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New Footage 9/11 Second Tower Explosion Incredibly Clear Video From Helicopter - Where Is The Plane?

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posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 09:55 PM
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This thread and its theories are well crafted and quite aged (2002). They were designed to smear the truth movement and mainly to mislead and derail the real investigator while defecating on internet forums such as this one and on the memories of the victims of 911.

911 debunkers play a part in keeping these stupid theories alive while denying and ignoring real evidence. Sometimes these debunkers pose as 911 truthers posting ridiculous theories such as Cgi, tanker planes, pods or some LAME YOUTUBE VIDEO just so they can debunk them and attempt to make 911 theorists or investigators look like crack pots. Go Ron Paul!


The real 911 evidence has to do with Amdocs, Ptech, Israel, and other groups who used the 911 war games as cover while making it look like another group did as to create a reason to invade Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Libya, and eventually in their hopes, Iran.

You have all been fooled.

As for the video, it has been altered and the quality is sub-poor. This theories are linked to the proven disinfo site letsroll911 and Phil Jayhan who worked in the shadows with 'Debunking 911 myths- Popular mechanics" and funded loose change who are also linked to vanity fair, the naudets..... it starts getting really ugly. Nico?
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posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 10:02 PM
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where did i see that dutch simulator thingy?


Dutch Pentagon Attack Recreation A Fraud? - Simulator Not Certified, Not A 757
The Dutch simulation test was performed prior to the release of the Flight Data Recorder information, so clearly the Dutch researchers did not have any scientific data to examine the maneuver, nor implement the maneuver properly. Their main focus was to debunk claims made that the turning maneuver was impossible, which we agree is possible according to the data now released. However, other aspects of the flight path are impossible

pilotsfor911truth.org...

modeled on what fresh air?



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 10:02 PM
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Originally posted by Danbones

Missile Witness Cut Out

www.youtube.com...

who knew?



Missiles were mentioned in all three states!! New York, Pennsylvania and Washington (not a state) DC.
The rumors of there being missiles were not edited out the morning of or the days following in fact, all day that Tuesday, we thought these were missiles (and use of detonation).



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 10:09 PM
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Like robot drones the senseless comments come in mentioning missiles, lasers, pods, energy weapons, tv fakery, cgi. then sliding off topic to the Pentagon.

Sorry kids, I dont mean to sound too blunt but I have been around these blocks.

This thread should be moved to hoax considering that the theory in this thread has been debunked years ago as well as finding out the malicious intent in creating a hoax with full knowledge it is a hoax.

Come on really, how stupid can people get as to promote or believe the idea that there were no planes or that it was all faked using Computer Graphics when thousands of people witnessed it live.... and dont quote what I just said and start a lame argument that it was CGI. Youre being fooled.

Nice.


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posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 10:10 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 10:10 PM
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You do know that Major General Albert "Bert" N. Stubblebine is the character from The Men Who Stare at Goats that kept trying to walk through walls?


One of the great proponents of psychic warfare was Major General Albert Stubblebine III - and back in 1983, he was at the height of his powers.

He was one of America's most distinguished soldiers and chief of U.S. Army Intelligence, with 16,000 soldiers under his command. He was instrumental in the invasions of Panama and Grenada. In fact, it is no exaggeration to say that Albert Stubblebine III was at the heart of America's military machine.

He was also a man who tried to walk through walls.

Visitors to Stubblebine's offices at Arlington, Virginia, are told of him repeatedly walking at walls - only to bounce painfully off them.But in his mind, there was never any doubt that the ability to pass through solid objects would one day be a common tool in the intelligence-gathering arsenal.

Nonetheless, he was continuously frustrated by his own, rather embarrassing, lack of success. 'I still think it's a great idea,' says General Stubb



Albert Stubblebine




posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 10:13 PM
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Originally posted by Shadow Herder
Like robot drones the senseless comments come in mentioning missiles,






posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 10:16 PM
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Originally posted by Drunkenparrot
reply to post by Danbones
 


You do know that Major General Albert "Bert" N. Stubblebine is the character from The Men Who Stare at Goats that kept trying to walk through walls?


