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posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 04:18 AM
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Nobody is judging you. This thread isn't intended for judging. Its intended for people to debate the war on God and His word. And also to get people to think about Jesus and what He endured for our sins. We all know that theres a war being waged on the things that have God either on them or in them. Money schools the courthouse. Our country was founded on the belief in God. And now its being attacked from almost every direction.




posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 04:18 AM
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Nobody is judging you. This thread isn't intended for judging. Its intended for people to debate the war on God and His word. And also to get people to think about Jesus and what He endured for our sins. We all know that theres a war being waged on the things that have God either on them or in them. Money schools the courthouse. Our country was founded on the belief in God. And now its being attacked from almost every direction.



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 04:22 AM
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Originally posted by Lulzaroonie
The Bible was written by a group of men who sought to keep the masses in line. And why not? There is a man who promises eternal life in the kingdom of heaven if you follow set rules. If you don't, Satan is tempting you, and you will suffer damnation.

Actually what the bible teaches is that you cannot win/lose your salvation through your actions here on Earth. If you could you would be gaining salvation via works:

For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.- Ephesians 2:8-9

This is standard Christian teaching for everyone except Catholics. Roman Catholicism is the only church that teaches salvation through both faith and works. They were the only group to ever use the bible for the type of control you're speaking of.

As a matter of fact, the inability of the Roman Catholic Church to rewrite the bible, allowing for their abuses of the scripture, is what lead to the Protestant Reformation:

Protestant Reformation
The Protestant Reformation was a 16th-century split within Western Christianity initiated by Martin Luther, John Calvin and other early Protestants. The efforts of the self-described "reformers", who objected to ("protested") the doctrines, rituals and ecclesiastical structure of the Roman Catholic Church, led to the creation of new national Protestant churches.

The Roman Catholic Clergy began selling forgiveness of sins if you paid to fund their building of Cathedrals:

Start of the Reformation
In 1516, Johann Tetzel, a Dominican friar and papal commissioner for indulgences, was sent to Germany by the Roman Catholic Church to sell indulgences to raise money to rebuild St. Peter's Basilica in Rome. Roman Catholic theology stated that faith alone, whether fiduciary or dogmatic, cannot justify man; justification rather depends only on such faith as is active in charity and good works (fides caritate formata) can justify man. The benefits of good works could be obtained by donating money to the church.

Luther argued with this church practice, as it stood in direct violation of what was actually in the Bible. He wrote the 95 thesis, which was the starting point of the Reformation:

Luther: Justification by Faith
The first and chief article is this: Jesus Christ, our God and Lord, died for our sins and was raised again for our justification (Romans 3:24–25). He alone is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world (John 1:29), and God has laid on Him the iniquity of us all (Isaiah 53:6). All have sinned and are justified freely, without their own works and merits, by His grace, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, in His blood (Romans 3:23–25). This is necessary to believe. This cannot be otherwise acquired or grasped by any work, law or merit. Therefore, it is clear and certain that this faith alone justifies us ... Nothing of this article can be yielded or surrendered, even though heaven and earth and everything else falls (Mark 13:31).



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 04:26 AM
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Deuteronomy 22:11 You shall not wear a garment of different sorts, as of woolen and linen together.
Leviticus 18:28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print or tattoo any marks upon you: I am the Lord.
Matthew 18:8-9 And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD they God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straightness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee

