New Footage 9/11 Second Tower Explosion Incredibly Clear Video From Helicopter - Where Is The Plane?

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(Smile)

Fiscal Year 1999 2.3 trillion missing
Fiscal year 2000 1.1 trillion missing

TOTAL USA Federal Budget, 1999

^ ^ ^...

....in FY99, revenues were 1.82 trillion dollars. Spending was 1.70 trillion dollars, the surplus was $124 billion dollars....

TOTAL USA Federal Budget, 2000 is:

Federal budget for 2000: $1.8 trillion.

2000 United States federal budget - $1.8 trillion (submitted 1999 by President Clinton)

Come again????

The oft-repeated (and long-ago debunked) figure that was reported by then Sec. of Defense Rumsfeld (on 10th September, 2001....BTW!) was to mention many years of accounting errors that had accumulated....in order to poke a stick at the previous Administration.....one Bill Clinton. (remember him??)

But, "good job" at reviving another .long-ago debunked canard!!

Love it!!

Originally posted by FissionSurplus
reply to post by ProudBird

 

"Everyone sees and understands"...? NOT. Standard trolling technique, isolating the people who see it for what it is, making them question their own ability to understand what they are seeing.

Your argument is weak and doesn't explain why we do NOT SEE United 175 hit the second tower.

I asked for an explanation as to why we don't see it, and you resort to saying that everybody sees it, day in and day out. Really, that's the best you can do?

1. 10 years is more than enough time to "Photoshop" every frame painstakingly.
2. Editing "almost every frame" and deliberately leaving a few to create debate and cast doubt on the credibility of the video is intentional - the best way to describe this technique is to call it a "digital straw man"
3. It is my personal opinion that the 911 truth debate phenomena was intentionally created to divert attention away from what really happened on that day. If you have half the people crying "inside job" and half the people crying "terrorists", and you intentionally fuel a debate with misleading evidence, lack of evidence and false testimony (eg "I said 'pull it'" to fuel the inside job theory), nobody thinks about the alternative : a well planned attack by a third party. The obvious question this raises is "why would an admistration risk indictment to cover up this?" one answer is to avert the end of civilization by preventing a war that would ultimately escalate to global thermonuclear war". Sometimes when a bully hits you the best course of action is to walk away.

Originally posted by Danbones
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

was not the investigation files and evidence in building seven?

Now suppose one of the collapsed structures hadn't even been hit? Instead the nearby 47-story, WTC-7 burst into flame, a suspicious, haphazard fire that raged hours through several key floors long after the twin towers fell. Several of the floors housed Security & Exchange records pertaining to multi-billion dollar investigations. The Los Angeles Times reported on September 17, 2001 that an estimated 3,000 to 4,000 cases were destroyed. They included SEC's major inquiry into the manner in which investment banks divided up hot shares of initial public offerings (IPOs) during the high-tech boom.


By destroying the building, the fire and subsequent collapse destroyed the records forever and meant a huge net savings for CEOs and corporations being investigated. Add several hundred millions, perhaps billions to our crime spree so far

Were the auditors who could 'follow the money,' and the computers whose data could help them do it, intentionally targeted, asked Jim Marrs and Barbara Honegger in her Pentagon Attack Papers? "It is worth noting that the Pentagon's top financial officer at the time, Dov Zakheim, who also acknowledged the 'missing' trillions, had a company that specializes in aircraft remote control technology."

Curiously, like many top level civilians working at the Pentagon on 911, Zakheim held duel citizenship, US and Israel.

.www.rense.com...

curiouser and curiouser said Alice.....

edit on 16-3-2012 by Danbones because: (no reason given)

No, why would all records pertaining to years of total DoD expenditure be housed in WTC 7 ? What evidence have you for it ?

The usual allegation is that the part of the Pentagon that was hit on 9/11 is where the records were but that is false too because the Army personnel killed that day were in fact working on Army budget statements for fiscal year 2001.

This whole $2.3 trillion issue is a complete red herring and the fact that it still keeps being dredged up only serves to indicate the poverty of the truther arguments.

As has been pointed out to you, the inadequate accounting was an historic problem and the $2.3 trillion figure was being bandied about before Bush junior was ever elected. It had nothing to do with him or Cheney or Rumsfeld and there was absoluely no motive for them to try and cover it up. In fact Rumsfeld did just the reverse by making public remarks about it.

www.911myths.com...

