms
wanting inclusion in the lucrative contracts?
housing no longer subsidised due to out-sourcing the responsibility to profit based
concerns.
i know two pretty messed up ptsd squaddies,they havn't beat me yet with two years
no fixed abode in past times.
welcome to the shafted club which is not just reserved for the forces. what you
do from hereon is your shout. just avoid doing bird at all costs.
f.


And what about XE services....BLACKWATER???
Is it not in their profit driven interest to maintain WAR???/
Could it possibly be them that plants the road side bombs etc????
per chance???
Gravitor



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 03:33 PM
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What makes you so sure that warfighters have a choice, it is the citizens that vote in the politicians you speak of. The Marine Corps infantry makes up considerably less than 1% of the population the army combat arms makes up roughly 3% if you include the reserves we wont mention special ops we are talking about the guys on the ground do you think we can vote politicians out? It is a soldiers responsibility to serve the country and its people however it is dictated by our commanders (sorry to burst bubbles but its not a democracy in the service) who gives the commanders orders well your elected officials, who voted them in, Hmmmmm? The citizens fight to protect our soldiers sailors airmen and marines starts at the voting booth, but with all the other noise in the world and politics today I guess it is very easy to forget people are fighting killing and dying to protect your beloved politicians interests if you voted these guys into office then they are your best interests as well by default because such is the will of the people.


I just wanted to clarify with this post that soldiers do not have a choice when it comes to politics most of us even banded together couldn't vote anyone out. I dont think most people think about johnny jack and jimmy in Afghanastan when picking governing officials you may but I think the majority looks towards taxes and all the other things that they consider more important.
edit on 16-3-2012 by Brotherman because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 03:36 PM
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This entire thread has made my brain hurt. Granted, I haven't contributed a whole lot, but my attempt at reasoning and trying to get away from the negative, it seems, has been widely ignored.

I'll repeat what I said a few pages back:

I think what some people fail to realize is that you and I do fight for them. Just not in the way they think we think we do.

Most of us made the conscious choice to join the armed services. We chose to make sacrifices to be a part of the force that will protect our people. The fight that we do for them is not the fighting that is seen by them. The fight lies within the sacrifices and hardships we endure to be a part of the military and in the event that we are in fact needed to directly defend our country, we are there and ready to take the fighting for them from within ourselves and apply it to the enemy that seeks to harm them.

With that being said, I would like to let you know that the way you've gone about this is all wrong and you honestly seem to have been through some serious shizz. Take the time to get away from the internet where keyboard warriors like to come out every chance they get to be the "hero of the day" as they go on a rant about things they don't really have a full understanding of. However, those who have been there and still want to hate, well, they probably just got the short end of the stick or they couldn't grasp the concept of sacrifice.

Nobody has asked us to fight for them....this statement I just can't stop thinking about. The thing is that there are millions of people who HAVE asked us to fight. Who DO understand that we chose a job that entails fighting enemies foreign and domestic for whatever reason. You could go on and on about the military being a pawn on the board of the rich mans game, but when has a military truly never been that? All military past and present have been under the command of the rich and powerful. Kings, Queens, Dukes, Dictators, Commie Leaders, and Presidents alike. The idea that the military has recently become pawns within what ever time frame some of you put out there is just asinine to me. It's always been like that. But what you don't see is that the men and women who make up that military are far different from the ones who run it. The ideals and mindset are in no way the same. And the idea that people want us to just up and stop fighting like the world would be a more peaceful place if we weren't fighting anyone. If America was to retract all troops from the Middle East next month, do you think that would be the answer to world peace? Would no one want to blow anyone else up?

Most of us serve because we generally like what we do. The assumption that people in the military are failures in life with no options is mostly false. Yes, there are people who join up for that very reason, but from everyone that I've had the pleasure(not including the ones I've had the displeasure) of serving with had something else they could be doing making a lot more money and living happily. But instead, like me, they chose to do something they felt a need to do.

Also, why are people so afraid the military is going to suddenly be turned on them and that it's going to happen soon? How many times have I heard that in the near 5 years I've been on ATS. The "martial law" is closer than you think! BS! Common sense tells me that this is NOT something the "elite" would do for control. But that's another subject.

I'm just rambling now because I have a lot to say but my mind works faster than my hands and I tend to forget all what I was going to say...hate it when that happens.



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 03:36 PM
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Uhm, soldiers typically fight for the wants/whims of a government that works for the top 1%, essentially corporate warriors are a cut rate as compared to what private operators make, and not the general populace.