I can keep on going, but I think I make a pretty clear point. Mixed fabric garments; ticket to hell. Pretty much all the women of America and a portion of men are going to hell of pierced ears and tattoos. And cannibalism is aye okay with the big man upstairs. I'm pretty sure there is a verse in the bible about the earth being flat too. I hate to tell ya, but the Bible is literally just the same as all the other religious books. Their fake, full of crap, most of them these days steal stories from past religions (including the Bible; Jesus is suspicious like Dionysus of the Greek pantheon). And you can look all you want and not find a single instance in which Jesus was recorded by any, ANY, of the historians of that time. The only historian that Christians still cite today was proven to be false some time ago. If you're going to buy into any book of any spiritual nature, it's best to look into the credentials of the author(s). In this case, not only do you have to look into how many numerous times the Bible has been modified (including the many chapters that were taken out. After all, if they were God's words, shouldn't they all be in there?), but what was lost through the translations? And even after all that you still want to buy into it, let me ask you a question. If you were the devil, what way do you think would be the best to destroy the religion of Christ? Well obviously destroy, smear, insert and remove parts from the Bible. Presuming it all to be true at least in some form, would it not be an easy presumption that the devil has had his spindly red fingers all over the bible in the last two thousand years or so? How are you to know that what you're following is really, after all the weather of time, the Bible accurately translated and unmodified from the original text? If you really want a relationship with God, it's your responsibility to discover him yourself, and that requires an agile mind and all those reasoning-logic skills God was so kind to bless you with that strangely, the Church and Bible seem to be so accustomed to bashing. All you have to do is research only a little bit about the history of the Bible outside of its' religious context to see that it's just as fake and transitory as all the other religious texts and stories.

In a thousand years (probably less), after this civilization is long gone and they're digging up our bones, archeologists are going to be absolutely mystified by our strange obsession with the lower-case letter "t" and why we have some blonde guy stapled to it. Mind you however, this is only an argument about the validity of Christianity and the Bible, not against the existence of God. I believe in God. I don't believe for a second in any religion primarily because it is impossible for any real truth to come of organized religion without corruption from an outside source. It is far too convenient to use religion as a means to control and manipulate the opinion of the masses.



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 04:30 AM
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Originally posted by Vsc1981
I know whats been said about Jesus. But its like being in a relationship with somebody your in love with. If they cheat on you and you separate and maybe 6 months down the road you decide your still in love and want to be with them then you start dating again obviously you forgave them. And you basically have to forget about what happened to have a relationship again. So what Jesus did He answered for. And just like He answered for His we will ours. Its not about what He did before He was crucified its about He died for our sins and He will be back for those that believe before we're destroyed with the earth.



but that promise is not to one particular race, it's to those that believe in him.

God made numerous promises to even those who were betraying him. made all sorts of promises to try to help them, promised them a messiah and kept that promise... knowing that in the end he would still have many who rejected him, but even after he is rejected over and over and over, he still makes promises of redemption for those who are faithful... because this is how he teaches his people to not be proud in their hearts for their own sakes, but to listen to what he is telling them... and what he told them through his son is that any race can acquire the heart of a Jew upon the acceptance of Christ.

it still has nothing to do with race.

God's covenant with Israel wasn't the only one he made.
To think that is vanity and pride, but yes... he made an everlasting covenant but made it clear from the very beginning that even through this covenant he would would destroy them if he had to. He made it very clear that he would literally run them out if they disobeyed him. He could destroy every single disobedient Jew on earth (grace, not race) save one single Jew and still not be breaking his covenant.



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 04:41 AM
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Originally posted by Vsc1981
No i love care about every human and every creature upon this earth. No matter religion or race or gender. Its not about that. And if you haven't felt Jesus then maybe you could try to find Him. I'm not trying to push nothing on you its just a suggestion. And if you choose not to then I'm sure He'll come tugging on you one day. I don't want anybody to be against me here I'm just looking to have people thinking of the what could be. You know how would this make me feel if i did this? For example: what if i got on my knees and prayed how would i feel? Would it make me different towards Jesus? What if i tried to read the bible? Would i start reading it on a daily basis? What if i went to church this Sunday? Would i go next Sunday? Just the what if's. It can't hurt to try so why not thats why i started this thread. And I'm calling peoples beliefs or religion ignorant. I'm calling the name calling and down talking on me ignorant. Thats just not fair in so many ways.


