It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

Donald trumps Sons hunting photos

page: 14
22
<< 11  12  13    15  16 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 12:52 PM
link   

Originally posted by joejj

The balance you talk about, I don't see that with the human population. When will that come into play?


All day, every day. When we get out of balance, nature culls a bunch of us out. To avoid nature having to do it, we check ourselves through wars. Ever hear the word "pandemic"? that's natures way of saying "Ya'll are getting too numerous and bunching up too much".



Something to think about next time someone kills another Elephant, who are not predators for humans. Of which is the whole point of this discussion, since person in question is in a photo holding up the tail of a slaughtered elephant with the knife he cut the tail off with.


Deer, as I discussed at length in the post you quoted, are not normally predatory on humans, either. They have killed humans, as have elephants, but that is not their normal MO. Simply not killing humans will keep no population in check. Culling keeps populations in check. that's why safaris are licensed - so that the populations are not over-culled or under-culled. if it happens in a any year that not enough hunts are sold to maintain the population size, professional hunters are called in and paid by the State to cull the herds. Either way, the animals are killed. Kill them and waste them, taking money for maintenance FROM the State, or kill them and donate them to locals for food, and give money TO the State for other maintenance purposes? Which way do you prefer it?

I'm not sure of the point you're trying to make about cutting the elephant's tail off - did you expect the villagers to eat the damned thing whole? Would you at least allow them to use salt in that endeavor?


edit on 2012/3/16 by nenothtu because: (no reason given)




posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 12:59 PM
link   

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by joejj
 


For some people sure. Some preachy people, talk down to others, acting like they are high and mighty because they don't eat meat. Life lives off of life, that is how it goes. If you choose not to hunt and or eat meat, that is your choice, doesn't make you a better person.


What gets me is that these preachy vegetarians think they are magically somehow NOT taking life to live.

Just because that plant is not warm, fuzzy, and purring doesn't mean it's not alive. ANYTHING one eats will either be killed first, or killed in the process of eating it.

What about the rights of those poor, defenseless plants? That's right - defenseless - they can't run away like animals can. that would make the crime, if it were criminal at all to kill, more heinous and cowardly in my book.

I tell, ya, it's enough to make ya turn full carnivore!



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 01:03 PM
link   

Originally posted by nenothtu
So rather than culling them and keeping populations at sustainable levels, you would prefer destroying habitat in favor of farming ans watch them starve to death? Yeah. that's a great plan. Very humane.
What about when the animals start starving and destroy the crops for human use by eating them? What have you got planned for that conflict? Wholesale slaughter? that's what you need to plan on, because that will be what happens, wither at the hands of the farmers killing them, or of Mother Nature starving them.



Yeah - - why don't some people get this. There is a balance.

Humans have taken over most of the world by over populating their species. We can not live in natural harmony. Wild animals need man to protect them from man. They also need a lot of money to do that.

Do-Gooder Flag Wavers - - - really piss me off with their self righteous idealism - - - that is completely blind to the Reality of the situation.

I bet they don't know that Ted Nugent has one of the largest animal reserves in America. Yes he hunts. Yes he sells hunting packages. But who wants an unhealthy animal.

Tunnel vision is dangerous.


edit on 16-3-2012 by Annee because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 01:04 PM
link   

Originally posted by HandyDandy

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by joejj
 


We are top of the food chain, no matter what we eat, we are eating lower food chain foods.....


Not to split hairs again but what about sharks, tigers, lions, crocodiles, etc, etc.? They eat plenty of humans each year. Are they still lower on the food chain than we are?

I think the poster has a point of not eating predators. Animals who eat other animals who eat meat are more prone to prion diseases I hear.


Although they eat plenty of humans each year , we can easily take them all out if we wanted to. As a matter of fact we have to make laws to make sure that we don't make them instinct .

Now if Aliens come down to earth then maybe we will be lowered on the food chain. Hopefully, the Donalds aren't part Aliens and have there family come visit and hunt us for the fun of killing.



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 01:06 PM
link   

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by joejj
 


For some people sure. Some preachy people, talk down to others, acting like they are high and mighty because they don't eat meat. Life lives off of life, that is how it goes. If you choose not to hunt and or eat meat, that is your choice, doesn't make you a better person.


What gets me is that these preachy vegetarians think they are magically somehow NOT taking life to live.

Just because that plant is not warm, fuzzy, and purring doesn't mean it's not alive. ANYTHING one eats will either be killed first, or killed in the process of eating it.


They're probably aborting thousands of baby plants.

By picking year 'round - - - with no concern of propagating the species.



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 01:08 PM
link   

Originally posted by joejj

Of course life lives off life. But eating lower on the food chain is the most ethical way to live on Earth bottom line.


What does location on the food chain have to do with any thing? It's a simple question - is what you eat living or had been alive, or has it always been inert?

