Time to ban the Burqa?

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posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 03:49 PM
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In this day and age, I don't think that people should be able to go around wearing a mask.

If you feel that you need to wear a mask while out in public, move to a country that supports your view of the world.

Don't try to force your world view on others.




posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 03:51 PM
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Someone's clothes is forcing a world view on you? Sensitive much? I would recommend not leaving the house.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 03:51 PM
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When you sacrifice freedom for security, you deserve neither.

-(Ben Franklin?)

Just a reminder, folks.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 03:54 PM
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Originally posted by DavidWillts
We are not talking about what happens in Saudi, we are talking about a ban on clothing in the UK.


Canada follows in France's footsteps with burqa ban at citizenship swearing in


New Canadian citizens must remove any face coverings, such as the Islamic niqab or burqa, while they take the oath of citizenship, the country's immigration minister said today.

Jason Kenney said most Canadians find the practice of reciting the oath behind a veil disturbing and said new Canadians should take it in view of their fellow citizens.

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...



Originally posted by DavidWillts
I can find 100s of cases of masked men robbing places with masks that would be legal. That does not mean we should ban masks.


When I see a man in mask, then it is either halloween or he is a bank robber.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 03:59 PM
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Originally posted by DavidWillts
Someone's clothes is forcing a world view on you? Sensitive much? I would recommend not leaving the house.


I like to see peoples' faces. It is Western culture.

Islamic culture involves covering women from head to toe in a black sheet.

I know which culture I prefer.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 04:00 PM
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But what about hockey masks?


Your entire argument is some fake concern about "safety" and you wanting to see someone's face when in reality your real problem is with Muslims.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 04:05 PM
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This chap is clearly a robber. The mask is a dead give away.


Originally posted by DavidWillts
Your entire argument is some fake concern about "safety" and you wanting to see someone's face when in reality your real problem is with Muslims.


Muslim/Arabic culture (the burqa isn't in the Koran) doesn't give Muslim men the right to force women to wear a burqa.

Certainly not in Europe.

Being a Muslim doesn't give Muslims the right to not respect Western culture.

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posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 04:15 PM
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Muslim/Arabic culture (the burqa isn't in the Koran) doesn't give Muslim men the right to force women to wear a burqa.


Like i said, if your problem is that then why not try to get forcing people to wear masks illegal? You assume that ALL of them are being forced when that is not true at all.



Being a Muslim doesn't give Muslims the right to not respect Western culture.


Respect? Please...
Muslims are not running around the UK forcing white women to wear burqas in public.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by DavidWillts
Respect? Please...
Muslims are not running around the UK forcing white women to wear burqas in public.


But a number are forcing Muslim women to wear burqas.


Survey on what British Muslim students believe.
• 59% felt it was important that women wear the hijab but only 31% felt a women should be forced to wear one.

• 40% felt than men and women should not be allowed to associate freely together, while 12% were not sure.

today.yougov.co.uk...


So reading between the lines, it would appear that support for the burqa is very low amongst Western muslims.

Yet here you are, defending the right of a small minority of Muslim men to force their women to wear a burqa.

All in the name of freedom!

Yet, the burqa isn't even in the Koran.

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posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 04:24 PM
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Originally posted by DavidWillts
Respect? Please...
Muslims are not running around the UK forcing white women to wear burqas in public.


Yes, I understand that a small minority of Muslims beleive that being a Muslim means they don't have to respect Western culture, but that doesn't make it right.

When in Rome...



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 04:26 PM
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So reading between the lines,

You mean reading stuff that is not there?



it would appear that support for the burqa is very low amongst Western muslims.


???? Is this KKK and BNP math hour?


59% felt it was important that women wear the hijab
31% felt a women should be forced to wear one

That is a total of 90% in support of it, and more importiantly a hijab is NOT a burqa...
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posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by DavidWillts
Respect? Please...
Muslims are not running around the UK forcing white women to wear burqas in public.


Yes, I understand that a small minority of Muslims beleive that being a Muslim means they don't have to respect Western culture, but that doesn't make it right.

When in Rome...


Do you even know what respect means? Wearing a burqa is in no way disrespecting western culture any more than muslims not eating pork.
What about the white kids at all the occupy protests? They are actively protesting western culture and capitalism and many of them are wearing masks, should they all be banned also?



