Proof shredded – Nick Pope claims of Calvine UK UFO incident;

Now first before anyone gets their underwear in a twist i know that Nick Pope has over the years came in for a certain amount of criticism due to some of his comments regarding certain UFO articles that have been covered in the Sun news paper ;Now i have read his book "Open Skies Closed Minds", a book that covered his years as a UFO investigator for the British MOD and his subsequent UFO cases he dealt with but i am sure that the genuine photo showing this object and a military jet in the same location was once released by a British news paper but i cannot find it, anyone have this photo, would appreciate it if someone who has it could kindly post it,cheers in advance;Anyway back to the reason i started this thread,if this object was NOT a secret black opp; craft and after all avenues where exhausted by the British MOD then are we left with one other explanation of a possible genuine off world craft displaying advanced technological capabilities, is this possibility justified, think it has to be kept open my self.

THE government’s former senior UFO investigator has revealed how the most compelling evidence for extra-terrestrial life he had ever seen was shredded by the Ministry of Defence (MoD). Nick Pope, who worked for the MoD for 21 years, said the photograph appeared to show a “metallic” spacecraft, 25 metres in diameter, in the sky over the village of Calvine, near Pitlochry in Perthshire. Military jets in the background may have been escorting or pursuing the UFO. Mr Pope, who ran the government’s UFO project from 1991 to 1994, said the photograph was removed from his office before “mysteriously” disappearing. He said that when he challenged officials about its whereabouts, they claimed they had no record of it


. The Calvine incident occurred on 4 August 1990 when two men saw a large diamond-shaped object hovering for about ten minutes – during which time military aircraft made a number of low-level passes – before it shot upwards at great speed. One of the men took six colour photographs of the daytime incident. In 2009, declassified state files revealed how the government briefed ministers and launched a top-level investigation into the incident. “There was a photograph taken at Calvine, and this was easily the most compelling UFO photo I’ve ever seen in my life,” Mr Pope said. “It went to the technical specialists at the Defence Intelligence Staff and elsewhere. Their results of the analysis were that this was the real thing – it wasn’t a faked photo.

Now the interesting postscript to this story is that I actually had a copy of this. It was one of the things blown up on my office wall when I was at the UFO project. “One day the head of division took it down and locked it in a drawer because he didn’t think we should be displaying something like that.” Mr Pope said when the MoD released its UFO files, the photos and the copies that had been on his wall had disappeared.

source link; www.scotsman.com...

I like Nick Pope.

He worked for the MoD an awfully long time, and he left them, which is an important fact I think.

he was tired of all this suppressed information, and joined the disclosure team.

Some things Nick says are ok ....but my mind ends up counting what he says has possible misinformation.

People (Nick Pope) who support the 9/11 Original Story just don't sit well with me......

He lost all credibility the second he gave credence to the 9/11 OS.

I see Pope as a flip-flopper, I remember when he started blabbing on the tv and radio back in the late 90's, he was back then, die hard on the fact that he has not seen any extraordinary evidence of anything, just listen to his earlier interviews with Art Bell, now, it seems because his name has been out there in association with UFOs, he seems to have given a different twist to the ordinary sighting reports he previously claimed were not proof of anything, he is being paid to lecture at UFO conferences, this is why his tone has changed, because there is money involved, and a following that didn't exist on the other aisle.

I still wont judge him as we don't know the circumstances.

So what if he believes 9/11 was OS, many people do, just because they believe in UFOs doesn't mean they believe in every conspiracy.

And we don't know why he said that back then, maybe that's what he truly believed, or maybe he was nervous or apprehensive about discussing it.

See....reasonable explanation.

reply to post by Razimus


Everyone's a critic. Oh gawd, there isn't a single researcher spared by the 'critics'. He may have had inaccuracies, he may have used some other photo, so fcking what? He's contributed a lot to the research and some UFO cases.

Really no one would remain without being called a disinformer, liar or whatever other crap, wow just wow.

Boo hoo doublepost. It's usually the bashers that are the wannabes who fail to do one piece of research right and start doing some pseudo-debunk on people. I understand there could be people doing it for money but wow, everyone, every single one being called the same names, one would say only you all here are the perfect ones. Gtfo

reply to post by Razimus


Yes! Odd how over the years when this useless attention seeking whore actually gets attention he "comes out" with more and more tidbits.....just enough to keep the gullible folks who make the rest of us look like idiots interested I guess.

He should be ashamed of himself,, but even worse I'm ashamed for the amount of people who can't see this twit for what he is....that is the real problem. If we were not so collectively ignorant, desperate for any tidbit of information people like Nick Pope wouldn't be able to capitalize on it. Sad.

Originally posted by Imtor
reply to post by Razimus

 

Everyone's a critic. Oh gawd, there isn't a single researcher spared by the 'critics'. He may have had inaccuracies, he may have used some other photo, so fcking what? He's contributed a lot to the research and some UFO cases.

Really no one would remain without being called a disinformer, liar or whatever other crap, wow just wow.

Read what I wrote lmtor, I never called him a "disinformer", that's something a paranoid conspiracy nut would say, and not being one, I would never say that, because you are too lazy to re-read what I wrote I will give you the jist. Pope didn't believe in UFOs, he admitted he saw no evidence proving anything extraordinary, years go by, he changes his story for entertainment purposes, so he can earn more money, period. Not for disinfo purposes, for money making purposes. Because you won't listen to the old Art Bell episodes or don't have access to them I can't expect you to know what he talked about in the late 90's, but it's clearly a different tune.

