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No. He didn't. He asked the press to keep MORE secrets two and a half years before he was assassinated. Read the whole speech, not the one chopped up and remixed by conspiracy theorists with an agenda.
Originally posted by SmertSpionam1I have no problems with those things you listed that are your beliefs. I do have a problem with "ANY"organization
that hints at secrecy any fraternity, group, church... well you get the Idea. Hey, didn't JFK say something about secret groups weeks before he was assassinated?
That is your prerogative. In my jurisdiction, the charge and some of the symbol definitions are monitorial, and thus not cypher material. The specifics of the actual degree wording is secret, but there's a lot that can be discussed without breaking oaths.
Originally posted by ThirdDegree
Asking specifics about degrees crosses the line of what I will & will not say.
Originally posted by ThirdDegree
reply to post by artistpoet
The Entered Apprentice is the first degree in Freemasonry. It's the first step on the journey to true Masonic light. Any information given to you beyond what I have told you is either a lie or someone has broken a holy & sacred oath. I will flirt with the line of what can & can not be said without crossing is as much as I can. To continue any learning on the process of becomeing a Mason you should really do the proper way. Asking specifics about degrees crosses the line of what I will & will not say.
Masonry has no problem with Mormons joining. And to the best of my knowledge, Mormons don't have a problem with their members becoming Masons. From what I understand there's a fair amount of parallel between some of the ritual work, which isn't too surprising considering the principal founders of the Mormon church were Masons.
Originally posted by SOILDERSUNITEDFORCHRIST
*why aren't Mormons allowed to be members of masonry? is it that you guys feel as there is a competition between the two?
I call him God. But my brother Mohammed may call him Allah. And Bro. Finklestein may call him Jehova. We agree not to argue about what His name is (in fact, God told Moses "I am that I am"). So we call Him the Grand Architect of the Universe, but that's not a name, so much as a description of what He has done.
*who exactly is the "creator" that you refer to? by name.
For the same reason that any churchgoing individual should be allowed to run for office.
*why should society allow anyone whom has been sworn under a secretive oath to run for president(and swear to another oath) or any high position of power. ?
What child sacrifices? What genocide? And by which members who you can prove to be Masons?
*in your mind does donating a million dollars a day, justify all the child sacrifices. and genocide caused by any member of a secretive club.?
None, but it's nicer to walk a path with a friend, or with someone who's travelled that way before you and can offer guidance than to try to do it on your own.
*what secrets of the universe have you have found that you could not found on your own.?
There is no hazing in Masonic ritual. You're confusing us with college frats.
*why would anyone wanna join a secretive club that humiliates you during the initiation and higher degrees to keep you in bondage and make you feel accepted?
And yet, you, who's not even a member, seem to know everything? Many of the Masonic ATS members here are "high level" depending on what your criteria for such is. But then again, you have no idea how to even begin to define high level...
sorry i am assuming you are in the higher degrees if not. no response needed.
most that are at the bottom are clueless to whats going on.
Originally posted by cointelprotroll
reply to post by network dude
Wow network dude! you really know how to wield a circular argument. Obviously, you are your own master. Why esle would all your arguments revolve around your own opinion. I checked your posts and threads, and there are many. I have news for you;there is a high degree of probability that you are completely wrong about a great many things. The truth is you just don't know- just like the rest of us.
I agree, though lately I've been reading Seth Godin's latest book and he argues that public schools were started as a way to create interchangeable laborers in the height of the industrial revolution.
Originally posted by g146541
This is one reason that some of us in the Masonic community believe the public schools are the foundation of our country's greatness.
The common school (now called a public school) was a brand new concept, created shortly after the Civil War. “Common” because it was for everyone, for the kids of the farmer, the kids of the potter, and the kids of the local shopkeeper. Horace Mann is generally regarded as the father of the institution, but he didn’t have to fight nearly as hard as you would imagine—because industrialists were on his side. The two biggest challenges of a newly industrial economy were finding enough compliant workers and finding enough eager customers. The common school solved both problems.
The normal school (now called a teacher’s college) was developed to indoctrinate teachers into the system of the common school, ensuring that there would be a coherent approach to the processing of students. If this sounds parallel to the notion of factories producing items in bulk, of interchangeable parts, of the notion of measurement and quality, it’s not an accident.
The world has changed, of course. It has changed into a culture fueled by a market that knows how to mass-customize, to find the edges and the weird, and to cater to what the individual demands instead of insisting on conformity.
Mass customization of school isn’t easy. Do we have any choice, though? If mass production and mass markets are falling apart, we really don’t have the right to insist that the schools we designed for a different era will function well now.
Those who worry about the nature of schools face a few choices, but it’s clear that one of them is not business as usual. One option is smaller units within schools, less industrial in outlook, with each unit creating its own varieties of leaders and citizens. The other is an organization that understands that size can be an asset, but only if the organization values customization instead of fighting it.
The current structure, which seeks low-cost uniformity that meets minimum standards, is killing our economy, our culture, and us.
1) Believe in a higher being. If you don't believe in a creator and someone that watches over this existence we call life, you can not be a Mason.
As for Satan, again... we don't ask, and we don't mandate