And, outside of trutherdom, does it really seem likely to you that all records relating to years of all DoD expenditure could be housed in one location with no duplication nor back-up anywhere ?

reply to post by ProudBird


Sorry, but that was one year of transactions,
not"many"link

Originally posted by Alfie1
www.911myths.com...

Hanjour was very lucky in his nefarious endeavour, because a pilot of his
experience, allowed to try multiple instances of the same manoeuvre, would
have a very high failure rate.

Source - www.911myths.com/Another_Expert.pdf

Interesting, considering the comments made here by the "resident pilot", Proudbird/weedwhacker", who has claimed it is only "aim and shoot".

i think it was something planned by someone inside the building that morning

Originally posted by CFerguson

Originally posted by choos
...cant confirm its from a rb211....

Does your assessment justify this?

It might be why this list is growing. These type of people require confirmation.

patriotsqueston911.com...

im just saying there were aircrafts in the 9/11 attacks.. are you telling me there wasnt any? are you telling me a global hawk with a max speed of 432 knots and gross weight of 11tons can make that large a hole in the pentagon. or a missile can leave engine parts and wheels causing that much damage?

or maybe you are one of those people trying to tell me a super high-tech-secret anti-gravity remote- controlled BALL with a 767 hologram pictured over it is what crashed into the WTC?

Originally posted by choos
im just saying there were aircrafts in the 9/11 attacks..

Agreed

are you telling me there wasnt any? are you telling me a global hawk with a max speed of 432 knots and gross weight of 11tons can make that large a hole in the pentagon. or a missile can leave engine parts and wheels causing that much damage?

Are you telling me a standard 757/767 can remain controllable and stable at 130-150 knots over it's max operating speed?

If so, are you willing to put your name to such claims?

Not even Proudbird/Weedwhacker is willing to put his name to such a claim.

How much flight time do you have?

Can you compete with this?

or maybe you are one of those people trying to tell me a super high-tech-secret anti-gravity remote- controlled BALL with a 767 hologram pictured over it is what crashed into the WTC?

Strawman. Google it.

reply to post by tommyjo

Could well be the case but as I haven't been a member for long I might have missed that one.

Originally posted by ProudBird
reply to post by CFerguson

 

Why do you ask a question about an RB211, and show this image:

The intact engine example is clearly labelled a Pratt & Whitney. (**)

What a deception, eh??

(**) Edit.....just so those not familiar can get up to speed.....a "JT8D" as labelled in the image example refers to a P&W engine. This one:

P & W JT8D

Now, the most puzzling thing here is.....there is NOT a Boeing 757 with a JT8D engine installed!

At all. The engine options for the B-757 were the RB-211 (various sub-models, depending on when) and the P&W options....there are three versions ( Pratt & Whitney PW2037, PW2040, or PW2043), all based on the very basic PW2000 series.

Hey, this is a lesson for the laypeople!!

A lot to learn, isn't there?

Haven't you still figured it out yet? 'ProudBird', haven't you figured out that the piece with the "slotted disk" that matches JT8D is THAT piece that was reportedly found at Pentagon? Oh pilotsfor911truth.org... seems someone doubt if you EVER was a pilot, huh 'ProudBird' And you falsely claimed that this voice who said >>God, what is that out there?... What the h... is that???... But this is unbelievable!...

reply to post by zorgon


So the plane completely disappeared

Look harder......









Airplane debris recovered at scene - filled 10 of these, some 60 tons of debris

Originally posted by Alfie1

Originally posted by Danbones
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

was not the investigation files and evidence in building seven?

Now suppose one of the collapsed structures hadn't even been hit? Instead the nearby 47-story, WTC-7 burst into flame, a suspicious, haphazard fire that raged hours through several key floors long after the twin towers fell. Several of the floors housed Security & Exchange records pertaining to multi-billion dollar investigations. The Los Angeles Times reported on September 17, 2001 that an estimated 3,000 to 4,000 cases were destroyed. They included SEC's major inquiry into the manner in which investment banks divided up hot shares of initial public offerings (IPOs) during the high-tech boom.


By destroying the building, the fire and subsequent collapse destroyed the records forever and meant a huge net savings for CEOs and corporations being investigated. Add several hundred millions, perhaps billions to our crime spree so far

Were the auditors who could 'follow the money,' and the computers whose data could help them do it, intentionally targeted, asked Jim Marrs and Barbara Honegger in her Pentagon Attack Papers? "It is worth noting that the Pentagon's top financial officer at the time, Dov Zakheim, who also acknowledged the 'missing' trillions, had a company that specializes in aircraft remote control technology."