I know why you started this thread. You got upset about something that happened in another thread but you should be aware of what being condescending will get you. it will get people angry and frustrated at you if you are the one to take the first punch, then don't be surprised when it comes back at you. when you try to force your perception of the bible onto others in a condescending manner insisting that they do not read the bible simply because you don't agree with their words and tell them *how it is* in YOUR perspective, that is actually a psychological attack and you should not be surprised when they call you names.

You carry it to another thread because you are still upset, looking for that person to reply, knowing they will engage, knowing the issue is important to them. this is actually not a biblical debate at all. people are in here saying all sorts of things about how they think the bible is a joke but you are not attacking them... you are actually humbling yourself to it. What is bothering you most is that someone hurt your feelings because you simply could not get them to cave in to what you were insisting. it actually has nothing to do with the bible or anyone's beliefs at all. it's a personal matter.
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posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 04:44 AM
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Originally posted by SplitInfinity
I am an AGNOSTIC...but I know my History. There was once a Spring Solstace Holiday and Festival of fertility...Pagan in nature called the The Holiday of ESTER. The Christians changed it to EASTER.

Ever wonder what Baskets filled with grass and eggs and chicks and bunnies has to do with Jesus Christ?....ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

I'm thinking that you don't know your history as well as you think that you know it.
The only thing pagan about Christian Easter is its name.

Bunnies, eggs, baskets, chickens, etc... are not, and never were part of the Christian celebration of Easter. They are American marketing icons for the holiday that were added by American corporations. The same with all the Christmas stuff like trees, Santa Clause (in his current “form”), etc.. They took all these various historical/pagan traditions and injected them into the holidays, not the church.

You will never walk into a Christian Church on Easter and see any of those pagan icon sitting on the alter.

The reason why Easter falls when it does is because that is when the actual event happened. We know this because it happened during the Jewish Passover.



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 04:50 AM
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Everybody has different interpretations of the bible. Its extremely common. However you can't take from the bible meaning take words out of it or add to the bible meaning add more words to it. There is to many things mentioned in the bible that point to the times we're living in now. So I'm sticking to my guns. And i believe in our lifetime we will see the wrath of God. Its in my bones i can feel it. I'm not i know the is going to end just that something big is coming and i want to be right when it does. I'm an educated person and I'm fairly smart. I've got more than enough common sense. I didn't start this thread for no reason. I wanted to make a difference and try to do my part. And i honestly don't care what people think about me and my efforts. It all comes with the territory and i more than accept that. So if you want to bash me your not the first obviously. This isn't for fun I'm not sitting here giggling. Otherwise wouldn't waste my time if i didn't think it to be important.



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 05:07 AM
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Originally posted by Vsc1981
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But if i can get one person to think just think about Jesus then i feel better. Not change your beliefs or religion but just think aboutHim and what he went through for our sins. I'm sorry if I've offended anybody.


God has started your wondrous journey to learn about Him, and in your growing love it is normal to want everyone to know Him too. And your words may be a seed in a heart that someday is called by Him. That's how it works. What I was taught at the age of five came flooding back when I was 44. In between, I really gave Him zero thought because He had not turned my heart and mind towards Christ Jesus. I'd have replied to this post like others, pointing out the fact that your post was incorrect that most do not know the Bible as the inspired words of God. Today, as you can see, I know otherwise. But Christ Jesus makes it perfectly clear that those who come to Him are those who were given to Him from the foundation of the world.

I wanted to gently tackle your statement that "Jews are the chosen people", in hopes that it opens an understanding that you can pray about to seek further confirmation. There are two scriptures that will hopefully help;

1. "salvation is of the Jews". This is the traditional translation that all Christians read. But we KNOW that salvation is from our Father in Heaven, so something is wrong in the translation, isn't it? When you understand that the correct translation is "salvation cometh OUT OF JUDEA", and Christ Jesus was born from the tribe of Judah in Judea. The "Jews" are not our salvation - our salvation came out of Judea.

