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What Would You Prefer? Pledge of Allegiance Or Pledge Of The Constitution?

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posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 03:25 PM
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To me The Pledge of Allegiance is fast becoming obsolete.
Wouldn't a Pledge Of The Constitution be both more relevant and more efficient?

But a pledge to a piece of cloth instead and a pledge to the nation?
See a pledge of the nation can be abstract, to some it may simply mean defend your presidents no matter how wrong they are

A Pledge of The Constitution would be way more effective and most likely people just might know their rights, responsbilitiies and freedoms way better than they currently do.

I think this is an excellent idea and was wondering what fellow ATSers thought of it

Thx
MA




posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 03:28 PM
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pledge allegiance TO the constitution?



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 03:29 PM
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How about neither? Pledging blind allegiance is NEVER a good thing. And while I do think that the constitution is far more important than the flag, I would rather have people pledging to do their best to uphold the constitution. Not their allegiance to it.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 03:32 PM
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Sounds a lot like the oath of office elected officials and the military take.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 03:35 PM
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Holy crap I just noticed this.

en.wikipedia.org...

The Pledge of Allegiance of the United States is an expression of loyalty to the federal flag and the republic of the United States of America, originally composed by Christian Socialist Francis Bellamy (1855-1931) in 1892 and formally adopted by Congress as the pledge in 1942.[1] The Pledge has been modified four times since its composition, with the most recent change adding the words "under God" in 1954.


It was written by a socialist.
edit on 14-3-2012 by thehoneycomb because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 03:35 PM
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Originally posted by Gwampo
reply to post by ModernAcademia
 


pledge allegiance TO the constitution?



i'm thinking "Of The"



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 03:38 PM
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en.wikipedia.org...


The recital was accompanied with a salute to the flag known as the Bellamy salute, described in detail by Bellamy. During World War II, the salute was replaced with a hand-over-heart gesture because the original form involved stretching the arm out towards the flag in a manner that resembled the later Nazi salute. (For a history of the pledge, see Pledge of Allegiance).
In 1954, in response to the perceived threat of secular Communism, President Eisenhower encouraged Congress to add the words "under God," creating the 31-word pledge that is recited today.[4]
Bellamy commented on his thoughts as he created the pledge, and his reasons for choosing the careful wording:
"It began as an intensive communing with salient points of our national history, from the Declaration of Independence onwards; with the makings of the Constitution... with the meaning of the Civil War; with the aspiration of the people...
"The true reason for allegiance to the Flag is the 'republic for which it stands'. ...And what does that last thing, the Republic mean? It is the concise political word for the Nation - the One Nation which the Civil War was fought to prove. To make that One Nation idea clear, we must specify that it is indivisible, as Webster and Lincoln used to repeat in their great speeches. And its future?
"Just here arose the temptation of the historic slogan of the French Revolution which meant so much to Jefferson and his friends, 'Liberty, equality, fraternity'. No, that would be too fanciful, too many thousands of years off in realization. But we as a nation do stand square on the doctrine of liberty and justice for all..."
Bellamy "viewed his Pledge as an 'inoculation' that would protect immigrants and native-born but insufficiently patriotic Americans from the 'virus' of radicalism and subversion."[5]
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posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 03:48 PM
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I pledge allegiance to the flag
of the United States of America,
and to the republic for which it stands,
one nation under God, indivisible,
with liberty and justice for all.



I think Red Skelton said it best.

In my humble opinion.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 04:00 PM
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I am old enough to have had to say the pledge every morning at school for years.
The pledge always made the class feel united. No matter what was happening with learning or childish issues, we started our day, united americans.

So from that perspective, I believe taking the pledge from schools has been a detriment. Our children do not feel any unity with one another. Nothing makes them feel apart of a greater whole.
That feeling promotes the isolation and loneliness that the school shooters feel when they are killing the other children.
Simplistic... yes. But maybe accurate.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 04:11 PM
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I will agree with you and caution you that not all men are created equally.
I think Red may have been a cut above, as he was from a different era, an era of strong men, less confusion.
But I can stand by Red's statement on the issue.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 04:14 PM
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Originally posted by g146541
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I will agree with you and caution you that not all men are created equally.
I think Red may have been a cut above, as he was from a different era, an era of strong men, less confusion.
But I can stand by Red's statement on the issue.


A different era to be sure. But not just strong men, there was strong conviction. Strong faith.

On the subject of being created equal. We re all created equal. We all have equal oppourtunity. Just not equal outcome.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 04:16 PM
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Originally posted by thehoneycomb
Holy crap I just noticed this.

en.wikipedia.org...

The Pledge of Allegiance of the United States is an expression of loyalty to the federal flag and the republic of the United States of America, originally composed by Christian Socialist Francis Bellamy (1855-1931) in 1892 and formally adopted by Congress as the pledge in 1942.[1] The Pledge has been modified four times since its composition, with the most recent change adding the words "under God" in 1954.


It was written by a socialist.
edit on 14-3-2012 by thehoneycomb because: (no reason given)


It was written by a socialist?!


That means...that means...what does that mean?


Anyhow. I would vote yes for pledging to the Constitution. I feel a surge of disgrace when I pledge to the flag because I know we do not stand for liberty or justice for ALL. And the "Under god" part is like the glitter on the gold. I don't pledge at school either. The most messed up part about that though is when we don't pledge, our teacher says

'Thank you all of you that pledged, clearly some of you don't care about our country'

and if we try to defend ourselves he says

'What? We have troops that are fighting over seas can't you at least pledge for them?'

It pisses me off.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 06:31 PM
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They are both one in the same since this nation was founded as a Constitutional Republic I would have to agree the pledge of alliegance has became obsolete for the simple fact they teach that this is a Democracy which is nothing but mob rule.

The Pledge of Alliegance only reaffirms what was written in the Constitution.

Like it says

I pledge Alleigence to the flag of the united states.

Meaning this country and all the principles it was founded on the flag is the biggest symbol of what it means the colors of the flag

Red Hardiness and valor
White Purity and innocence
Blue Vigilance,Perseverance and Justice

And to the Republic for which it stands

where no voice,no person rights are any more important than anyone elses be it someone who shines shoes to the "elites".

one nation under God

Where all our rights come from they don't come from Government.

One nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all

Meaning no hypened Americans there are no rich no poor no right no left no person is above any other equal thought equal representation.



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 07:14 PM
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nice to see this post, i was just reminiscing the other day about how i seem to know the pledge of allegiance by heart... still. for one, i don't think our kids should be brainwashed into memorizing the pledge of allegiance at school. ever. for two, i think we need to put an emphasis on "with liberty and justice for all" . for three i would much prefer a pledge of allegiance to the constitution since it is an affirmation of our inalienable rights. and lastly, it really should not be taught in school, it should be reserved to meetings and functions pertaining to our so called citizen government



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 07:33 PM
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The Pledge of Allegiance was removed along with functional education in order to make us all good workers and only the intelligent ones will ascend in society,at least that was their theory.Purpose based education.You don't need all that history and social studies.Who needs math but to make change( and some can't even do that)
In the 50's a teacher recalled teaching Latin to grade school children.
Now you have buttons to push.All the answers without thought.Good with vid games bad for life.



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