Curiously, like many top level civilians working at the Pentagon on 911, Zakheim held duel citizenship, US and Israel.

.www.rense.com...

curiouser and curiouser said Alice.....

edit on 16-3-2012 by Danbones because: (no reason given)

No, why would all records pertaining to years of total DoD expenditure be housed in WTC 7 ? What evidence have you for it ?

The usual allegation is that the part of the Pentagon that was hit on 9/11 is where the records were but that is false too because the Army personnel killed that day were in fact working on Army budget statements for fiscal year 2001.

This whole $2.3 trillion issue is a complete red herring and the fact that it still keeps being dredged up only serves to indicate the poverty of the truther arguments.

As has been pointed out to you, the inadequate accounting was an historic problem and the $2.3 trillion figure was being bandied about before Bush junior was ever elected. It had nothing to do with him or Cheney or Rumsfeld and there was absoluely no motive for them to try and cover it up. In fact Rumsfeld did just the reverse by making public remarks about it.

www.911myths.com...

And, outside of trutherdom, does it really seem likely to you that all records relating to years of all DoD expenditure could be housed in one location with no duplication nor back-up anywhere ?

do you see where the investigation was completed?
the money is still missing
guess if they had the files we'ed know?

not to mention when the money went missing years before as was stated above
you forgot this bit

Donald Rumsfeld served in the administrations of presidents Nixon, Ford, Reagan, and George W. Bush.

www.biography.com...
so
if you are so smart
where is the money?
where is the investigation?

Large numbers of case files for ongoing investigations by the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) and the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) were reportedly destroyed in the collapse. The Los Angeles Times reported that "substantial files were destroyed" for 3000 to 4000 of the SEC's cases. The EEOC reported that documents for 45 active cases were destroyed. 3 Before the attack, SEC investigations of corporate fraud by companies such as Enron and Worldcom were the subject of many news reports -- reports that virtually vanished in the wake of the attack.

911review.com...

Well look Bush's good buddy and campaign contributer ken lay and enron...

Examples of Corporate/Shareholder Fraud
WorldCom
During the yearlong investigation into WorldCom's accounts, nine billion dollars in discrepancies were found. The SEC levied charges against the corporation's CEO and several executives. Among these, Scott Sullivan (WorldCom's CFO) was indicted on counts of securities fraud, and David Myers (WorldCom's controller) pled guilty to committing securities fraud and falsifying SEC filings. In order to present a successful face to investors when company profits began to wane, former CFO Scott Sullivan led a series of accounting adjustments. Over five financial quarters Sullivan masked $3.8 billion in WorldCom operation costs. Another charge against WorldCom centers on the fact that the corporation's CEO, Bernard Ebbers, took 408 million dollars in personal loans from the corporation's funds.

Enron
Former top executives of Enron have been accused of hiding the company's debts by falsely adjusting financial records. Enron's accounting firm, Arthur Anderson, also began a process of shredding incriminating documents weeks before the SEC could investigate. The corporate fraud committed by Enron had huge repercussions for employees who had invested most of their savings and 401k retirement funds in presumably secure company stock. The investigation against Enron continues, and charges are being filed against the company's directors and leading accountants.

www.lawyershop.com...

JULY 8--With the FBI slapping handcuffs on Kenneth Lay this morning, let's take a stroll down memory lane, when the disgraced former Enron boss wasn't under indictment and had a cozy pen pal relationship with George W. Bush. Below you'll find an assortment of correspondence exchanged during the years Bush was governor of Texas and Lay ran the Houston-based energy giant. The letters, released by the Texas state archives in response to Freedom of Information requests, touch on personal matters like Bush's knee surgery, Christmas gifts, birthday greetings, and even a Lay heads-up regarding a Thomas Friedman story about globalization. Enron, in case anyone forgot, was Bush's biggest Lone Star political contributor. (8 pages)

www.thesmokinggun.com...

you did read about Mr Remote control airplane, airtanker dude and missing money man dual citizenship Dov Zakhiem past page

Latest On Rabbi Zakheim
And The Missing $2.3 Trillion
3-28-7


"I believe this to be a very important article. As you may probably know, I've steadfastly maintained that Dov Zakheim, the former Comptroller of the Pentagon, is a key conspirator in the 9/11 fraud. The following article sheds more light on this powerful shadowy character; the missing $2.3 Trillion; his connection to the mysterious Boeing 767 tanker deal (I believe the aircraft that impacted the Twin Towers were KC-767s, the military tanker version of the Boeing 767); and his involvement in SPC, the company that manufactures remote control 'termination' systems for aircraft. Yes, things are beginning to snap into focus very quickly..." -- a physicist in the 911 Truth movement