2. "1Do you not know, brothers—for I am speaking to men who know the law—that the law has authority over a man only as long as he lives? 2For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law of marriage. 3So then, if she marries another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress, even though she marries another man. 4So, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit to God." Romans 7:1-4

The kingdom of Israel split into two houses - the House of Israel and the the House of Judah. Eventually, the House of Israel was divorced by God because of adultery and idolatry, leaving only the House of Judah still married to Him at the time of Christ's ministry on Earth. Why? Jesus couldnt be an illegitimate child, now could He? So what is the Holy Spirit telling us above in Romans 7? That the House of Judah was released from their marriage covenant to God Himself when He "died" on the cross, so that they might "belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit to God."

The House of Judah was "widowed" in order to remarry. The House of Israel on the other hand, had become illegitimate children - and they could not enter the assembly of the Lord for 10 generations. Seven hundred years had passed (10 generations) by the time of Christ's ministry.

The House of Judah had become steeped in Babylonian religion and intermingled with non Israelites. To still believe that people in the religion of Judaism, who deny Christ Jesus and believe the Babylonian Talmud and Kabala, are "God's chosen people" today is an affront to the Almighty. It is a doctrine of Satan. As you know, God Himself promised to write His laws into the hearts of His Faithful who accepted Christ Jesus as their Messiah, and into the hearts of their descendants, and their descendants....and tragically why those descendants today are flooded with violent tv, violent gaming and sexual immorality in all forms of media, and why they accept legalised abortion, homosexuality and occultism as normal. Satan comes after ISRAEL with a flood, and a flood is false doctrine. And once you realise that the Israel of God is not sitting in the Middle East, you can start to understand why our youngsters have been made to believe that they were created by aliens and that God is a "bigot". Sin hardens the heart and mind, the love of Truth is buried. Most of us know that little voice that says "this isn't right", but once you push through it enough times, that little voice stops telling you "this isn't right". If you grow up hearing that you are no better than an animal that you "evolved from", you take on a belief of the beast and of those who call themselves Jews, but who are not and are really of the Synagogue of Satan.. The Babylonian Talmud states that all "non Jews" are just that - animals. Do you see a connection ?

I'll pray that my words get through - that if you seek the understanding He will show you and lead you to it. I'll also pray that non - believers see a different understanding. Amen



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 05:11 AM
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Originally posted by Lulzaroonie
It is a well known fact that the biblical canon was put together by the Council of Trent, they decided on which books went into the testaments, they decided that the books that are more in following with the others would be kept in, and the Apocryphal books would be removed (because they contained the notion that Jesus had a wife, and children, among other things)

Thank you for at least mentioning the correct council.
However, again, the Bible had already been around in its pretty much accepted from long before that. The Council of Trent simply canonized the accepted Roman Catholic version of the bible. Mainly because Luther had already printed his translation of the Bible. This mean that the RCC had to allow the bible to finally fall into the hands of the common man.

Really the important part of the Bible is the Gospels, and again these had been chosen since back in the days of Bishop Irenaeus:

Biblical Canon: early Church Fathers
A four-gospel canon (the Tetramorph) was asserted by Irenaeus in the following quote: "It is not possible that the gospels can be either more or fewer in number than they are. For, since there are four quarters of the earth in which we live, and four universal winds, while the church is scattered throughout all the world, and the 'pillar and ground' of the church is the gospel and the spirit of life, it is fitting that she should have four pillars breathing out immortality on every side, and vivifying men afresh… Therefore the gospels are in accord with these things… For the living creatures are quadriform and the gospel is quadriform… These things being so, all who destroy the form of the gospel are vain, unlearned, and also audacious; those [I mean] who represent the aspects of the gospel as being either more in number than as aforesaid, or, on the other hand, fewer."

And to be honest the Deuterocanonical, apocryphal, and even some pseudepigraphical books really are not considered bad to read by anyone who does not include them in the bible, but they are simply considered as unnecessary.

The only texts that are considered “bad” would be Gnostic and certain pseudepigraphical works.
There is no Deuterocanonical or apocryphal writings that say that Jesus had a wife, you're talking about Gnostic writings. Gnostic writings were rejected by ALL Christian faiths again dating back to the time of Irenaeus.