If eating only "lower positions on the food chain" makes one ethical, then you should live on plankton, algae, and bacteria. Anything else is lacking "ethics", by your definition. If you eat above that on the food chain, then you're in at least for a penny in the unethical department. In for a penny, in for a pound. Eat what you will.



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 01:14 PM
link   

Originally posted by Annee

They're probably aborting thousands of baby plants.

By picking year 'round - - - with no concern of propagating the species.


I hear they eat stuff like PEAS and CORN (EEW!)... those ARE baby plants, cut short at the beginning of life, deprived of the right to live, love, and find fulfillment by evil vegetarians.

I understand that something like 30,000 species of plants go extinct every year, hounded to oblivion by the nasty motile life forms on this evil planet.

Oh, the HORROR of it all!

As a side note, Annee, I find it to be somewhat disconcerting to find myself on the same side of a debate with you. Will wonders never cease?



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 01:17 PM
link   

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by joejj
And consuming meat is not an essential factor for anyone's health;


Speak for yourself.

I have a blood sugar issue that only regulates when I eat beef. Why? I don't know.

I've tried for 40 years to get off the "red meat". But - I'm not fond of the Bi-Polar episodes when I don't keep it regulated (without meds - diet only).

I do have it down to every 3 days.


"I don't know" Not a very wise answer when talking about one's own health When you find out the answer please get back to me.



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 01:17 PM
link   
reply to post by Annee
 


I eat sprouts, I am so ashamed now



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 01:19 PM
link   

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Annee
 


I eat sprouts, I am so ashamed now


LOL - - shhhhhhhhhhhhh - - me too



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 01:19 PM
link   

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by joejj

Of course life lives off life. But eating lower on the food chain is the most ethical way to live on Earth bottom line.


What does location on the food chain have to do with any thing? It's a simple question - is what you eat living or had been alive, or has it always been inert?

If eating only "lower positions on the food chain" makes one ethical, then you should live on plankton, algae, and bacteria. Anything else is lacking "ethics", by your definition. If you eat above that on the food chain, then you're in at least for a penny in the unethical department. In for a penny, in for a pound. Eat what you will.




Of course you can eat what you will; If you want to eat healthy, you eat a plant-based, whole-foods diet.
If you want to talk about ethics, if you don't know the difference between a vegetable and a live animal, you may have an issue, or ignorance.



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 01:20 PM
link   

Originally posted by joejj


Ha, ha, ha thanks for giving me a laugh. And completely missing the point of what I was saying. I'm using it as an example, not pining away for the past. Do you wish slavery still existed? Not me. That's why I'm talking about the present time.
"DENY IGNORANCE" as the header of this site states.


The laws of 150 years ago are not "the present time"

"DENY IGNORANCE" as the header of this site states.



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 01:21 PM
link   

Originally posted by joejj

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by joejj
And consuming meat is not an essential factor for anyone's health;


Speak for yourself.

I have a blood sugar issue that only regulates when I eat beef. Why? I don't know.

I've tried for 40 years to get off the "red meat". But - I'm not fond of the Bi-Polar episodes when I don't keep it regulated (without meds - diet only).

I do have it down to every 3 days.


"I don't know" Not a very wise answer when talking about one's own health When you find out the answer please get back to me.


WHAT?

What do you mean it is not a wise answer. What an ignorant response.

I did not have to put that in there - - the "I don't know why" comment.

Of my entire post - - - that is what you "cherry picked"? Get a grip.



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 01:24 PM
link   

Originally posted by nenothtu

As a side note, Annee, I find it to be somewhat disconcerting to find myself on the same side of a debate with you. Will wonders never cease?




I try to stay in Logic and Reality.

Sometimes it just depends on which side of the fence that falls.



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 01:25 PM
link   

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by joejj
 


For some people sure. Some preachy people, talk down to others, acting like they are high and mighty because they don't eat meat. Life lives off of life, that is how it goes. If you choose not to hunt and or eat meat, that is your choice, doesn't make you a better person.


What gets me is that these preachy vegetarians think they are magically somehow NOT taking life to live.

Just because that plant is not warm, fuzzy, and purring doesn't mean it's not alive. ANYTHING one eats will either be killed first, or killed in the process of eating it.

What about the rights of those poor, defenseless plants? That's right - defenseless - they can't run away like animals can. that would make the crime, if it were criminal at all to kill, more heinous and cowardly in my book.

I tell, ya, it's enough to make ya turn full carnivore!



No one
Yes, I'm a breatharian. :-) If you can't see the difference between vegetation and an animal, you may have a serious perception issue.
If you want to have a rational discussion, all you have to do is look at the basics of how the human body is designed, how it can adapt so certain food, but never evolved to eating meat. Why are you taking things so personally? I'm stating facts. Look into it yourself.
Deny Ignorance.



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 01:30 PM
link   

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by joejj

The balance you talk about, I don't see that with the human population. When will that come into play?


All day, every day. When we get out of balance, nature culls a bunch of us out. To avid nature having to do it, we check ourselves through wars.