Following Zakheim And The Pentagon Trillions To Israel And 911
By Jerry Mazza
Online Journal Associate Editor
3-28-7

Think of this as part two of Recherche du trillions perdu, my Online Journal article on Dov Zakheim, former Bush appointee as Pentagon Comptroller from May 4, 2001 to March 10, 2004. At that time he was unable to explain the disappearance of $1 trillion dollars. Actually, nearly three years earlier, Donald Rumsfeld announced on September 10, 2001 that an audit discovered $2.3 trillion was also missing from the Pentagon books [1]. That story, as I mentioned, was buried under 9-11's rubble. The two sums disappeared on Zakheim's watch.

Yet on May 6, 2004, Zakheim took a lucrative position at Booz Allen Hamilton, one of the most prestigious strategy consulting firms in the world. One of its clients then was Blessed Relief, a charity said to be a front for Osama bin Laden. Booz, Allen & Hamilton then also worked closely with DARPA, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, which is the research arm of the Department of Defense. So the dark card was shifted to another part of the deck

www.rense.com...

Judicial Inc also points out that Israel, a country of 4.8 million Russian and Polish Jewish émigrés, flies on one of the biggest Air Forces in the world, thanks to Mr. Zakheim. Conflict of interest here? Depends on what you're interested in. That is, in 2001 Zakheim was CEO of SPS International, part of System Planning Corporation, a defense contractor majoring in electronic warfare technologies, including remote-controlled aircraft systems, and the notorious Flight Termination System (FTS) technology that could hijack even a hijacked plane and land or crash it wherever.

nothing to see here move along move along

U.S. has lost sight of cash from $70 billion sent to Afghanistan: Inspector General

www.stripes.com... .149731

yeah
Afghanistan asked for proof Bin laden did 911 the US said proof we don't need no stinkin proof..
we are on a MISSION!

anyone who ignores that kind of accounting is most likely recieving some of it...

Iraq War misappropriations refers to allegations that billions of dollars have not been properly accounted for or misappropriated during the Iraq War from funds released by the United States Congress for programmes, including the re-construction and re-building of Iraq, after the war. Gag orders from the United States Department of Justice/White House are preventing further inquiry into the allegations.

Official audits and investigationsThe United States Department of Justice has 900 cases of alleged fraud by contractors to investigate.[1] The Defense Contract Audit Agency similarly has uncovered $10 billion in questionable Iraq contracts[1] and a US audit found that the occupation authority lost track of reconstruction funds totalling nearly $9 billion.[2]

Henry Waxman, Chairman of the United States House of Representatives committee on oversight and government reform, said: "The money that's gone into waste, fraud and abuse under these contracts is just so outrageous, it's egregious. It may well turn out to be the largest war profiteering in history."[3]

en.wikipedia.org...

that would be the same Iraq that had NO WMDS, was bin ladens biggest enemy, had nothing to do with 911 according to the US government...

Paul Bremer's order granting corporate immunity in IRAQ
www.democraticunderground.com...


You OSers have a lot of explaining to do just in the fact that you ignore SO much simple stuff like the missing money and then try to obfuscate like the vid in th OP...while the fact that some of the perps got legislated blanket immunity to steal...

oh no, no records were harmed in the making of this false flag

JAN 2011

30,000 Pentagon Auditors Still Can't Find That Missing 2.3 TRILLION
In a hearing of the Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee, Senator McCaskill makes clear that for a government agency, accountability starts at the top and wonders why the Pentagon has 30,000 auditors that can't seem to find where some of OUR missing money went.

careandwashingofthebrain.blogspot.com...
in support of my above posts

reply to post by Alfie1

One Army office in the Pentagon lost 34 of its 65 employees in the attack. Most of those killed in the office, called Resource Services Washington, were civilian accountants, bookkeepers and budget analysts. They were at their desks when American Airlines Flight 77 struck.

Especially for Xcathdra and Alfie:

Though Defense has long been notorious for waste, recent government reports suggest the Pentagon's money management woes have reached astronomical proportions. A study by the Defense Department's inspector general found that the Pentagon couldn't properly account for more than a trillion dollars in monies spent. A GAO report found Defense inventory systems so lax that the U.S.

