HD video of UFO Stalking Chilean Jets Over Santiago Air Base

The OPs headline title far out weighs the video /expectations

Really disappointing video, most certainly a bug or a bird

reply to post by robhines


I dunno...maybe because of this:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Any similar types of videos with insects flying around? At 24 frames per second, it'd be interesting to see.

Originally posted by robhines
Seriously, how can some of you debunkers say that this is a bug?

There are multiple things you must take into account.

1) Motion blur. The size of the object you see in the image is not it's actual size. Because of its speed, motion blur is causing it to appear longer/bigger than it is. That white area which I assume is a sun reflection also is not the actual size of the surface that is reflecting because motion blur is causing it to appear longer/bigger than it is. It's a streak of light, which does not represent the actual size or shape of the object

2) Focus. If these objects are very close to the camera, and the camera is focused on the jets flying by, the objects are probably not in focus. Out of focus objects tend to appear round and a bit larger than they are.

3) Video compression. Depending on the type of format this video was saved as, the video compression could distort the edges of the object that blend with the sky.

There are other things...

Originally posted by seeker1977
Wow, MSNBC is weighing in on this case at the below website.

cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com...

They even mention the Above Top Secret crowd there

"For some of the denizens of the Above Top Secret online forum, the nature of the spot, or spots, was obvious: It's a bug, or bugs."

ATS now being quoted in the MSM as a way to discredit the most potentially interesting case I've come across since I came here. Thats the rock bottom folks.

This thread should be full of people demanding the evidence be provided for analysis. Give it an even break. It might be a bug and it hinges on the other videos and analysis thereof. But, what if they do stack up?

Instead we get post after post of people who don't need to evaluate evidence. The people involved must all be liars and it must be a bug. Just forget about it folks, back to the unthreatening Galactic Federation of Light rubbish...

For the average reader, if even the conspiracy nuts aren't interested why is it worth their time to give it a fair shake.

Dire.

If it was caught on multiple cameras ..

.... then it's definitely not a bug.


IMO ... It's either a blird or a UFO

Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by robhines

 

I dunno...maybe because of this:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Yeah have just gone back through the thread and saw that a bit ago. For those new to the thread, also found this :

Originally posted by Orkojoker
Here's another comment from Leslie Kean from an email sent to msn.com's science editor Alan Boyle.

"I went back to the CEFAA official re the bugs, and he said that's what they all thought at first when they got the first film (the one I posted). But when they went and got additional footage from very different vantage points which showed the same thing, they knew that was impossible. I don't think they're that stupid to claim this is a UFO if it was a bug, given that so many experts looked at it."

And one more from Boyle's article, expressing something we should probably all consider:

"Maybe we'll find out it's a bug, but I seriously doubt it," Kean told me. She said she took Bermudez and his fellow investigators at their word. "All I know is that people who know way more about photo analysis than I have ruled that out," Kean said.

And there's more images here : www.abovetopsecret.com...

Seems pretty unlikely when you put those things together.

I would be the first to say bug,
as "rods" and such are # .

But that is no bug. It's just not.

Originally posted by easynow
If it was caught on multiple cameras ..

.... then it's definitely not a bug.


IMO ... It's either a blird or a UFO

How can it be a bird though considering the camera is recording at 24 frames per second? it moves across from one side to the other in around .15 seconds. Fast bird.

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Oh yes, because there is no way that multiple cameras can all have bugs in view.

I'd like to see their synchronization of every video, and their calculations and measurements that triangulate every object in said videos, and I'd like to see the objects make the same exact movements in multiple videos to confirm that the same exact objects are filmed in multiple videos.

I'm doubting very much they did any of that. I am putting my money on the idea that all the videos show different bugs.

Originally posted by UFOGlobe
reply to post by easynow

 

Oh yes, because there is no way that multiple cameras can all have bugs in view.

I'd like to see their synchronization of every video, and their calculations and measurements that triangulate every object in said videos, and I'd like to see the objects make the same exact movements in multiple videos to confirm that the same exact objects are filmed in multiple videos.

I'm doubting very much they did any of that. I am putting my money on the idea that all the videos show different bugs.

The idea though is that the reason the bug can move so fast from one side to the other is because of its proximity to the camera lens, one camera lens. Assuming the other cameras where not stacked on top of one another, you probably couldn't get that same affect from multiple cameras.

Originally posted by Turq1
Assuming the other cameras where not stacked on top of one another, you probably couldn't get that same affect from multiple cameras.

I know...

What if bugs were flying in close proximity of the other cameras too? Why is that one camera so special as to only have bugs fly in front of it? Why can't the other cameras have bugs flying in front of it?

What I predict is that the other videos 2 - 7 will just be of different bugs, and they are incorrectly assuming they are the same bugs in video 1.