One of the great proponents of psychic warfare was Major General Albert Stubblebine III - and back in 1983, he was at the height of his powers.

He was one of America's most distinguished soldiers and chief of U.S. Army Intelligence, with 16,000 soldiers under his command. He was instrumental in the invasions of Panama and Grenada. In fact, it is no exaggeration to say that Albert Stubblebine III was at the heart of America's military machine.

He was also a man who tried to walk through walls.

Visitors to Stubblebine's offices at Arlington, Virginia, are told of him repeatedly walking at walls - only to bounce painfully off them.But in his mind, there was never any doubt that the ability to pass through solid objects would one day be a common tool in the intelligence-gathering arsenal.

Nonetheless, he was continuously frustrated by his own, rather embarrassing, lack of success. 'I still think it's a great idea,' says General Stubb



Albert Stubblebine



even if that qualified as a rebutal to the points he made which it doesn't you'ld still have 24 more people who are much higher up the ladder then you might be...
in fact you are insulting someone who was in charge of INTELLIGENCE...without matching same



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 10:23 PM
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Originally posted by Danbones

Originally posted by Drunkenparrot
reply to post by Danbones
 


You do know that Major General Albert "Bert" N. Stubblebine is the character from The Men Who Stare at Goats that kept trying to walk through walls?


One of the great proponents of psychic warfare was Major General Albert Stubblebine III - and back in 1983, he was at the height of his powers.

He was one of America's most distinguished soldiers and chief of U.S. Army Intelligence, with 16,000 soldiers under his command. He was instrumental in the invasions of Panama and Grenada. In fact, it is no exaggeration to say that Albert Stubblebine III was at the heart of America's military machine.

He was also a man who tried to walk through walls.

Visitors to Stubblebine's offices at Arlington, Virginia, are told of him repeatedly walking at walls - only to bounce painfully off them.But in his mind, there was never any doubt that the ability to pass through solid objects would one day be a common tool in the intelligence-gathering arsenal.

Nonetheless, he was continuously frustrated by his own, rather embarrassing, lack of success. 'I still think it's a great idea,' says General Stubb



Albert Stubblebine



even if that qualified as a rebutal to the points he made which it doesn't you'ld still have 24 more people who are much higher up the ladder then you might be...
in fact you are insulting someone who was in charge of INTELLIGENCE...without matching same


here is a quote from your first link:

Main article: The Men Who Stare at Goats (film)
A comedy film loosely based on the book,



here is the actual article at the link you referenced:


Albert "Bert" N. Stubblebine III is a retired Major General in the United States Army. He was the commanding general of the United States Army Intelligence and Security Command from 1981 to 1984, when he retired from the Army. He is also known for his interest in parapsychology.

Contents [hide]
1 Biography
2 See also
3 References
4 External links

[edit] BiographyStubblebine graduated from the United States Military Academy and received a master's degree in chemical engineering from Columbia University.[1] His active duty career spanned 32 years, and he is credited with redesigning the U.S. Army intelligence architecture during his command of the United States Army Intelligence and Security Command from 1981 to 1984.

Other U.S. Army commands that he led included the Electronic Research and Development Command (ERADCOM) and the Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM).[2] Stubblebine was a key person in the U.S. military invasions of Panama and Grenada and was, according to a report published by the Daily Mail, "at the heart of America's military machine".[3] He is a member of the Military Intelligence Hall of Fame.[4]

After Stubblebine retired from the Army in 1984 he worked for BDM Corporation.[5] He also acted as a part-time consultant to two government contractors, ERIM and Space Applications Corporation.[5]

Stubblebine appeared in the 2006 documentary "One Nation Under Siege"[2] in which he states, in relation to the attack on The Pentagon which took place on September 11, 2001: I look at the hole in The Pentagon, and I look at the size of an airplane that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon, and I said "The plane does not fit in that hole. So what did hit the Pentagon?"

A proponent of psychic warfare, Stubblebine was involved in a U.S. Military project to create "a breed of 'super soldier'" who would "have the ability to become invisible at will and to walk through walls". Stubblebine..