Army lost track of 56 airplanes, 32 tanks, and 36 Javelin missile command launch-units.
And before the Iraq war, when military leaders were scrambling to find enough chemical and biological warfare suits to protect U.S. troops, the department was caught selling these suits as surplus on the Internet "for pennies on the dollar," a GAO official said.

Given these glaring gaps in the management of a Pentagon budget that is approaching $400 billion, the coming debate is shaping up as a bid to gain the high ground in the battle against waste, fraud and abuse.
"We are overhauling our financial management system precisely because people like David Walker are rightly critical of it," said Dov Zakheim, the Pentagon's chief financial officer and prime architect of the Defense Department's self-styled fiscal transformation.

Among the provisions in the 207-page plan, the department is asking Congress to allow Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld to replace the civil service system governing 700,000 nonmilitary employees with a new system to be detailed later.

The plan would also eliminate or phase out more than a hundred reports that now tell Congress, for instance, which Defense contractors support the Arab boycott of Israel and when U.S. special forces train foreign soldiers, as well as many studies of program costs.

The administration's proposal, which would also give Rumsfeld greater authority to move money between accounts and exempt Defense from certain environmental statutes, prompted influential House Democrats to write Speaker Dennis Hastert last week complaining that the proposals would "increase the level of waste, fraud, and abuse . . . by vastly reducing (Defense) accountability."

"The Congress has increased defense spending from $300 billion to $400 billion over three years at the same time that the Pentagon has failed to address financial problems that dwarf those of Enron," said Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Los Angeles, one of the letter's signatories.

www.oilempire.us...

You saw how long Rummy was head of defence in a prior post, and the bit about Mr remote control Dov Zakhiem

Originally posted by ANOK
reply to post by thedman

 

Fire proofing makes not difference when it's a known fact that one hours worth of room fire is not going to get steel hot enough to fail.

Of interest is the maximum value which is fairly regularly found. This value turns out to be around 1200°C, although a typical post-flashover room fire will more commonly be 900~1000°C. The time-temperature curve for the standard fire endurance test, ASTM E 119 [13] goes up to 1260°C, but this is reached only in 8 hr. In actual fact, no jurisdiction demands fire endurance periods for over 4 hr, at which point the curve only reaches 1093°C...

...Temperatures of objects

It is common to find that investigators assume that an object next to a flame of a certain temperature will also be of that same temperature. This is, of course, untrue. If a flame is exchanging heat with a object which was initially at room temperature, it will take a finite amount of time for that object to rise to a temperature which is 'close' to that of the flame. Exactly how long it will take for it to rise to a certain value is the subject for the study of heat transfer. Heat transfer is usually presented to engineering students over several semesters of university classes, so it should be clear that simple rules-of-thumb would not be expected. Here, we will merely point out that the rate at which target objects heat up is largely governed by their thermal conductivity, density, and size. Small, low-density, low-conductivity objects will heat up much faster than massive, heavy-weight ones.

www.doctorfire.com...

We also know it didn't get hot enough to fail because someone is seen standing right were the heat was supposed to be.

Not only that even IF it did get hot enough sagging trusses can not pull in columns! So fire proofing makes no difference, period.

ANOK, once again you have failed to do any real research whatsoever. I take it you did not even bother to read through the three important links I posted a bit back, because if you did, you wouldnt have posted such ignorance.

I shall repost my response to you and hope to God you actually read it this time, because I cannot and will not allow such ignorance to continue and flourish.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

and the three links in question:
The MOST important one that completely destroys your post:
Fire heat transfer into steel

and the other two that support it:

fire.nist.gov...

www.wpi.edu...

Your link is laughable as it gives us no specifics, nothing about steel behavior in fire, or anything that would relevant. My three links explain exactly how it works and why you are wrong.

Also ANOK, I wonder why Truthers keep ignoring or sidestepping my question, so I hope you will give me a decent answer: If a "regular" fire cannot affect large steel structures rapidly, then what exactly caused the heavy steel trussed roof of McCormick Place to collapse during its fire? And no, I do not want to hear BS about how it is nothing like the WTC building or collapsing completely. I want to know WHY and HOW the large heavy steel trussed roof of McCormick Place failed and collapsed within 20 minutes of fire ignition, if, as you claim, fire cannot affect steel so fast. So what was it?

reply to post by Danbones


Oh Danbones, notice that it was the ARMY's financial accounting office and not the entire DoD's budgetary office. I do not see how the US Army has so much money dedicated to it.