The amazing fact is that the government basically tossed them aside w/o thought because in its mind its soldiers have lives and body parts that the government can spare AND STILL MORE FOLKS enlist.

Really.

Derek



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 03:37 PM
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Obviously the rules have changed. Anyone who talks like this isn't a soldier, they're a merc or an egomaniac that has been stupidly given the training and the weapons without getting a psych profile first. Perchance are you employed by XE?

I know what it's like on a campaign putting down insurgents or being shot at and getting hit myself, but the work had risks and we all know that going into this business. Personally I did it to protect people, even people I didn't like from other people who were patently evil. When we got rude, we had good reason. We retired terrorists, you know those other guys, the bad guys, that extort through torture and fear, rape women and maim or kill soft targets like old folks, children and other civi's. Oh wait, isn't that what YOU "soldiers/merc's" do a lot of the time these days?

When I was in the "business" in the 80's we had CODE and HONOR and RESPECT and each others backs. If we didn't have that, we had nothing. Harm no one that isn't meeting you with deadly force. I still have many friends, who are old like me (and older) who were rangers, marines, CIA, special forces, MI and CI and none of them talk this crap like you. Get over yourself.

A measure of warrior is not necessarily how you deal with an "enemy" that can defend itself (although this is important), but how well you protect and treat the people who can't defend themselves.

And when it comes to your home turf, remember the constitution you have sworn to uphold.

Cheers - Dave



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 03:38 PM
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Its not just about wars, who provides more aid to places any where in the world that suffers natural disasters, who secures and stands guard and pulls 10000 corpses out of the mud in Haiti when a landslide decimates a population and then does their best to get as much aid and care to the survivors, who would stand guard at a melting down nuclear reactor and appropriate resources to aid in an effort to evacuate populations, do you know what a NEO operation is? It doesnt matter why the war if you are there but can you stand watching your buddy get sniped in the throat handing out a generator to iraqi's because we bombed them and they have no electricity? Its not always about the war, do you know we do other things too?



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 03:40 PM
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I respect and agree with everything you just said star for you



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 03:42 PM
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Dear OP,

Does someone need a hug?



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 03:42 PM
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I hope everyone reads what you wrote and thinks upon your words.



A measure of warrior is not necessarily how you deal with an "enemy" that can defend itself (although this is important), but how well you protect and treat the people who can't defend themselves.


Spoken like a true warrior with honor.

Safe journey



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 03:46 PM
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If you even are in the military and this is not just a "shill" post to fragement people even further then you are the fool that joins without a reason except to do the corporation's bidding. Hell my war at least had a lie that you could hold on to, we were stopping the "the communist menace" in Vietnam, now we trade with them and travel there like no one ever died in that war.
What are you doing ?? training these clowns to fight there civil war in a more perfict way.............great reason to kill someones 20 year old son or daughter. The war for freedom is here in the U.S. with a socialist president surrounded with more socialist and a few communist taking over what was a somewhat free country.
Whats funny is once your done with the corporations war you may have to fight one when you get home..............where ever that is.



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 03:47 PM
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Originally posted by Brotherman
reply to post by gravitor
 


Its not just about wars, who provides more aid to places any where in the world that suffers natural disasters, who secures and stands guard and pulls 10000 corpses out of the mud in Haiti when a landslide decimates a population and then does their best to get as much aid and care to the survivors, who would stand guard at a melting down nuclear reactor and appropriate resources to aid in an effort to evacuate populations, do you know what a NEO operation is? It doesnt matter why the war if you are there but can you stand watching your buddy get sniped in the throat handing out a generator to iraqi's because we bombed them and they have no electricity? Its not always about the war, do you know we do other things too?


I come from a family of service personel, and that is multi generations.
I have had it with the organised murder.
The forces should be DEFENCE based, and should instill the qualities of such , and train the forces in DEFENSE.

Your post says it all....WE BOMBED THEM....
YOU attacked them.

YOU are the TERRORISTS..
Not some poor third world Iraqi.

WAKE UP

You should be helping those facing peril and hardship, and would have 100% backing of WE THE PEOPLE.

STOP BEEN USED AS CORPERATE CANNON FODDER ....PLEASE.

WE THE PEOPLE demand it.
gravitor



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 03:47 PM
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Originally posted by Brotherman
reply to post by nightbringr
 


What makes you so sure that warfighters have a choice, it is the citizens that vote in the politicians you speak of.