Originally posted by UFOGlobe

Originally posted by Turq1
Assuming the other cameras where not stacked on top of one another, you probably couldn't get that same affect from multiple cameras.

I know...

What if bugs were flying in close proximity of the other cameras too? Why is that one camera so special as to only have bugs fly in front of it? Why can't the other cameras have bugs flying in front of it?

What I predict is that the other videos 2 - 7 will just be of different bugs, and they are incorrectly assuming they are the same bugs in video 1.

edit on 16-3-2012 by UFOGlobe because: (no reason given)

It is a possibility but it requires the analysing people to be a little dim.

You would assume they did some analysis of the viewpoint from which it was taken, attempted to match time taken, examined the apparent trajectory and found a correlation.

I have a hard time believing that serious people mistake 7 different random bugs in 7 different videos for the same object.

Again, need the data for independent inspection before any conclusion can be drawn.

Originally posted by robhines
Seriously, how can some of you debunkers say that this is a bug?

It's just beyond belief.

Check out this video of bee's attacking an RC toy at around 1:51:
www.youtube.com...

Here is an image I captured from it:


Who would have thought that the wings of insects would reflect light at certain angles. Wow, it's just beyond belief!

( I didn't even adjust brightness, or contrast, or run any "sharpen" algorithm on the image like they did on the "UFO" image above ).

Originally posted by UFOGlobe
I'd like to see their synchronization of every video, and their calculations and measurements that triangulate every object in said videos, and I'd like to see the objects make the same exact movements in multiple videos to confirm that the same exact objects are filmed in multiple videos.

Agreed, just hoping we get that, and if we do.....well, there we have it. Of course, we've been here time and time again for decades, so we'll just have to wait and see.

And yeah I get what you mean with the bug thing, but when you look at the shape it does look good.

If the object was caught on multiple cameras, the "bug" theory just doesn't work.

It looks metallic, it appears to be flying, it's an unknown object with circular shape and reflects light.

So it's a "UFO"..

Unless it's a really small metallic bug species we haven't discovered. [/sarcasm]

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For the object to have been a bee for example, it would have to be about no closer than 10ft maybe to the camera to get the right size. Not sure what that would translate to for the distance between one side of the picture to the other, but let's say 30 ft...a bug traveling 30 ft in around .15 seconds?

Its a nice video but due to the speed there's no proper picture if it / them, due to the speed the stills couldbe camera artifacts created from the lack of data about the object.

My first thought was bugs to be honest, the only thing that makes me think is that it was seen from 7 angles, surely one angle would be much further away from the other camera so it would not have been picked up as a bug very close to the camera?

Just saying..

Who knows...

Edit: damn, missed the post two up re the angles, well at least we think alike, great minds and all that

Originally posted by easynow
If it was caught on multiple cameras ..

.... then it's definitely not a bug.


IMO ... It's either a blird or a UFO

My sentiments exactly, as a non expert.

We can dismiss "It's a Bug", just as easily as we can dismiss "It's an Alien".

What it is, is an anomaly on a piece of video......If the same anomaly is on all 7 or more videos, then it IS something.

There is no doubt it is moving fast, and probably beyond the normal perception of the people there...their minds would have been on the jets.
Yes we can often "Sense" these "Things", that is because we still have hunter and fight or flight genes and mechanisms in our biology. Possible someone did "Feel" something they werent sure of at the time.

Remember the Original Star Trek episode, with the other dimension beings who moved too fast for Humans to detect....Well??
We are the same...our "Life" and reality is 1000 times faster than for a majestic tree..eg the Redwoods, etc. some of them live 1000s of years.........1 day to them, is probably 1 minute to us.....just think about that. Same with Insects that live for a month or so.
Never say never.....or "Just a bug"

Tim Printy has some valid points in the MSNBC article linked to earlier.

1) This happened over a year ago and people are still working on analyzing this? If the evidence was truly that good, it would take a few months at best to come up with a reasonable analysis to demonstrate it was something not of this earth.

2) It is being leaked out to various UFO blogs instead of publishing in a scientific journal. If it were good evidence, that is where it would appear, and not the Huffington Post.

3) The videos are unavailable to be analyzed from outside sources. Perhaps they learned from the Mexican Air Force video debacle. Once the videos were revealed in sufficient length, many people identified the source of the images as being from oil wells in the gulf. A lot of people had egg on their face from that one. NARCAP was initially involved with that one, but then later stated they could not properly analyze the video because of the provenance being questionable or some excuse similar to that.

4) The videos have no provenance. We don't know what has been done to them since the day of the event.

Source

To me point 3 is the most important one. This is a classic red flag when it comes to UFO videos and we see it again and again. The fact that someone is hiding something is obvious. I emailed astronomer Luis Barrera yesterday about his supposed involvement in this case and I am eagerly awaiting his reply.