**** reportedly"""""

attempted to walk through walls himself, without success.[3] He features prominently in Jon Ronson's book The Men Who Stare at Goats.[6][7]

en.wikipedia.org...
it seem to not match the quote you posted

thats considered extremly bad form old chap



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posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 10:33 PM
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well I did not know that HA
thanks

I just know the minute I saw it on TV as it was going down it was a false flag..
and I had the sound off cause I was working in a store that sold tvs...

I have scrapped metal though, and 1oo tons in means 1oo tons out

( I also did the books....)



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 10:40 PM
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Taking specific accounts from a few people does not a "case for a missile" make.

In any situation like that, there will be a spectrum of eyewitness testimony to consider. Far, far, far more eyewitnesses as the airplanes....many more than (incorrectly) thought they were missiles.

Oh, and missiles don't have Mode-C altitude reporting transponders.

www.npr.org...


8:51 The controller noticed the transponder reading from United 175, and asked the plane to go back to the proper code. There was no response.

8:52 The controller began to make repeated attempts to reach United 175, without getting a response.




Center: Hold on a second. I’m trying to bring him up here and get you— There he is right there. Hold on.

Terminal: Got him just out of 9,500-9,000 now.

Center: Do you know who he is?

Terminal: We're just, we just we don't know who he is. We're just picking him up now.

Center (at 9:02): Alright. Heads up man, it looks like another one coming in.

9:02 The controllers observed the plane in a rapid descent; the radar data terminated over lower Manhattan.

9:03:02 United 175 crashed into the World Trade Center's South Tower.



The term "Center" above refers to the New York ARTCC

The term "Terminal" refers to the New York TRACON



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 10:40 PM
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Originally posted by Shadow Herder
Like robot drones the senseless comments come in mentioning missiles, lasers, pods, energy weapons, tv fakery, cgi. then sliding off topic to the Pentagon.

Sorry kids, I dont mean to sound too blunt but I have been around these blocks.

This thread should be moved to hoax considering that the theory in this thread has been debunked years ago as well as finding out the malicious intent in creating a hoax with full knowledge it is a hoax.

Come on really, how stupid can people get as to promote or believe the idea that there were no planes or that it was all faked using Computer Graphics when thousands of people witnessed it live.... and dont quote what I just said and start a lame argument that it was CGI. Youre being fooled.

Nice.


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this thread appears to be a discussion regarding the unusual nature of the vid in the OP, not a thread stating the op is evidence, and an examination of the refutability of various debunking techniques and the resulting rise in the polls of the disbelief in the official story, because of the failure of various debunking techniques
as the above post of mine re the difference in the stated debunker quote and the actual reference quote illustrates

there is a big difference



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 10:43 PM
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Oh wow, obnoxious posts with big red banners like that, how rude!
I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but that pretty much takes care if it.

:shk:

I would think that you would be all for the truth of 9/11.

Many truthers doubt the 2nd Tower Plane idea...many!

I used to think that was impossible, but as I investigated more and more,
there were gaping holes in the whole plane crash caused the fires, caused
the towers to fall.



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 10:43 PM
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To bad there is no human responce from the "vehicle" carrying the transponder..
then that would really have helped clear up the controvercy..
Im sure osama who made norad stand down would have spoofed the transponder too



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 10:46 PM
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Originally posted by burntheships
reply to post by Shadow Herder
 


Oh wow, obnoxious posts with big red banners like that, how rude!
I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but that pretty much takes care if it.

:shk:

I would think that you would be all for the truth of 9/11.

Many truthers doubt the 2nd Tower Plane idea...many!

I used to think that was impossible, but as I investigated more and more,
there were gaping holes in the whole plane crash caused the fires, caused
the towers to fall.



yep, an anti-gravity super high tech ball with a hologram airliner over it is what it really was!!!

i mean another aircraft is just simply too impossible.