After all Irenaeus work,Against Heresies is also know by the name: On the Detection and Overthrow of the So-Called Gnosis.



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 05:11 AM
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I knew i was going to cause a stir. Its what i wanted. I can't help what people believe. But however i can cause them to think about what they're doing and saying. I know they've thought about God and Jesus this night or day. They can't say they haven't. Nomatter their beliefs or religion. Your not always going to be the good and realize that. Its okay with me. It don't me they call me names. They'd probably spit on me if they could. But at least I can be proud of what i accomplished. I definitely did what i set out to do. Yea they called me names in another thread but so what I'll take for Jesus He died for me, He died for us all. Some may deny it but thats their right He still loves them and He's still waiting on them. And He's not going to give up on them they can take that to the bank.



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 05:11 AM
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I knew i was going to cause a stir. Its what i wanted. I can't help what people believe. But however i can cause them to think about what they're doing and saying. I know they've thought about God and Jesus this night or day. They can't say they haven't. Nomatter their beliefs or religion. Your not always going to be the good guy and realize that. Its okay with me. It don't me they call me names. They'd probably spit on me if they could. But at least I can be proud of what i accomplished. I definitely did what i set out to do. Yea they called me names in another thread but so what I'll take for Jesus He died for me, He died for us all. Some may deny it but thats their right He still loves them and He's still waiting on them. And He's not going to give up on them they can take that to the bank.



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 05:19 AM
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Originally posted by outwired
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there is a HUGE difference between religion and accepting God... and god is love.

you do not reject love, I bet... you do not reject God in my opinion... only this tyrannical figure that has been painted in front of you.

your principles are actually the same in a lot of ways to the principles of Jesus in the sense of coming together and caring for one another. You see the traditional concept of God as religion often states it... a tyrannical figure who makes people fight over him. Do not forget that mankind is a growing species and will go through trials and tribulations as it grows so how could anyone have gotten it completely right from the very beginning?... that would simply leave no room to grow and that is life stagnated. sure, I think it could get a lot better and go FORWARD rather than in reverse as it sometimes seems but that is just my hope and faith and if you think that religion causes these issues then that is your take, but do not forget that primitive people without God would have been just as stupid and just as sinful and just as murderous. If they had no religion to fight over, they simply would have found something else to fight over.... because this is mankind we are talking about. religion did not do these things. these horrible things are the actions of MEN. Religion on it's own does nothing. a book of dogma without being read and interpreted by man just lays there on the table... it does nothing. Pardon me saying this but to blame religion for the sins of man is kind of a cop out. On the other hand, you make a great point by showing how varying interpretation of ANY thing causes conflict and can be used for destructive purposes... which is why even though some say that the bible can contain no mistakes, God... or shall we say LOVE (for your sake of understanding) would not have someone close their mind the way some people do. LOVE would not have people fighting over a book the way they do. there is ALWAYS room to have an open mind about these things and not close it up so tightly in fear of not being RELIGIOUS enough. Not being RIGHT enough...and i do agree to be rigidly set in these ideals is just as bad as not believing in anything.

this is why accepting Jesus is accepting LOVE and accepting LOVE is actually accepting Jesus... even if you don't realize that. You may not know Jesus personally, you may have never met him but does that mean that if Jesus came down here right now... would you persecute him? No... not if you accepted LOVE... of course you wouldn't. I don't think you would do that at all. If He is Love, regardless of his name or his past or anything about him but you agreed on this one simple thing... then you accept him. You would be accepting that he, like you, was born into this world and is deserving of Love and acceptance and it's really just as simple as that.

that is not division... that is unity.