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 04:33 PM
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Originally posted by DavidWillts
???? Is this KKK and BNP math hour?


59% felt it was important that women wear the hijab
31% felt a women should be forced to wear one

That is a total of 90% in support of it


Errr... No, your reading comprehension is a bit off. Would you find it easier if it was written in Arabic?

You work it out.


Originally posted by DavidWillts
You assume that ALL of them are being forced when that is not true at all


So you concede that some Muslim women are being forced to wear a burqa.

If the support is only 59% for the hijab and only 31% feel that women should be forced to wear a hijab, it is logical to assume that support for wearing a burqa is lower and support for forcing a women to wear a burqa is even lower.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 04:36 PM
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1. a hijab is not a burqa
2. 59 percent felt the hijab is important (that means they support it)
3. 31 percent feel that women should be forced to wear it (that means they support it too)
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59
+31
90



it is logical to assume that support for wearing a burqa is lower and support for forcing a women to wear a burqa is even lower.

Now you are just making stuff up to cover up the fact that you thought a hijab and a burqa were the same thing.
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posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 04:36 PM
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So you are arguing that Muslim women should be forced to wear a burqa on the grounds of personal freedom?


NO! I am saying that we should allow personal freedoms/religious freedoms to trump the fear of uniformed individuals!

Robbers wear pantyhose over their heads, should we ban pantyhose?

Robbers hide their guns in jeans, should we ban jeans?

Robbers steal things with their hands, should we cut off hands at birth?

That's pretty ridiculous isn't it? Well that's the road it will go down once we allow personal freedom to be overtaken by fear! Sure...a criminal or two may use a burka to commit a crime. Does that mean we have to ban them all because you are scared?

Grow a pair of balls and live life before issues like this give way to tyranny!



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 04:39 PM
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No, it's time to ban religeon. There was a time when it came in handy, but in these modern times it is not needed.

The morons who still need religeon should be fenced into a single country and put on reality tv.


 
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posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 04:40 PM
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Originally posted by DavidWillts
Do you even know what respect means? Wearing a burqa is in no way disrespecting western culture any more than muslims not eating pork.


Is this Muslim radical hour?

Many Western people find Muslim women wearing a burqa in Europe offensive. So much so that it has been banned in a number of countries.

Many Saudi men find Western women wearing mini skirts in Saudi offensive. So much so that the religious police will enforce their notion of decency.

Respect?

It's not a one way street, as much as a small minority of Muslims would like to think so.

Try representing the majority of Muslims who respect Western culture, instead of representing the radicals who are sure that Arabic culture is superior, yet choose to live in the West.



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 04:46 PM
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Originally posted by sheepslayer247
Robbers steal things with their hands, should we cut off hands at birth?


Muslim Sharia law prescribes that thieves should get their hand cut off.

Is that what you mean about growing a pair?

If not, are you merely selectively choosing the bits of Islamic culture you like?

If you are allowed to do that, why not me?



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by DavidWillts
reply to post by ollncasino
 


1. a hijab is not a burqa
2. 59 percent felt the hijab is important (that means they support it)
3. 31 percent feel that women should be forced to wear it (that means they support it too)
4.
59
+31
90


Seriously?

The 31% were part of the 59%.

Try reading the report. We can all make a mistakes and you have.

today.yougov.co.uk...



posted on Mar, 14 2012 @ 04:54 PM
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Interesting thread, because here in the uk we have "Hoodies" and they have since started to ban people wearing them in certain places.

And some people automatically see people like that as trouble makers, which is a mis conception of course, as i have hooded tops, and sometimes, if its raining etc, i put it up, and its amazing how peoples demeanour changes towards you once you raise that dreaded hood lol.

But they could never ban these completely, thug or not, its a human right to wear what you pretty much like, why is it different for Muslims?

What i mean is, yes some hooded people are up to trouble, and yes some muslims are out to do nasty things rooted from their fundamentalist religious views, but not all.

If you ban the burqa for the reasons people are saying we should, then you would have to ban pretty much anything that covers your face, which would border on slightly stupid if just minding your own business walking down the street.
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