Something to think about next time someone kills another Elephant, who are not predators for humans. Of which is the whole point of this discussion, since person in question is in a photo holding up the tail of a slaughtered elephant with the knife he cut the tail off with.


Deer, as I discussed at length in the post you quoted, are not normally predatory on humans, either. They have killed humans, as have elephants, but that is not their normal MO. Simply not killing humans will keep no population in check. Culling keeps populations in check. that's why safaris are licensed - so that the populations are not over-culled or under-culled. if it happens in a any year that not enough hunts are sold to maintain the population size, professional hunters are called in and paid by the State to cull the herds. Either way, the animals are killed. Kill them and waste them, taking money for maintenance FROM the State, or kill them and donate them to locals for food, and give money TO the State for other maintenance purposes? Which way do you prefer it?

I'm not sure of the point you're trying to make about cutting the elephant's tail off - did you expect the villagers to eat the damned thing whole? Would you at least allow them to use salt in that endeavor?



Salt is unhealthy. :-) Culling is not the answer, nor is "killing" by humans (Murdering, depending on how you look at other animal species)
Humans check ourselves through wars? Wow. Now why we invaded Iraq makes sense. :-) That may be the most absurd statement ever.



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 01:31 PM
link   

Originally posted by Annee

They do tend to look different. Kind of passive and pasty.



When I was in high school, I met my first vegetarian during a summer attending a college. poor thing was pasty and listless. I caught her eating chicken one day. the illusion was shattered for me, even though she claimed chicken and fish were "allowable" for vegetarians. I dunno, maybe they're just more selective carnivores, and just won't kill and eat anything that once was fuzzy and purred - all else seems fair game.



And they still have to take supplements to prevent health issues that arise from lack of protein.

It can be done - - but there is a lot to it - - other then just not eating meat.


AHA! A plot hatched, promoted, and masterminded by Big Pharma! I KNEW there had to be a conspiracy in here somewhere! I wonder what else they are slipping into those "supplements" to make the population more docile and tractable?



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 01:34 PM
link   

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by joejj

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by joejj
And consuming meat is not an essential factor for anyone's health;


Speak for yourself.

I have a blood sugar issue that only regulates when I eat beef. Why? I don't know.

I've tried for 40 years to get off the "red meat". But - I'm not fond of the Bi-Polar episodes when I don't keep it regulated (without meds - diet only).

I do have it down to every 3 days.





"I don't know" Not a very wise answer when talking about one's own health When you find out the answer please get back to me.


WHAT?

What do you mean it is not a wise answer. What an ignorant response.

I did not have to put that in there - - the "I don't know why" comment.

Of my entire post - - - that is what you "cherry picked"? Get a grip.



There is nothing ignorant about you looking into why you need to consume something for your health that is obviously unhealthy. Pulling the entire reply quote is not "cherry picking", just responding. I have a good grip, thank you.



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 01:39 PM
link   

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Annee
 


I eat sprouts, I am so ashamed now



The young ones of any species ARE more tender and palatable, aren't they?

Eew, I think I'm going to be ill - quick someone get my veal IV....



posted on Mar, 16 2012 @ 01:43 PM
link   

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by Annee

They do tend to look different. Kind of passive and pasty.



When I was in high school, I met my first vegetarian during a summer attending a college. poor thing was pasty and listless. I caught her eating chicken one day. the illusion was shattered for me, even though she claimed chicken and fish were "allowable" for vegetarians. I dunno, maybe they're just more selective carnivores, and just won't kill and eat anything that once was fuzzy and purred - all else seems fair game.



And they still have to take supplements to prevent health issues that arise from lack of protein.

It can be done - - but there is a lot to it - - other then just not eating meat.


AHA! A plot hatched, promoted, and masterminded by Big Pharma! I KNEW there had to be a conspiracy in here somewhere! I wonder what else they are slipping into those "supplements" to make the population more docile and tractable?






I can bet I have a better skin tone, better muscle tone, no gut and will run circles around you in any athletic endeavor. I'm a lot older than 30, and haven't eaten animal flesh in over 15 years. Please don't go into the physical characteristics of comparing junk food vegetarians who live on french fries and Peanut Chews to meat eating. That's just silly. It's doesn't take rocket science, or supplementation to eat well regardess of eating meat or not. Though there is nothing in meat or animal products that is essential for health that can't be found in a plant source, but plenty reasons to not eat meat for optimal health. And meat in any form is definitely not part of a healthy diet. just like white flour, white sugar, and salt.
And I'm from the planet vega. :-) You can look up the definition of "vegan" if it's such an alien term to you, no pun intended.
Lack of protein? Where do you think a 400 pound vegetarian gorilla who will crush you with their thumb get protein for their body mass? That is the most uneducated statement to make, and a bad reflection on you. Please deny ignorance.
edit on 16-3-2012 by joejj because: (no reason given)

edit on 16-3-2012 by joejj because: (no reason given)



new topics

top topics



 
22
<< 11  12  13    15  16 >>

log in

join