Are you daft? Do the soldiers themselves not vote as well, which makes them equally as responsible for those voted in. Not the brightest bulb in the pack, are ya?

Originally posted by Brotherman
The Marine Corps infantry makes up considerably less than 1% of the population the army combat arms makes up roughly 3% if you include the reserves we wont mention special ops we are talking about the guys on the ground do you think we can vote politicians out?

And who then WOULD you vote in, since you claim to know the answers? And at the same time, you are the people most able to make the changes we civilians want. I will support a military coup if it will bring our countries back to the democracies that serve the people. Overthrow the government if your so sure its corrupt. I will back you if you do not turn to military rule.

Originally posted by Brotherman
It is a soldiers responsibility to serve the country and its people however it is dictated by our commanders (sorry to burst bubbles but its not a democracy in the service) who gives the commanders orders well your elected officials, who voted them in, Hmmmmm?

You did unless you refused to vote. Either way, your as responsible as any other voter. Nice to be able to sit on your high horse and pretend to be powerless and blame it all on the civies tho, isnt it?

Originally posted by Brotherman
The citizens fight to protect our soldiers sailors airmen and marines starts at the voting booth, but with all the other noise in the world and politics today I guess it is very easy to forget people are fighting killing and dying to protect your beloved politicians interests if you voted these guys into office then they are your best interests as well by default because such is the will of the people.

Who do you propose i vote for? Who do YOU vote for, since your so high and mighty and obviously know best? I find it amusing you think we civilians have a good choice, and one of those choices will sit well with you. Are you really so naive to think that if i vote for the "right guy", things will be magically better for you? How old ARE you?

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posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 03:47 PM
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The Majority here on ATS are anti-everything and that includes our men in women in the armed forces. I could not agree with your statements more. We Christians and most Republicans for that matter, love our country and your service to it.

It is sad that brainless Democrats and Liberals have a say in this REPUBLIC.

I for one Salute you and your brothers and sisters in arms who swore and trained to defend this once great nation. Our nation is being ruined by foreign entities from within and it starts at the top.

This nation needs a top down enema and only our troops like you can save us from them. Fight for America because most of us support you all 100 percent.



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 03:50 PM
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Originally posted by bobs_uruncle
reply to post by EvanB
 


Obviously the rules have changed. Anyone who talks like this isn't a soldier, they're a merc or an egomaniac that has been stupidly given the training and the weapons without getting a psych profile first. Perchance are you employed by XE?

I know what it's like on a campaign putting down insurgents or being shot at and getting hit myself, but the work had risks and we all know that going into this business. Personally I did it to protect people, even people I didn't like from other people who were patently evil. When we got rude, we had good reason. We retired terrorists, you know those other guys, the bad guys, that extort through torture and fear, rape women and maim or kill soft targets like old folks, children and other civi's. Oh wait, isn't that what YOU "soldiers/merc's" do a lot of the time these days?

When I was in the "business" in the 80's we had CODE and HONOR and RESPECT and each others backs. If we didn't have that, we had nothing. Harm no one that isn't meeting you with deadly force. I still have many friends, who are old like me (and older) who were rangers, marines, CIA, special forces, MI and CI and none of them talk this crap like you. Get over yourself.

A measure of warrior is not necessarily how you deal with an "enemy" that can defend itself (although this is important), but how well you protect and treat the people who can't defend themselves.

And when it comes to your home turf, remember the constitution you have sworn to uphold.

Cheers - Dave


WELL SAID...SIR.

I hope the force people protect those who cannot defend themselves, and not slaughter them in their beds???
gravitor



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 03:55 PM
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I had edited the post because i reread it and think it came out a little wrong moving on


The military enforces democracy, not coup's of our own government so overthrowing the government is out of the question because then it will be Americans on Americans because not everyone will go along with that. Now as far as voting is concerned my political views are irrelevant all I was illustrating is that democracy does not work in the services favor our numbers are very little and not everyone agrees for some ending wars means ending means to pay their bills. As far as being daft lol. I will simply say about corruption of the government yes its there but I am not so HIGH AND MIGHTY as you suggest but there is simply alot of things I don't know. I just don't know I don't have any answers but being a Marine Corps Veteran I believe I have the right to view things about the armed services as to where children can think what they want about daddies service or whatever, I will say the whole situation after 8 years left me with a bad taste in my mouth, and now I am out of the service.




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