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Originally posted by KSigMason
Originally posted by squandered
Isn't the premise of freemasonry to worship people they will never meet?
No it is not.
Yes.
Originally posted by Skylonda
I have a genuine question; is there such a thing as a secret Masonic code book?
The ones I've seen are blue and pocket-sized. The text is almost entirely in cipher. It's used by a Mason to help memorize the ritual work.
If so, what would it look like, what would the uses of it be?
It would probably go wherever the rest of the owners' belongings went, I'd wager.
What would happen to it if the owner died with no children.
It's pretty much worthless to anyone who doesn't already know what it says. Kinda tricky that way, actually, but that's honestly the best way I can describe it... the words and rhythms of the ritual are very particular, and it's not likely that someone would be able to read it cover to cover without having experienced the rituals first-hand a number of times. But it's not particularly of any value to the Masons as well... it's not like anyone would necessarily go out of their way to snatch it up to keep it out of circulation—you can buy them on Amazon…
Would it be so secret, the Masonic brothers would normally gather it up and perhaps other items so as not to be circulated amongst the general non-Masonic population? Or is it something worthless to a non- Mason?
It's not issued, but can be bought. There aren't any earth-shattering secrets in it, just the way we do our initiations and other ceremonies. If it came into your possession, you could keep it, or sell it on eBay to a collector, or donate it back to a local lodge—again, it's of no real value, but they might add it to their library if it's particularly vintage. Up to you, really. They can be fun to try to decipher, and you might even get the gist of most of it with enough effort, but probably wouldn't get all the particulars without help.
I saw something of that nature perhaps in a box auction of an old man's belongings and have been curious ever since. It looked old and well worn. What would a thing like that be used for, besides the obvious? How secret would it be? Is every member issued one or just at certain levels or to a Mason tasked with certain duties?
First, you're wrong by assuming any of us are at the bottom of a hierarchy. KSig in particular has more titles and is a member of more appendant bodies than you could shake a stick at.
Originally posted by squandered
How am I wrong?
You are at the bottom of an hierarchy, and you don't know what's above you but you give it worshipful status
Not at all. I had a meeting tonight, actually. World domination plans really do run themselves without much need for maintenance.
Originally posted by squandered
What a terrible misfortune that you are here and not somewhere using your powers of association if you are high ranking members.
It's really not. You just imagine that.
It's a club with a hierarchy.
Not at all. We're not here claiming any superiority. We're stating as fact what actually goes on in a Masonic lodge. If non-members don't believe it, that's their problem.
So you've drawn a line in the sand claiming to be holier than thou and now make claims against people based on the obvious reaction from non-members. Frankly you have to do much better than that.
Originally posted by squandered
What I've wanted to point out is the wrong thinking OP, giving his club praise, in the way of a dictum; something that outsiders cannot accept.
Originally posted by squandered
It's a club with a hierarchy.
Originally posted by squandered
So you've drawn a line in the sand claiming to be holier than thou...
There is no worship in the Lodge. Worshipful is an old English word meaning "respectful". If your theory is true then I'm one of the 'worshiped' as I have been and am current a Worshipful Master. Plus our hierarchy is composed only of those we the members elect.
So you're saying you cannot accept his opinion and the facts he uses to support it?
All clubs and organizations have a hierarchy.
Where have we said this?
Originally posted by squandered
Semantics. See my other response.
Originally posted by squandered
What facts can support the professed ideology of a secret society. You guys can tell any stories you like.
Originally posted by squandered
.. even secret societies
Originally posted by squandered
You have drawn a line in the sand.
Originally posted by squandered
It's a club with a hierarchy. The people are far from being angles...
Originally posted by artistpoet
reply to post by Wolfenz
I too love the movie "Being There"
Peter Sellers best film in my opinion - with many layers of meaning
Originally posted by Pinocchio
Did anyone not notice in the movie "Gladiator" while the emperor talks with the general, he says:
"Now bring an old man another blanket"
Does anyone else agree to the idea that that scene was masnoic in nature with hidden agenda.
Meaning: after conquering the gauls and capturing their flag... the emperor asks for another.
He goes to sleep with the flags of his conquered enemies.