This is the entire lesson of the bible... how completely religious people who want to do right, want to BE right... just keep getting it wrong... and no, you DO NOT have to read it to GET IT...and if you read it, many still just don't get it. The people who have fought and killed in the name of Jesus would have done so in the name of some Greek or Roman god if Christianity had not become POPULAR. Men will use anything for an excuse to project their will onto others... and yes, that is division... and that is why i hate to see people who are so rigid in their traditions as Jesus said "beware of the traditions of men"... He actually ARGUED with the bible thumpers of his time if they failed to understand that God is Love.

what interests me most about Christianity even though you call it a religion and a bad thing is that it shows his personal struggle to make people see and i agree with his words. He stood up for people, he stood up to unfairness! it is a great comfort to many people to know that there was a man like this who was divine and much braver than most men for LOVE! i'm terribly sorry that some men must take and hijack everything they see and turn it into something bad and yes, that is division... but look around you at even the propaganda of today and recognize that there is NO THING that evil men will not hijack and use to divide the people.

must we do away with every single story, every single account that anyone has to tell of their life, every good thing, every lesson... just to keep evil from taking it as their own and turning it into something that it never should have been?

if so, we might as well just give up right now.

if you do away with the story of Christ and every other religious story... they will hijack our very dreams, our very thoughts to divide and control us.

Do not be fooled into thinking that an inanimate object such as a book has caused suffering in this world when it is in fact the deeds of MAN.



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 05:25 AM
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Originally posted by Vsc1981
Everybody has different interpretations of the bible. Its extremely common. However you can't take from the bible meaning take words out of it or add to the bible meaning add more words to it. There is to many things mentioned in the bible that point to the times we're living in now. So I'm sticking to my guns. And i believe in our lifetime we will see the wrath of God. Its in my bones i can feel it. I'm not i know the is going to end just that something big is coming and i want to be right when it does. I'm an educated person and I'm fairly smart. I've got more than enough common sense. I didn't start this thread for no reason. I wanted to make a difference and try to do my part. And i honestly don't care what people think about me and my efforts. It all comes with the territory and i more than accept that. So if you want to bash me your not the first obviously. This isn't for fun I'm not sitting here giggling. Otherwise wouldn't waste my time if i didn't think it to be important.


I just want to say, don't you want to be right for the sake of being right and not just because you think the end is near? You should want to be right because you WANT to be right, not because you are afraid to be wrong.

Speaking of being right, if you are not to change any words of the bible, then you must not change the most important part... and that is where Jesus comes in and gets the story straight after an entire book full of fighting over misconceptions of God by these so called religious people.
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posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 05:32 AM
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> Surely I'm not the only who believes that the bible is God's only work.

Actually, the Bible itself quotes portions from OTHER WORKS that are not included in the Bible Canon.

The Bible is NOT the only "Word". It was collected as Canon, a ruler, by which to measure other Words.

TO DENY THAT, and to claim that the Bible is the only Word, is to deny all other Words and revelations!!!

A few Examples:
• Many prophets and prophetesses mentioned in the Bible – some listed by name, some not – do not have ANY of their true prophecies listed in Canon Scripture (by name).
• "Many other things Jesus... taught...", it says in John; these are not included; but were not his words "inspired"??
• Of all the Apostles listed, less than half have a book in the New Testament Canon!! Were none of the things they taught "inspired"??

The Bible was NEVER to replace the Living Word. And,

The Bible was NEVER to replace "every Word that PROCEEDS* out of the mouth of elohim". As it says, "Humankind should not live by bread alone but by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of elohim".
*a present/continuing tense.

In its authoritative form, the Canon was intended to be a ruler by which to measure other Words, and a collection of SOME Words that were given by the elohim. (I am not suggesting additions to the Canon itself.)

"The letter kills. The spirit gives life", etc.