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 10:48 PM
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Originally posted by Danbones
... in fact you are insulting someone who was in charge of INTELLIGENCE...without matching same


How am I insulting General Stubblebine's intelligence? This is what he believes and he makes no secret of it.

Without matching same? I have contributed nothing verifiable facts to this conversation while your entire participation seems to be argumentative conjecture.

You dont understand much of the subject matter and have gullibly bought into a fiction perpetuated by con artists who have lied to you.

Honestly, you put forward a man well known for having a screw loose as an unimpeachable expert in a failed appeal to authority and when that falls flat try to take a cheap shot at anothers intelligence?

Rich.

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Originally posted by Danbones
A proponent of psychic warfare, Stubblebine was involved in a U.S. Military project to create "a breed of 'super soldier'" who would "have the ability to become invisible at will and to walk through walls". Stubblebine..

**** reportedly"""""

attempted to walk through walls himself, without success.[3] He features prominently in Jon Ronson's book The Men Who Stare at Goats.[6][7]
en.wikipedia.org...
it seem to not match the quote you posted

thats considered extremly bad form old chap


Check the citation notes linked to the reference source's listed at the bottom of the page or didn't you read that far...?


References
^ Ronson, Jon (2006). The Men Who Stare at Goats, Simon & Schuster (April 4, 2006). ISBN 978-0-7432-7060-1 p. 70
^ a b One Nation Under Siege: Guest List: Major General Albert Stubblebine
^ a b Penman, Danny (October 23, 2009). "Can you kill a goat by staring into its eyes?". Daily Mail. Retrieved November 11, 2009.
^ CSTI - Board Of Directors at the Wayback Machine (archived February 6, 2005)
^ a b Court Of Appeals Of Virginia. Albert N. Stubblebine, III v. Geraldine M. Stubblebine. Record No. 1915-94-4. Case heard on July 23, 1996. Accessed November 12, 2009.
^ Ronson, Jon (2006). The Men Who Stare at Goats. Simon & Schuster. p. 93. ISBN 978-0-7432-7060-1.
^ "Acting the giddy goat". The Guardian. December 21, 2004. Retrieved November 10, 2009.

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posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 10:48 PM
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maybe if Stubblebine was still in charge of intelligence the reports of terrorists at the door would have been heeded and 911 would never have happened at all

well
24 more senior experts and a bunch of top guns to go...



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 10:50 PM
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As has undoubtedly been said many times, I didn't ready EVERY comment, but it seems the object in the upper right corner is most likely the plane and it disappears because of either poor video quality, blending in with background, or cgi manipulation. I'm almost definitely sure there was a second plane because it was seen by so many people in person and on film. There's so much video from so many different sources that I doubt the plane was a hologram. Besides, why go to the trouble of using unknown and most likely experimental hologram technology when you can just crash the actual plane or one that is similar? I've seen some videos where they claim that the planes were actually military or private aircraft but then what happened to the passengers? Were they just flown into the ocean or taken somewhere else for maybe some darker reason? Perhaps this was a way to get some fresh test subjects for their black ops programs?



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 10:50 PM
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There was no "stand down" of NORAD>

Just another "truther" lie.

and:


To bad there is no human responce from the "vehicle" carrying the transponder..


Another indication that there is no comprehension of aviation, and how things are in the reality of that industry.

The only person who would have been able to reply to ATC was a hijacker, at that point. He had no reason to....no point.

But, if you think that a missile carries a transponder, and that the controllers saw the code change, because there as a tiny person on the missile, then by all means, go with the same sort of ignorance and silliness as all the rest of 'em.....



posted on Mar, 15 2012 @ 10:51 PM
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from your hilighted link

What is less well-known, however, is that the U.S. military did try to create such a breed of 'supersoldier'. And that killing goats with psychic powers was just the tip of the iceberg.
Indeed, the fruits of Project Jedi, and several other clandestine paranormal projects, have been actively used in battle - and are almost certainly being employed in the war on terror and the hunt for Osama Bin Laden.
'You have to understand that these ideas were not considered wacky,' says Sergeant Glenn Wheaton, a Special Forces soldier seconded to Project Jedi.



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