Originally posted by K-PAX-PROT
Now first before anyone gets their underwear in a twist i know that Nick Pope has over the years came in for a certain amount of criticism due to some of his comments regarding certain UFO articles that have been covered in the Sun news paper ;
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Pope has come in for a lot of criticism due to the gullible that put him on a pedestal because of his former position as if he had any special knowledge about UFOs and aliens. He never did. He was privvy to a lot of reports much as the head of MUFON but the position doesn't include special knowledge that no one has.

Same for Nick Redfern. Same for ALL UFO authors. When they get too big for their britches, some disillusioned souls admit "defeat". Pope? A nobody in real life terms.

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Well look around you, look at threads around you, everyone's a liar, disinformer or whatever else. Not you saying it, someone else would, then. If he's doing it all foe entertainment, how come some cases are not entertainment at all? Maybe he became serious afterall? Because the cases are serious themselves?

Funny random guys hiding behind an internet and some random forum it's very easy to call people names and criticize them like that, let's see your material, your research, your appearance on the TV with your evidence. Where is it?

At least when don't have the time to do a real research, not google this google that, keep ypur criticques to yourself, because it is pathetic. All I see here is everyone is called names by someone who doesn't even do anything on the topic, ATS is losing quality by the day from BOTH sides, either some silly videos or 'critics' so I dont think I will stay much longer. It's a waste of time.

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Well i would not go as far as labelling ALL UFO authors or investigators as just failures.Tim Good has done outstanding work and research in the above top secret/need to know field of this subject;Same goes for the late Dr James E. MacDonald, a senior atmospheric physicist who study hundreds of USAF "project "blue book" UFO reports, interviewed hundreds of witnesses and came to the conclusions using his scientific know how that may of "blue books" UFO reports and the finale conclusions of their origins where wrong and where a deliberate "force fit" debunking agenda by the authorities at that time.Dr MacDonald was a very respected individual and academic and he gave a very precious and important contribution to getting at those cases that after scientific investigation ect remain genuine unknowns.His scientific paper on what he perceived to be "20 Years of inadequate scientific investigation in to the investigation of UFOs" is very much food for thought and a real eye opener;

If the USAF in those days felt it necessary to come up with deliberate "force fit debunking" explanation for the UFOs they investigated and the perceptions they where trying to fool onto the scientific world then they by default are guilty of gross mismanagement of their positions of power and set the tone for a scientific rejection of any serious study of the UFO subject;Surely the latter is denying what could have and might still be the greatest scientific discovery of our time, that we have never been alone and where and possibly still are under a SURVEILLANCE agenda with minimal contact from a certain section of possible off world intelligences;So no i do not feel that to label "ALL" for the sake of some is justifiable if one goes deep down the rabbit hole of this UFO enigma.

reply to post by K-PAX-PROT


The photo was discussed about 2 years ago. According to the article that was the basis for that discussion The Scottish Daily Record had a copy of the photograph. I emailed them then but they never got back to me.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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Cheers for the reply, yes ,i wonder why they are ignoring your request , what if a posse of people e-mailed them asking for some answers, maybe they would reply out of a wee bit pressure;

reply to post by K-PAX-PROT


Hi guys

I heard this interview on radio Scotland today.

It was fascinating. I had previously thought he was a bit of a buffoon, but he came across really well.

You can access the radio show via this link.

Really enjoyed it.


www.bbc.co.uk...

Originally posted by Imtor
reply to post by Razimus

 

Everyone's a critic. Oh gawd, there isn't a single researcher spared by the 'critics'. He may have had inaccuracies, he may have used some other photo, so fcking what? He's contributed a lot to the research and some UFO cases.

Really no one would remain without being called a disinformer, liar or whatever other crap, wow just wow.

You make a good point. Every UFO researcher comes under attack at one point or another, and they all have some inaccuracies. No one can be totally accurate on the subject or their would be no question about the subject.
I don't think he's a flip flopper. In the past, Pope was a skeptic, and after years of research and studying, found evidence that changed his mind. I'm sure alot of people are like that. It takes an experience to change a mind.
IMHO
The MOD is in the same boat as our own government. They don't want anything "concrete" getting out and maybe that's why Nick Pope and the MOD parted ways.

TXML

I'm a staunch skeptic when it comes to alien visitation to earth. But, despite this guy's reputation, I would really *really* like to see this photograph. If he is that convinced, and if that photo exists, then I don't care who he is. A compelling photo is a compelling photo.

There are at least two existing thread about this incident where you can find illustration and reconstitution of the original photo.

Photograph Shows Diamond UFO Next To RAF Jet!
British Ministry of Defense reports huge diamond shaped object over Scotland.,

The MoD files that contain documents relating to this case have been released and are available at the National Archives: from the DEFE 31/180/1; pages 37-38:





DEFE 31/179/1 pages 157-8:





...and the reconstruction:

The problem with Nick is that he's glorified his position from a clerk to Chief UFO investigator which he wasn't, his brief wasn't to investigate but catalogue. All his talk is based upon what he saw pass on his desk while doing his clerk duties.

When he left he jumped on the paid expert bandwagon and if you listen to him he really doesn't have much to say, initially he just repeated the same blab at every meeting and then he started to learn the trade of the paid expert by dropping in stuff that he could never prove which oddly he had NEVER mentioned before.

I'm sorry, Nick has no cred in my book, well actually his book that he likes to hike...

Nick has openly said he's never seen anything that made him sure there were UFO's, this was said while he was in office, after he came out suddenly he had lots of tales to tell. Like it or not, Nick isn't a credible source of anything but nice tales for the PAYING audience.

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He's done actual research, he probably doesn't make certain out of all that he investigated is a UFO - this is good mark as he doesn't let blind belief take over his mind, on the other hand he's a believer more than me. So he's using it for money, therefore it is a tale? Are NASA scientists fake too because they make money out of what they do? Same story, doesn't mean he isnt doing real contribution to the topic.