Do right. Love mercy. And Walk humbly with your elohim.
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posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 05:40 AM
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Its going to get bad real soon. I can feel it. I'm been feeling this way for awhile now. There is nothing we can do to stop it. I feel its to big to be stopped. So therefore i feel as if it will be of God's Will. So i figured since i could start my own threads then i would begin my quest. I knew i would get attention with my opening post. Keep people interested enough to keep reading and writing. The bible is all i know. I've come to love it and embrace it. And i won't ever change my position. I couldn't if i wanted to. My heart is Jesus's and so long as i breathe it will stay that way. And so when I'm called i can go home. I just don't understand why if people know that all they have to do is have faith and believe in Jesus they'll go to heaven. Whats so bad about that? Whats so hard to understand about that? It don't take much to love and believe in something. Especially if they already believe in living their life they way they want to.



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 05:51 AM
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Originally posted by WhoKnows100



Good post and great understanding of translations... and i also want to thank you for the correction on who created who as they are not aliens. The bible makes it clear that we were created by God and the ANGELS... and for example the Angel of the Lord who came to Mary and created Jesus himself.

I can't help but to wonder how many people have seen Angels.

If we are in fact, nearing the end of this world, it's written that we are about to be seeing a few, aren't we?
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posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 05:54 AM
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Regretfully, I do not have the time at the moment for as lengthy a reply as you have given me, as I need to be signing off for the evening (or morning if you prefer). However, before I do sign off I just wanted to state that I have not read The DaVinci Code, nor have I seen the film, so this is not where I received this notion.

Yes, of course, the Bible (specifically the New Testament) was in use before Constantine...or at least its teachings were, even if they were not in print. You are indeed correct in saying that the Council did not actually sit down and write out exactly which books were to be accepted into the canon of the New Testament, but they did decide which principles upon Christianity would be based. I do not think that it can really be questioned that, at the very least, Constantine changed Christianity as it was known at the time. While Constantine may not have chosen every book in the New Testament, he did make it clear which of the Gospels he deemed acceptable for inclusion in the Biblical canon: Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. He did so by commissioning fifty (I believe it was) copies of a Christian Bible to be printed including only those four.

So, while the exact content of my previous post may have been flawed, my intention was only to discover if the OP considered these missing texts to also be the "one true word of God", or if said word was only to be found in the Bible that is known at present day.



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 06:15 AM
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Originally posted by Vaehne
However, before I do sign off I just wanted to state that I have not read The DaVinci Code, nor have I seen the film, so this is not where I received this notion.

Wherever you got it from, its original source is the DaVinci Code.


Originally posted by Vaehne
You are indeed correct in saying that the Council did not actually sit down and write out exactly which books were to be accepted into the canon of the New Testament, but they did decide which principles upon Christianity would be based. I do not think that it can really be questioned that, at the very least, Constantine changed Christianity as it was known at the time. While Constantine may not have chosen every book in the New Testament, he did make it clear which of the Gospels he deemed acceptable for inclusion in the Biblical canon: Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. He did so by commissioning fifty (I believe it was) copies of a Christian Bible to be printed including only those four.

Again, this also has nothing to do with Constitine and dates back to Irenaeus.

Biblical Canon: early Church Fathers
A four-gospel canon (the Tetramorph) was asserted by Irenaeus in the following quote: "It is not possible that the gospels can be either more or fewer in number than they are. For, since there are four quarters of the earth in which we live, and four universal winds, while the church is scattered throughout all the world, and the 'pillar and ground' of the church is the gospel and the spirit of life, it is fitting that she should have four pillars breathing out immortality on every side, and vivifying men afresh… Therefore the gospels are in accord with these things… For the living creatures are quadriform and the gospel is quadriform… These things being so, all who destroy the form of the gospel are vain, unlearned, and also audacious; those [I mean] who represent the aspects of the gospel as being either more in number than as aforesaid, or, on the other hand, fewer."

The only significant Doctrinal issue to come from the Council of Nicaea is that God and Christ were the same, and Christ was not some lesser creation of God.



posted on Mar, 13 2012 @ 06:32 AM
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speaking of lesser creations, how ironic that mere men would not recognize a God and have the audacity to hang him on a cross as even less than most men.

Maybe men are just blind... oh wait, that's not the first time this has been mentioned.





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